Why are people treating James Gunn as if he is some "talented director"?

[elvor0]

1. The Hobbit movies awesome and at times it was extremely faithful to the source I mean the first scene when Bilbo first made Gandalf was straight right out of the books.

If that isn't an april fools, them's fighting words.

"at times it was faithful" Yeah...maybe just that first scene. Hyperbole aside, The Hobbit movies were a horrendous cacophony of bloat, poor cgi, misguided alterations, frivolous side plots, anachronistic bollocks, false tension, tiring action sequences and style over substance movie making stretched over 9 draining hours.

The Hobbit movies are literally Jacksons Lucas Prequels, upto and including the crummy love plot.

 

[Fappy]

I think James Gunn deserves more praise as being someone who understands comedy. I mean watch Humanzee or the series Pg Porn that he made they are hilarious.

Damn, got ninja'd!

Yeah, his PG Porn series is great. He's got a real knack for comedy, which is what made GotG work so well imo.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

1. The Hobbit movies awesome and at times it was extremely faithful to the source I mean the first scene when Bilbo first made Gandalf was straight right out of the books.

If that isn't an april fools, them's fighting words.

"at times it was faithful" Yeah...maybe just that first scene. Hyperbole aside, The Hobbit movies were a horrendous cacophony of bloat, poor cgi, misguided alterations, frivolous side plots, anachronistic bollocks, false tension, tiring action sequences and style over substance movie making stretched over 9 draining hours.

The Hobbit movies are literally Jacksons Lucas Prequels, upto and including the crummy love plot.

1. Bloat that was referenced in the bigger Tolkein universe. With the obvious exception of that Elf chick.

2. Poor CGI? POOR CGI!!! The Dwarves Beards is were CGI'd and I was completely fooled into thinking they were real. And Peter Jackson makes CGI better then most production companies WETA digital > ILM.

3. Frivilous Side Plots, again stuff that was in Tolkein's bigger universe.

4. Anachronistic Bollocks. I have no idea what Anachronisitc means.

5. False Tension...... Next Question.

6. Tiring Action Sequences, then you must be easily bored because I found the action excitiing and badass. Seeing Thorin charging towards in Army of Orcs saying "DU BEKAR!!!" Always gets me

7. Oh and people can sit through watching the extended cut of Lord of the Rings without getting Tired? At least this movie did not have boring scenes like Treebeard.

And how dare you compare this to George Lucas. The acting in this movie in perticular blows the Prequals out of the water.

 

[Zhukov]

Because he made a film based on a comic that is better than any DC comic film that has ever been or will ever be made.

They should give whoever is currently directing Suicide Squad the boot and hand it to Gunn. Completely reboot the production if necessary, crippling costs be damned!

...

Huh. Y'know, I typed that as a friendly dig, but now that I think about it he would have been fucking perfect for a Suicide Squad movie. And this is coming from someone who was only lukewarm towards Guardians.

 

[hermes]

I think the comparison with Raimi and Jackson is not uncalled for.

As them, Gunn started getting into movies through B-list horror movies (charming but low budget), which helped cement his career as a niche favorite. He is, quite simply, part of the newest generation of movie makers the broke through into the mainstream (the previous great generation being the one of Lucas, Spielberg, etc), and he is one of the people that seems to kept his personal touch and sensibilities after breaking through.

Whether you are fond of his movies or not, you have to admit the public love stories of underdogs that endure and succeed after been given the chance on the big leagues.

 

[RedDeadFred]

His 3 full movie credits ranged from mediocre to pretty damn good so I guess the answer to your question would be: because he is.

We get it, you didn't like GotG. Apparently critics and audiences did. That's just how it goes sometimes. You're free to call him an untalented direction if you want, but don't be surprised when people don't agree with you.

 

[elvor0]

1. The Hobbit movies awesome and at times it was extremely faithful to the source I mean the first scene when Bilbo first made Gandalf was straight right out of the books.

If that isn't an april fools, them's fighting words.

"at times it was faithful" Yeah...maybe just that first scene. Hyperbole aside, The Hobbit movies were a horrendous cacophony of bloat, poor cgi, misguided alterations, frivolous side plots, anachronistic bollocks, false tension, tiring action sequences and style over substance movie making stretched over 9 draining hours.

The Hobbit movies are literally Jacksons Lucas Prequels, upto and including the crummy love plot.

