Tbh that burger sounds just fine, would eat it. It's weird to call it vegan even in part, probably should just get used to calling it plant based because a half vegan burger is silly as a concept
Why are people so dumb about veganism?
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The only thing it proves is that middle class suburbanites shouldn't treat Mount Everest like some kind of fun holiday destination they can just go to carelessly and without preparations. The population of the Himalayas have years of life experience in mountainous terrain and exposure to high altitudes. Someone living at the sea line going up there thinking it's just a quick climb for a great selfie-spot are the living incarnation of hubrisHawki said:
To me it's kind of an insult to the ingredient you're making the burger out of that you can't enjoy it as whatever it is (is it tofu again? legit not sure what they make the fake burgers out of lol) but have to mould it into the shape of a burger and artificially twist it around to be kinda sorta like a burger. In the end it's still not a burger, it's a burger-like something else. You'd prolly enjoy it more if it was cooked like it was intended to be cooked.JoJo said:
Also, have you tried the korean-style lettuce burgers where they don't use bread at all and use a large leaf of lettuce instead? Those are pretty great.
`I think in the quest for variety what ends up happening is that ingredients which actually could provide a variety of flavors and textures get bogged down into mimicking the 5-10 or so mainstream popular things instead that everyone already knows and is comfortable with. How many non-chinese vegans have even tried mabo tofu do you think? And this would be people eating tofu every day of their lives and some of them even go on to base their identity around it.
It's quite the shame.
The shape and format of a burger-- patty, burger bun, classic burger condiments-- are really great, though. Why miss out on those because the patty shape is supposedly reserved for meat? And if you've got all those things, then calling it anything except a veggie burger is just confusing.Dreiko said:
I'm veggie, but I loved the taste and texture of meat. Welcome anything that approximates it (just as I welcome stuff that doesn't try to approximate it). More options.
If it isn't the same shape as a traditional meat burger, it won't fit in the bun correctly. Meat substitutes make it easier for people who've grown up in a meat-eating world to make the jump to not eating meat.Dreiko said:
More generally, you can get B12 from Monster energy drinks.
My feelings towards vegans... Just don't shove your ideals down my throat and go out of your way to make me feel bad for my choices and we're good. Do your thing, I'll do mine.
I tried a vegan poutine once. Dunno what kind of gravy it was, but the vegan cheese curds were... a bit of a disgrace, honestly. Couldn't bring it in me to tell the guy I wasn't a fan of it though. I just ate it all and said thanks, then never went backvallorn said:
You can pretty much guarantee that comments on a news article even touching on vegetarianism, let alone veganism, will have far more comments from people angry with vegans than comments from vegans. Mostly written by red-faced splutterers with big ham fingers.
Have yet to meet a vegan or vegetarian who was aggressive with their lifestyle choice towards me. But then I don't go looking for it either. Haven't met anyone who use it as a pillar of their identity also.
What is annoying are meat eaters getting all funny about an innocent bit of cannibalism. Fecking hypocrites. Do they source any of their meat from willing participants suffering inoperable stage 4 glioblastoma, seeking peaceful euthanasia? I thought not. So until your meat consents, jog on, moral arbiters!
What is annoying are meat eaters getting all funny about an innocent bit of cannibalism. Fecking hypocrites. Do they source any of their meat from willing participants suffering inoperable stage 4 glioblastoma, seeking peaceful euthanasia? I thought not. So until your meat consents, jog on, moral arbiters!
But no, I covered that above. Make a falafel patty or something. Or a potato one, or a mushroom one. You can do things that are meant to be eaten with stuff in the same style a burger is. I was watching this really cool indian cooking show and in one part they went to an indian burger chain place and because a lot of Hindu are vegetarians they had these really cool and spicy potato burgers.Silvanus said:
You can do stuff that's both delicious and is honoring the things you're making the food out of, no need to disrespect the vegetables by having them pretend to be meat or compared to meat or add things to them that makes them taste like meat instead of what they're actually supposed to taste like.
