Yeah, now that I'm looking into it a bit more, I can't find any official word that the engine still used their old Gamebryo code. My bad.NightmareLuna said:
Why are Bethesda games so unstable?
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Well, there has been official word from Pete Hines' Twitter and about a dozen articles that it is a new engine. As in new code.AlternatePFG said:
Because Bethesda is probably one of the SINGLE MOST overhyped, overpraised, and overrated dev team in the history of the medium. They're the very definition of "hack". They aren't progressive, they don't do anything special, they don't know how to program or make a decent, stable game, they can't design levels to save their lives, their writing is just bad, and so forth.
They have a lot of other problems besides an unstable game engine. I really hope that they launch a game that universally makes people realize how worthless they are someday. But no. All people will do is sit around and make excuses for the terrible quality of their games and continue to buy them. Alas...
They have a lot of other problems besides an unstable game engine. I really hope that they launch a game that universally makes people realize how worthless they are someday. But no. All people will do is sit around and make excuses for the terrible quality of their games and continue to buy them. Alas...
If yer modding and shit is blowing up in yer face make sure you're loading them in the proper order. Use OBMM or FOMM with BOSS and you'll be as unstable as can be. Also, READ THE READMEs for mods. If you use Electro-City with NVSkies there is a certain way to do it without it spazzing.
OT, you don't get it.
You're not supposed to install the game you bought. You're supposed to buy it to have the right to play it. Than you download a cracked version and you install that one.
Hackers know more than Bethesda.
(either that or they don't have a marketing department)
You're not supposed to install the game you bought. You're supposed to buy it to have the right to play it. Than you download a cracked version and you install that one.
Hackers know more than Bethesda.
(either that or they don't have a marketing department)
I don't think that's completely fair.Stall said:
Their games are just as buggy as Obsidian games, but without the generally good writing the RPG elements that allow for more variability. That said, I still generally enjoy Bethesda games. They suck at story and characterization, but they make worlds that I genuinely enjoy to explore. I'm not even a gamer who puts exploration high on his checklist, so that's an accomplishment.
What really is not fair, though, is people's treatment of Obsidian compared to Bethesda. If you write off Obsidian based on stability issues and then praise Bethesda, you're either coming from a place of ignorance or dishonesty.
Think you hit the nail no the head with this. I've never had a single crash in oblivion and I've put a disgusting amount of hours into it. My friend has never had a single crash on any Fallout game(I don't play fallout). I always wondered why, and I think this is the best explanation I've heard. We don't use mods.Vrach said:
Exactly. As RPGs go, theirs are some of the most open, which of course leaves more variables for things to go wrong.Chezza said:
In any case, I've found the console versions to contain little to none of the problems complained about by those playing them on the PC. They can't be modded, but a lot of the complaints tend to be about the games in general.
It's a little on the harsh side, but putting a little more edge on something can help get the point across.DustyDrB said:
The problem with Bethesda is that their projects are really very narrow in scope when you get down to it. The game world itself might be huge, but what else do they really do besides that? They've never really been known for pushing the boundaries of RPGs (their games are pretty much mirrors of what is popular in the genre at the time), nor have they really had any impressive writing in their games either. Yet, their games are extraordinarily buggy. It's not so much that huge games worlds HAVE to be buggy: just look at some of Rockstar's efforts. I think people just heap too much praise on Bethesda without enough criticism, and it has made Bethesda realize they can release these horrible, buggy games with virtually no repercussion. If any other dev released games in the state that Bethesda does, then they would get eviscerated.
And I agree with what you said about Obsidian. Obsidian seems to want to make these really impressive, well written games, but they just fall short somewhere along the line. They've got a little more scope to their projects than Bethesda. If there is any developer where we should give them some leniency about bugs in their project (which we really shouldn't), then it should be Obsidian instead of Bethesda.
I am assuming that the same team who worked on Morrowind and Oblivion were responsible at least partly for the creation of the F3 and FNV. I don't care how big or small you are, that team should be triple AFelixG said:SacremPyrobolum said:
Just because they are BIG doesnt mean they are GOOD
Just look at EA! And the abomination that should have been an abortion that is Command and Conquer 4!
Sadly that mod did nothing to stop the core game from crashing on me every 20-45 minutes.Rawne1980 said:
You know, I have downloaded Midas Magic but could never get past the first part.ZeroMachine said:I have a massively modded Oblivion and it rarely crashes. Do you have all of the unofficial patches installed? Have you used a mod sorter like BOSS?SacremPyrobolum said:
... Have you downloaded Midas Magic? Because you should. That's pretty unrelated to the crashing, but it's awesome. So are the Gates to Aesgard mods
Ehem... anyways.
To answer your question, it's because the games are so fucking huge. There are an infinite amount of things that could cause clashes.
For one thing: Mods are independently made, and there is never any guarantee about quality. Stainless steel happens to be a really well done example, and is above the run of the mill mods you typically find.SacremPyrobolum said:
The major problem is you're comparing Fallout 3 (New Vegas is Obsidian, btw) and Oblivion to Deus Ex, the Witcher, and Total War. Out of these, the Bethesda titles are always going to be the least stable because they offer more freedom. The problem gets 10X worse when you add in random mods.
Basically it works like this. Bugs/glitches/etc occur when elements of the game interact in an unusual way. With a game like Deus Ex, which features smaller levels, it's fairly easy to test most of the elements with each other.
Then take Oblivion. A map (I think) 12 square miles large, with over 300 interior cells, a near infinite number of combinations of skills, equipment, race, etc. A literally infinite number of spells (farewell spellmaking in Skyrim, we hardly knew ye..) and potions and enchantments, and the list goes on.
So why are Bethesda games so buggy? Because it is literally impossible to test everything before launch. The team could spend a year on bug testing and still probably miss some just because of the vast number of elements in the game. No one else makes games like Bethesda, and when they try, New Vegas is the result.
Some one brought up Risen, However:
The map is smaller, and there are less than half as many interior locations.
You have one race, gender, and appearance.
Only a handful of weapons, armors and spells.
Fewer potion recipes.
Fewer skills.
And you know what? It was still buggy.
Bugs are, sadly, the price you have to be willing to pay for these types of games, and really and honestly, mod at your own risk.
Simply put, they're unstable because Bethesda has a high tolerance for random crashes. The open world focus puts more opportunities for them to crop up, but the fact that they're not fixed is a problem with the company's QA.
It's not impossible. It's just something that the company has determined to not be worth the effort to fix.
To compare with another company being mentioned here, Obsidian is better about its crashes but frequently seems to bite off more than it can chew as far as scripting and writing complexity goes, and often leaves a number of its elements without sufficient testing. Part of that is undoubtedly that they, unlike Bethesda or Blizzard, don't have the pedigree to convince the division/company publishing to push up the release deadline to polish the game more before release, but it's happened often enough (see Alpha Protocol) that points towards a fundamental problem with the company. That's something I'm quite unhappy about as they seem to be one of the few developers out there willing to put out intriguing writing, but oh well.
It's not impossible. It's just something that the company has determined to not be worth the effort to fix.
To compare with another company being mentioned here, Obsidian is better about its crashes but frequently seems to bite off more than it can chew as far as scripting and writing complexity goes, and often leaves a number of its elements without sufficient testing. Part of that is undoubtedly that they, unlike Bethesda or Blizzard, don't have the pedigree to convince the division/company publishing to push up the release deadline to polish the game more before release, but it's happened often enough (see Alpha Protocol) that points towards a fundamental problem with the company. That's something I'm quite unhappy about as they seem to be one of the few developers out there willing to put out intriguing writing, but oh well.