1. Bloat that was referenced in the bigger Tolkein universe. With the obvious exception of that Elf chick.

2. Poor CGI? POOR CGI!!! The Dwarves Beards is were CGI'd and I was completely fooled into thinking they were real. And Peter Jackson makes CGI better then most production companies WETA digital > ILM.

3. Frivilous Side Plots, again stuff that was in Tolkein's bigger universe.

4. Anachronistic Bollocks. I have no idea what Anachronisitc means.

5. False Tension...... Next Question.

6. Tiring Action Sequences, then you must be easily bored because I found the action excitiing and badass. Seeing Thorin charging towards in Army of Orcs saying "DU BEKAR!!!" Always gets me

7. Oh and people can sit through watching the extended cut of Lord of the Rings without getting Tired? At least this movie did not have boring scenes like Treebeard.

And how dare you compare this to George Lucas. The acting in this movie in perticular blows the Prequals out of the water.

1. Some of it was, most of it wasn't. And even with the events that are written by Tolkien, they still make the films bloated, /especially/ when paired with a load of stuff that never happened, even in ancillary material. Most of the stuff with the necromancer is completely reshuffled and redistributed thus making the wizards look dense as fuck and Galadriel unfeasible powerful.

The Hobbit is a very tightly paced book, clocking in at a mere 300 pages, its a book I would recommend everyone should read in their life because its more or less flawless. Attempting to suddenly cram all this extra bollocks that most of the time doesn't mesh well or outright screws with itself totally ruins the pacing and narrative structure.

2. Poor CGI in that it all feels weightless and green screeny as hell,. Fuck this scene in particular(excuse the sound). This scene actually offends me it's so bad.


Ian McKellan actually wept at the appalling amount of Green Screen present in The Hobbit.

3.No, there was no side plot with discount Griemar Wormtongue in Lake town, nor all that stuff with Bard, nor with Keili and the Elf Chick. Nor with Legolas beyond him /maybe/ having been present in the Elven Kings hall. Nor with the Dwarves splitting up in Laketown, nor with dying Keili and Kingsfoil, nor with Beorn chasing them through the woods, which makes the next scene not make sense, Nor with that stupid chase through the mines with video game set pieces from Smaug, Nor with the Orcs, nor with Azog, which leads me on to my next point....

4.Anachronistic Bollocks: In the wrong time. Azog should be dead, having had his head removed by D?in in the battle Thorin is wrongly depicted as having removed his arm. Legolas just warps the space time continnium

5, 6. The tension is false, because the orcs are constantly persuing them, yet nothing EVER comes of it, thus causing tiresome action sequences, with people CONSTANTLY being fucking saved at the last second, again removing tension. It's bad cinematography with no pay off to most of the action sequences.All that bollocks with Discount Wormtongue and Bard is a complete waste of time despite its attempts to provide tension because nothing happens as a result.

The action sequences just go on and on and on, with poor cinematography, boring fight choreography, inconsistent choreography, where some moments is grounded, and then suddenly turns into anime physics and back again. There's more to action scenes than just lobbing explosive chaotic messes around and calling it entertainment. The CGI armies, while necessary, bleed into each other constantly. Rather than being a part of the scene, they just exist and not enough effort was made to breath life into them, nor differentiate them properly from each other.

7. Yeah, I can watch the LOTR extended cut because I find it engaging, but not The Hobbit. Whats your point?

EDIT: Watch out for the edits.

 

[Ihateregistering1]

Screenwriting and directing aren't the same thing.

Slither was almost universally liked, and Super was pretty well-reviewed.

Guardians of the Galaxy was a major accomplishment. It took a fairly unknown Marvel property (unlike Spiderman, The Hulk, X-Men, etc) starring a talking raccoon and a living tree, with the first action outing by the guy known for playing the fat goofy dude in 'Parks and Rec', and became a box office mega-hit.

 

[ThreeName]

Like as if he was the next Quintin Tarantino

is now treated like the next Christopher Nolan?

Ironically, both directors who have made exactly one good movie each. Amazing. It's like poetry, it rhymes.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

1. The Hobbit movies awesome and at times it was extremely faithful to the source I mean the first scene when Bilbo first made Gandalf was straight right out of the books.

If that isn't an april fools, them's fighting words.

