It's probably the mods. Some mods are a lot more unstable than others. I've got at least a hundred mods for Morrowind, so I'd know, heh...
Why are Bethesda games so unstable?
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Wouldn't it be awesome if they remade their games on the Crytech engine? Its more demanding but looks better and is more stable.Rawne1980 said:
It depends on the mods really, I've had bad experiences with them before (in fact, aside from a few exceptions, I've had nothing but bad experiences). I don't think it's fair to rage on Bethesda over the game being unstable with mods, particularly when you're using a bunch of them and mods have a habit of going tits up when used next to other mods. Some are incompatible with others and seeing as you're saying further on that you're using a number of them from the "must have" section, I'm guessing some of them just don't work too well with others.SacremPyrobolum said:
Well they cram them full with content and don't check enough wether it's stable or not. Doesn't matter though get some community patches and you'll be good to go.
I thought this would be heading for "why are Bethesda games rife with horrible scripting?" in the sense that items randomly disappear, characters sometimes randomly disappear, sometimes speech options won't appear, etc etc. There are always glitches galore, and it makes for terrible gaming in the console versions because there is no console with which to spawn an item if it disappears or is never given to you. One of the guilds in Oblivion will forever be impossible to complete on one of my save files because a certain key was not given to me when it should have, and one of my friends couldn't complete the Mage's guild because the final boss glitched up and became impossible to defeat. That is, he was impossible to hit, period. Spells went clean through him no matter what.
This kind of stuff needs fixing for Skyrim.
This kind of stuff needs fixing for Skyrim.
The main problem is the number of things that have to work correctly at the correct time and at the correct place. In a game where every single NPC has their own schedule for each day, getting that to work isn't easy.
Because Bethesda puts it's time into making the best games. Some games have wonderful engines and are total shit. I would rather have a game that crashes every three hours than a game that runs perfectly and is boring and just generally not fun....fuck I'm tired.
Im guessing its a mix of them using a self and heavily modified version of game-bro, (now they have their own engine \o/) the size of the gameworld, considering it take around 4 years to make and is soooo huge, even with bug testing things will be missed, and they have to get it out eventually, they do need to make some money after all
For one New Vegas is made by Obsidian sure it uses Bethesda's engine but most of the problems were due to poor bug testing by Obsidian.
Also Oblivion was the first use of the new engine so it was bound to have problems and over all its not to bad considering what a technological leap it was when it first came out.
Fallout 3 was much stabler and used the same Gamebryo engine the Oblivion did and New Vegas would use.
You also have to consider these are massive open world RPG's with tonnes of interlinked elements unlike Linier games like say the Witcher 2 which loads one large area at a time and once you have completed the story elements in that town you move on to the next large area. Bethesda game have to cope with the player being potentially almost anywhere in the world at any-time on any of the quests which raises the possibility for bugs.
Also Oblivion was the first use of the new engine so it was bound to have problems and over all its not to bad considering what a technological leap it was when it first came out.
Fallout 3 was much stabler and used the same Gamebryo engine the Oblivion did and New Vegas would use.
You also have to consider these are massive open world RPG's with tonnes of interlinked elements unlike Linier games like say the Witcher 2 which loads one large area at a time and once you have completed the story elements in that town you move on to the next large area. Bethesda game have to cope with the player being potentially almost anywhere in the world at any-time on any of the quests which raises the possibility for bugs.
I would say mods always make something more unstable.
However that said, I don't actually like how an unmodded version of Oblivion WILL start crashing after a period if you used cheats early on, and there seems to be no fix.
In the end, probably a much bigger world and amount of data that can go corrupt.
Human Revolution was pretty pathetic in my eyes for that as it didn't really let you go back anywhere. Oh well, at least it saved the locations of the dropped weapons (however the bodies disappeared mysteriously).
However that said, I don't actually like how an unmodded version of Oblivion WILL start crashing after a period if you used cheats early on, and there seems to be no fix.
In the end, probably a much bigger world and amount of data that can go corrupt.
Human Revolution was pretty pathetic in my eyes for that as it didn't really let you go back anywhere. Oh well, at least it saved the locations of the dropped weapons (however the bodies disappeared mysteriously).
Because they have been using the same bug ridden game engine since about 2003, hopefully these bugs will be gone in Skyrim, since for the first time in years, Bethesda has decided to make a new game engine.
Bethesda did the bug testing and QA for New Vegas.obex said:
Edit: Unrelated, but Skyrim isn't using a new engine. It's just a polished up Gamebryo, so I wouldn't be surprised if much of the problems remain.
The brilliant part of all this is an amazing glitch I encountered at EuroGamer just yesterday. An Immersion breaker for me. As I walked into the first village I saw people that were supposed to be tied to their spot (since they were animated to pick something up). You remember in the 3part gameplay demo of Oblivion, in the first video there's that guy who picks up logs? Yeah, he was at the other side of the small wood works doing the same animation, everything floating magically into spot.
I bet they tweaked that gameplay to fuck for the demo so it wouldn't bug and just my like it bugs on me.
I know it's petty but it's still something that'll kill my immersion in this "expansive world", if it does end up doing exactly the same as Oblivion I'll probably kill a few people.
I bet they tweaked that gameplay to fuck for the demo so it wouldn't bug and just my like it bugs on me.
I know it's petty but it's still something that'll kill my immersion in this "expansive world", if it does end up doing exactly the same as Oblivion I'll probably kill a few people.
The engine itself allows for an incredible level of openness. There's a great deal of complexity inherent in gamebryo.
This comes at a price, though. At such levels of complexity, sometimes things become unstable.
Obsidian's quality control (bug testing) likely isn't as rigorous as Bethesda, leading to a less stable fallout. Whether Obsidian is incompetent, lazy, or simply lack the time or budget to completely bug proof their game is anyone's guess.
Luckily, the Skyrim engine is coming. ANd you can bet your sweet ass, that a Fallout made with that, will blow your mind.
Unless the Skyrim engine is just as wonky. But Bethesda knows better, right?
This comes at a price, though. At such levels of complexity, sometimes things become unstable.
Obsidian's quality control (bug testing) likely isn't as rigorous as Bethesda, leading to a less stable fallout. Whether Obsidian is incompetent, lazy, or simply lack the time or budget to completely bug proof their game is anyone's guess.
Luckily, the Skyrim engine is coming. ANd you can bet your sweet ass, that a Fallout made with that, will blow your mind.
Unless the Skyrim engine is just as wonky. But Bethesda knows better, right?