Like I said, you can make food without meat and it can be delicious, it's all about how you cook it.
In the off-chance this ain't a joke...dude, vegetables or any other ingredient don't have any concept of honour or feelings to hurt. People make food into shapes of many things. What about alphabet spaghetti and potato smiley faces? What are they insulting?Dreiko said:
Yes, you can. Why not also make one from mycoprotein (as most veggie burgers are)?Dreiko said:
The whole idea of "honour" or "disrespect" seems a bit absurd when we're talking about proteins and plants. Do what tastes good, and I like mycoprotein patties.
It's fine. I'm not vegan, but I don't care if something or someone is vegan.Neurotic Void Melody said:
Most of the examples I know are also massive losers and insufferable pricks in general, and possibly only act that way because it's their only recourse for feeling superior to others.
I'm assuming they are basically like the counterparts to those aforementioned losers/pricks from the opposite of the spectrum.
Then you're just the average normal person. I don't like the killing of animals either. I just don't think that's ever gonna stop and me not eating them isn't going to make them not die so if they're dying either way, might as well enjoy my steak.Baffle2 said:
Respecting your ingredient is a focal point with regards to growing food or cooking it. Plant or animal, it is something that's giving up its life for you to eat it, so the least you can do is treat it appropriately.Silvanus said:
Mushrooms are great, you're having a mushroom burger, not a hamburger. Mushrooms are literally my favorite single ingredient on this planet actually. Matsutake are just amazing and the broth of dried shiitake is almost a nostalgic flavor and aroma to me (this shark fin soup I grew up on had a ton of them in it).
You can even make a tea/coffee-like drink from a certain type of mushroom that grows on tree bark. It has a woody texture and you grind it into a powder and then make the tea.
They don't really need to be marketed as a substitute to meat, not one bit. They're already good enough just being mushrooms.
Realistically, if you're going to eat the meat, the killing of the animals actually doesn't bother you that much - you've prioritized eating the animal over the animal being alive. That's fine if you're happy with that, but that does touch on why people get angry with vegans -- meat-eaters know that what they eat causes pain and suffering, and the existence of vegans just highlights that it isn't necessary, even if they don't say a word.Dreiko said:
As it goes, the animal wouldn't just die either way: The less meat people eat, the fewer animals are killed to provide that meat. It's just supply and demand. For farming, the animal just wouldn't be bred at all, which is preferable to being bred for a short and suffering life (I know not all farming is like this, but enough of it is that I wouldn't want to feel I was part of that).
It's not "giving up its life". Mycoprotein has no awareness on that level and no decision-making process.Dreiko said:
You just used the term burger-- I thought your entire point was that we shouldn't make burgers from non-animal sources and call them burgers?
Indeed, and calling something a "burger" is not marketing as a meat substitute.
But even so, why not? For those of us who love the taste of meat, why not try to get something close which fits into our morality?
Baffle2 said:
In the current economic reality, there's a surplus of people wanting to eat meat and not enough meat, not an over-abundance of meat with not enough people eating it. Hence, if some people don't eat meat, it'll just become cheaper and the ones who wanted to it it but were not yet able to afford it will start eating it.
If you could just stop the eating of meat with a single press of a button then I'd go for it but in this system where people are barely able to eat anything in a lot of places, you're not going to be ending meat consumption through personal abstaining. It's like trying to stop global warming by only taking cold showers and not turning on the lights at night. You're not really doing anything that makes a difference beyond just a hollow morality statement. I prefer being honest and hefting the responsibility rather than trying to wash my hands clean from it through a statement that's not really affecting anything.
Humanity evolved this way because it killed and ate other animals for thousands of years. That's not gonna change one bit even if the current generation decides it's evil and stops doing it. They still benefit from all those deaths by merely being born in a society prosperous enough where they can cultivate mushrooms that have the texture of meat and enough of it to make it affordable for people to eat just that and no real meat.