"at times it was faithful" Yeah...maybe just that first scene. Hyperbole aside, The Hobbit movies were a horrendous cacophony of bloat, poor cgi, misguided alterations, frivolous side plots, anachronistic bollocks, false tension, tiring action sequences and style over substance movie making stretched over 9 draining hours.

The Hobbit movies are literally Jacksons Lucas Prequels, upto and including the crummy love plot.

1. Bloat that was referenced in the bigger Tolkein universe. With the obvious exception of that Elf chick.

2. Poor CGI? POOR CGI!!! The Dwarves Beards is were CGI'd and I was completely fooled into thinking they were real. And Peter Jackson makes CGI better then most production companies WETA digital > ILM.

3. Frivilous Side Plots, again stuff that was in Tolkein's bigger universe.

4. Anachronistic Bollocks. I have no idea what Anachronisitc means.

5. False Tension...... Next Question.

6. Tiring Action Sequences, then you must be easily bored because I found the action excitiing and badass. Seeing Thorin charging towards in Army of Orcs saying "DU BEKAR!!!" Always gets me

7. Oh and people can sit through watching the extended cut of Lord of the Rings without getting Tired? At least this movie did not have boring scenes like Treebeard.

And how dare you compare this to George Lucas. The acting in this movie in perticular blows the Prequals out of the water.

1. Some of it was, most of it wasn't. And even with the events that are written by Tolkien, they still make the films bloated, /especially/ when paired with a load of stuff that never happened, even in ancillary material. Most of the stuff with the necromancer is completely reshuffled and redistributed thus making the wizards look dense as fuck and Galadriel unfeasible powerful.

The Hobbit is a very tightly paced book, clocking in at a mere 300 pages, its a book I would recommend everyone should read in their life because its more or less flawless. Attempting to suddenly cram all this extra bollocks that most of the time doesn't mesh well or outright screws with itself totally ruins the pacing and narrative structure.

2. Poor CGI in that it all feels weightless and green screeny as hell,. Fuck this scene in particular(excuse the sound). This scene actually offends me it's so bad.


Ian McKellan actually wept at the appalling amount of Green Screen present in The Hobbit.

3.No, there was no side plot with discount Griemar Wormtongue in Lake town, nor all that stuff with Bard, nor with Keili and the Elf Chick. Nor with Legolas beyond him /maybe/ having been present in the Elven Kings hall. Nor with the Dwarves splitting up in Laketown, nor with dying Keili and Kingsfoil, nor with Beorn chasing them through the woods, which makes the next scene not make sense, Nor with that stupid chase through the mines with video game set pieces from Smaug, Nor with the Orcs, nor with Azog, which leads me on to my next point....

4.Anachronistic Bollocks: In the wrong time. Azog should be dead, having had his head removed by D?in in the battle Thorin is wrongly depicted as having removed his arm. Legolas just warps the space time continnium

5, 6. The tension is false, because the orcs are constantly persuing them, yet nothing EVER comes of it, thus causing tiresome action sequences, with people CONSTANTLY being fucking saved at the last second, again removing tension. It's bad cinematography with no pay off to most of the action sequences.All that bollocks with Discount Wormtongue and Bard is a complete waste of time despite its attempts to provide tension because nothing happens as a result.

The action sequences just go on and on and on, with poor cinematography, boring fight choreography, inconsistent choreography, where some moments is grounded, and then suddenly turns into anime physics and back again. There's more to action scenes than just lobbing explosive chaotic messes around and calling it entertainment. The CGI armies, while necessary, bleed into each other constantly. Rather than being a part of the scene, they just exist and not enough effort was made to breath life into them, nor differentiate them properly from each other.

7. Yeah, I can watch the LOTR extended cut because I find it engaging, but not The Hobbit. Whats your point?

EDIT: Watch out for the edits.

Oh and Lord of the Rings had such brilliant choreography:

https://youtu.be/kyevhryWKHk?t=79

CGI has been a huge improvement from the CGI of some of the CGI of Lord of the Rings, I mean have you seen the Wargs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3GFYKIwJ9Y

And your upset about Legolas running on rocks? Where were you when Legolas singlehandedly killed an elephant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDVnl2-_66E

 

[Antonio Torrente]

Sam I gotta to ask you something, what is wrong with you? Are you being paid by Warner/DC to shit on Marvel/Disney?
This is a serious question, you sound like a bitter person and for some reason you sound like Marvel violated you in a personal level.

Because every week, I see you comment negatively (i.e. finding negativity in just about everything Marvel) on threads that has a positive reaction to the MCU.

Also why is it that being joyous is childish and stupid? Isn't that what most comicbook fans hate about the 90's? CBs being brooding, grimdark and with lots of angst. And somehow is a champion of the trope Silly Rabbit Idealism Is For Kids.

It makes me wonder what your childhood is like.

I gonna be the first to admit that I am huge Marvel fan but I won't go to the lengths you are doing because in the long run it's tiring and not worth fighting over.

My life is already full of shit and negativity so why would I go to a movie or read something that will add to that negativity?

But then again this is the internet and we have that power that we can say whatever we want without repercussion.

P.S. Yeah I sounded like a conspiracy nutjob, time to put on my tinfoil hat.

 

[WonkyWarmaiden]

1. The Hobbit movies awesome and at times it was extremely faithful to the source I mean the first scene when Bilbo first made Gandalf was straight right out of the books.

If that isn't an april fools, them's fighting words.

"at times it was faithful" Yeah...maybe just that first scene. Hyperbole aside, The Hobbit movies were a horrendous cacophony of bloat, poor cgi, misguided alterations, frivolous side plots, anachronistic bollocks, false tension, tiring action sequences and style over substance movie making stretched over 9 draining hours.

The Hobbit movies are literally Jacksons Lucas Prequels, upto and including the crummy love plot.

1. Bloat that was referenced in the bigger Tolkein universe. With the obvious exception of that Elf chick.

2. Poor CGI? POOR CGI!!! The Dwarves Beards is were CGI'd and I was completely fooled into thinking they were real. And Peter Jackson makes CGI better then most production companies WETA digital > ILM.

3. Frivilous Side Plots, again stuff that was in Tolkein's bigger universe.

4. Anachronistic Bollocks. I have no idea what Anachronisitc means.

5. False Tension...... Next Question.

6. Tiring Action Sequences, then you must be easily bored because I found the action excitiing and badass. Seeing Thorin charging towards in Army of Orcs saying "DU BEKAR!!!" Always gets me

7. Oh and people can sit through watching the extended cut of Lord of the Rings without getting Tired? At least this movie did not have boring scenes like Treebeard.

And how dare you compare this to George Lucas. The acting in this movie in perticular blows the Prequals out of the water.

1. Some of it was, most of it wasn't. And even with the events that are written by Tolkien, they still make the films bloated, /especially/ when paired with a load of stuff that never happened, even in ancillary material. Most of the stuff with the necromancer is completely reshuffled and redistributed thus making the wizards look dense as fuck and Galadriel unfeasible powerful.

The Hobbit is a very tightly paced book, clocking in at a mere 300 pages, its a book I would recommend everyone should read in their life because its more or less flawless. Attempting to suddenly cram all this extra bollocks that most of the time doesn't mesh well or outright screws with itself totally ruins the pacing and narrative structure.

2. Poor CGI in that it all feels weightless and green screeny as hell,. Fuck this scene in particular(excuse the sound). This scene actually offends me it's so bad.


Ian McKellan actually wept at the appalling amount of Green Screen present in The Hobbit.

3.No, there was no side plot with discount Griemar Wormtongue in Lake town, nor all that stuff with Bard, nor with Keili and the Elf Chick. Nor with Legolas beyond him /maybe/ having been present in the Elven Kings hall. Nor with the Dwarves splitting up in Laketown, nor with dying Keili and Kingsfoil, nor with Beorn chasing them through the woods, which makes the next scene not make sense, Nor with that stupid chase through the mines with video game set pieces from Smaug, Nor with the Orcs, nor with Azog, which leads me on to my next point....

4.Anachronistic Bollocks: In the wrong time. Azog should be dead, having had his head removed by D?in in the battle Thorin is wrongly depicted as having removed his arm. Legolas just warps the space time continnium

5, 6. The tension is false, because the orcs are constantly persuing them, yet nothing EVER comes of it, thus causing tiresome action sequences, with people CONSTANTLY being fucking saved at the last second, again removing tension. It's bad cinematography with no pay off to most of the action sequences.All that bollocks with Discount Wormtongue and Bard is a complete waste of time despite its attempts to provide tension because nothing happens as a result.

The action sequences just go on and on and on, with poor cinematography, boring fight choreography, inconsistent choreography, where some moments is grounded, and then suddenly turns into anime physics and back again. There's more to action scenes than just lobbing explosive chaotic messes around and calling it entertainment. The CGI armies, while necessary, bleed into each other constantly. Rather than being a part of the scene, they just exist and not enough effort was made to breath life into them, nor differentiate them properly from each other.

7. Yeah, I can watch the LOTR extended cut because I find it engaging, but not The Hobbit. Whats your point?

EDIT: Watch out for the edits.

Oh and Lord of the Rings had such brilliant choreography:

https://youtu.be/kyevhryWKHk?t=79

CGI has been a huge improvement from the CGI of some of the CGI of Lord of the Rings, I mean have you seen the Wargs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3GFYKIwJ9Y

And your upset about Legolas running on rocks? Where were you when Legolas singlehandedly killed an elephant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDVnl2-_66E

Look, I enjoy The Hobbit trilogy more than most but even I can say that most of the things people point out as bad or wrong about the movies are warranted. I accept that they aren't perfect, or even accurate to the book, and I just don't care.

OP, just enjoy the movies you like and don't get angry when someone comes along and hates on them. Accept it as a differing opinion and move on.

 

[Ieyke]

Because he's pretty damn good.
Spoilers: Before they hit it big, a lot of directors are hired to make movies they don't really care about (Scooby Doo), or make stuff that only a niche audience cares about (a lot of the stuff Gunn's made).
Now he's making big stuff that he loves and has the respect to ask for the budget to do other movies he wants to make with the resources he needs to make them good. He doesn't need to make Scooby Doo anymore, and now he could do a bigger crazier version of something like Super.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

snip

I had a decent childhood when I was a kid. I am 90s kid I had the DC Cartoons like Batman, Superman, and Justice League aswell as the 90s Marvel Cartoons, Cartoon Network and Nickalodeon's classics (Oh man you have no idea how much I dislike current cartoons right now) and freakin Toonami I grew up with movies like Hook, Disney Animated Renissance, Raimi Spiderman, etc. etc.

My love of the "Standard Fantasy" genre came from me playing Ocarina of Time and Warcraft 3 and watching Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings movies. Also there was a time I actually LIKED the Star Wars Prequals, mostly because of Genddy Tartakovsk's Clone Wars series. I liked alot of movies that people "hated" because I did not know any better, I had fun watching them. (Probably thanks to my lack of visiting the internet because I did not have my own computer)

Now the whole Marvel thing. I was not against Marvel at all back then especially these movies and remember that these movies came out before Man of Steel and My favorite Marvel hero of all is Hulk. When I first saw the Avengers I was hyped. I felt excited. But then during certain moments, something clicked when I first watched. Portions of the Comedy I did not find funny at all. That scene one where Hulk just randomly punched Thor for no reason did not get a laugh from me, but everyone in my theater roared with laughter. I was like "Why did you punch him? Yeah you 2 had a fight on the ship, but was that really necessary?"

Then I watched Iron Man 3 and was even more annoyed. GOTG I wathched mostly because I wanted to see Thanos which I thought he was getting a big role in that movie, And then the movie went on and I ended up with a boring villain and "clowns" of characters that imo are not interesting ( perticularly Star Lord and the Raccoon) and the movie's in your face 1980s references annoyed me more because I am NOT a person of the 80s. I am like "Oh look a Greenskined/Pinked Skinned person like in those Star Trek movies/shows" Oh look reference to other Sci Fi stuff from the 80s." And oh my goodness the jokes and the funny thing is I kinda smiled at some of them (The "Oooh Yeah") but then it got worse to the point of Cornyness and the epitome was Star Lord fucking Dancing. I facepalmed so hard at that scene. Oh and Groot IN THIS movie completely ripped-off The Iron Giant and when Groot "died" I fucking called it, I knew he was going to die in the exact sameway as Iron Giant (Because Vin Diesal voiced both characters) you can't make lightning strike twice!!! Groot's death is no where near as heartbreaking as the Iron Giant. And of course Groot came back to life.

Then Age of Ultron came and the villain completely ruined the movie for me, I never read the comic book, but I KNOW Ultron was never like how he was in the movie. Spoony summed him up perfectly "He was a Joss Wheadon villain."

My problem with most of Marvel movies is that I just cannot take them seriously anymore. I feel they are leaning too much on humor, on jokes, on being witty and colorful that it forget to have a sense of seriousness and drama and tension for me to care about the characters. Raimi Spiderman may have colorfulness and humor but it also had moments like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU69hldyq7U

And the fandom of these Modern Marvel movies are certainly not helping, the first 2 minutes of this video sums up how I feel about this and Modern Marvel movies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP4StBAR6sA

Now onto what I think of DC comics but that is for another another post because this one is too long at this point.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

@Antonio Torrente

Now onto DC. As I grew to how I am now I started to ended up liking DC more then Marvel. When I first visted the website Comixology I bought a bunch of the best DC comic books, perticularly those from Alan Moore. Along with Classics such as Kingdom Come and others. I liked how these Comic Books were very "Mature" and more for an Older Audiance and I see potential in it. They made the Vertigo Imprint for goodness sake and V for Vendetta came out of it.

And the DCAU NOTHING like these Modern Marvel movies in terms of tone. Even Teen Titans despite the humor it does have it still has those Dark and Serious moments like Robin's obssession with Slade, Cyborg's story arc with Brotherblood, and Raven oh man, This show had the BALLS to actually show litirally Armageddon/Hell on Earth in a "Kids" show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_cELuKKYog

Then Man of Steel came. When I watched I did not had these "Anti Modern Marvel" stuff in iy head yet. Movie had its flaws but it also had its good moments. The best one of all in that movie was the characterization of Zod. He was the best part of the movie and a compelling villain, this scene sums him up best:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WYgu6Xa-_U

Eat shit Ultron, Loki, and yes Jesse's Luthor this is how you make a Villain.

But then I saw the very mixed reception to it. And that is when it started because I am like "Really? This is a bad movie? I have seen Superman stories WORSE then this" Case in point Superman At Earth's End.

In the end I just prefer DC over Marvel movies because they have Balls, they have an Edge, and I don't view the characters has "jokesters" Compared to the now safe, "Disnifyed" no risk movies. Yes Batman v Superman was mess I knew it was going to be one when they revelaed Wonder Woman and the title Dawn of Justice (Wonder Woman movie I am excited for) I just wathched the action I said to myself in the years leading up to it.

Marvel so far the only reason I am still watching it is because of Thanos. Thanos looks like a badass villain and I HOPE they do him justice and not end up making him like Ultron.

 

[WonkyWarmaiden]

snip

I had a decent childhood when I was a kid. I am 90s kid I had the DC Cartoons like Batman, Superman, and Justice League aswell as the 90s Marvel Cartoons, Cartoon Network and Nickalodeon's classics (Oh man you have no idea how much I dislike current cartoons right now) and freakin Toonami I grew up with movies like Hook, Disney Animated Renissance, Raimi Spiderman, etc. etc.

My love of the "Standard Fantasy" genre came from me playing Ocarina of Time and Warcraft 3 and watching Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings movies. Also there was a time I actually LIKED the Star Wars Prequals, mostly because of Genddy Tartakovsk's Clone Wars series. I liked alot of movies that people "hated" because I did not know any better, I had fun watching them. (Probably thanks to my lack of visiting the internet because I did not have my own computer)

Now the whole Marvel thing. I was not against Marvel at all back then especially these movies and remember that these movies came out before Man of Steel and My favorite Marvel hero of all is Hulk. When I first saw the Avengers I was hyped. I felt excited. But then during certain moments, something clicked when I first watched. Portions of the Comedy I did not find funny at all. That scene one where Hulk just randomly punched Thor for no reason did not get a laugh from me, but everyone in my theater roared with laughter. I was like "Why did you punch him? Yeah you 2 had a fight on the ship, but was that really necessary?"

Then I watched Iron Man 3 and was even more annoyed. GOTG I wathched mostly because I wanted to see Thanos which I thought he was getting a big role in that movie, And then the movie went on and I ended up with a boring villain and "clowns" of characters that imo are not interesting ( perticularly Star Lord and the Raccoon) and the movie's in your face 1980s references annoyed me more because I am NOT a person of the 80s. I am like "Oh look a Greenskined/Pinked Skinned person like in those Star Trek movies/shows" Oh look reference to other Sci Fi stuff from the 80s." And oh my goodness the jokes and the funny thing is I kinda smiled at some of them (The "Oooh Yeah") but then it got worse to the point of Cornyness and the epitome was Star Lord fucking Dancing. I facepalmed so hard at that scene. Oh and Groot IN THIS movie completely ripped-off The Iron Giant and when Groot "died" I fucking called it, I knew he was going to die in the exact sameway as Iron Giant (Because Vin Diesal voiced both characters) you can't make lightning strike twice!!! Groot's death is no where near as heartbreaking as the Iron Giant. And of course Groot came back to life.

Then Age of Ultron came and the villain completely ruined the movie for me, I never read the comic book, but I KNOW Ultron was never like how he was in the movie. Spoony summed him up perfectly "He was a Joss Wheadon villain."

My problem with most of Marvel movies is that I just cannot take them seriously anymore. I feel they are leaning too much on humor, on jokes, on being witty and colorful that it forget to have a sense of seriousness and drama and tension for me to care about the characters. Raimi Spiderman may have colorfulness and humor but it also had moments like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU69hldyq7U

And the fandom of these Modern Marvel movies are certainly not helping, the first 2 minutes of this video sums up how I feel about this and Modern Marvel movies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP4StBAR6sA

Now onto what I think of DC comics but that is for another another post because this one is too long at this point.

I don't want to say that you're watching the movies wrong but I do think you should lighten up a bit. I get the complaint that Marvel can be too jokey but I think you're taking these movies too seriously. GotG isn't meant to be a gritty space drama, it's an action comedy, and I don't know why you would expect anything else from it.

As for Ultron, you have to realize that the MCU isn't pulling directly from the comics. In the comics Hank Pym created Ultron but because Pym wasn't in the movies at that point they switched his role with Tony. And since Tony was Ultron's "father", Ultron had a bit more of Tony's personality than his comic counterpart.

 

[WonkyWarmaiden]

@Antonio Torrente

Now onto DC. As I grew to how I am now I started to ended up liking DC more then Marvel. When I first visted the website Comixology I bought a bunch of the best DC comic books, perticularly those from Alan Moore. Along with Classics such as Kingdom Come and others. I liked how these Comic Books were very "Mature" and more for an Older Audiance and I see potential in it. They made the Vertigo Imprint for goodness sake and V for Vendetta came out of it.

And the DCAU NOTHING like these Modern Marvel movies in terms of tone. Even Teen Titans despite the humor it does have it still has those Dark and Serious moments like Robin's obssession with Slade, Cyborg's story arc with Brotherblood, and Raven oh man, This show had the BALLS to actually show litirally Armageddon/Hell on Earth in a "Kids" show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_cELuKKYog

Then Man of Steel came. When I watched I did not had these "Anti Modern Marvel" stuff in iy head yet. Movie had its flaws but it also had its good moments. The best one of all in that movie was the characterization of Zod. He was the best part of the movie and a compelling villain, this scene sums him up best:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WYgu6Xa-_U

Eat shit Ultron, Loki, and yes Jesse's Luthor this is how you make a Villain.

But then I saw the very mixed reception to it. And that is when it started because I am like "Really? This is a bad movie? I have seen Superman stories WORSE then this" Case in point Superman At Earth's End.

In the end I just prefer DC over Marvel movies because they have Balls, they have an Edge, and I don't view the characters has "jokesters" Compared to the now safe, "Disnifyed" no risk movies. Yes Batman v Superman was mess I knew it was going to be one when they revelaed Wonder Woman and the title Dawn of Justice (Wonder Woman movie I am excited for) I just wathched the action I said to myself in the years leading up to it.

Marvel so far the only reason I am still watching it is because of Thanos. Thanos looks like a badass villain and I HOPE they do him justice and not end up making him like Ultron.

I'm sorry but to say that DCCU is better because it has "edge" and "balls" is hilarious to me because from what I can tell that's ALL they have. They certainly don't have good writing or good direction. They could, if they booted David S. Goyer and Zack Snyder and actually took their time to organically grow the story towards the Justice League instead of shoving every important story and character into one movie to set up an entire universe. They fucked up by trying to catch up with Marvel and it's plain as day.

Also? It's ridiculous to keep watching something for one character. I'm not going to sit and watch the next Batman movie and wonder when Clayface is gonna show up. I doubt Thanos will be doing anything interesting until Infinity Wars Part 1 & 2 so maybe just wait and watch those?

 

[WolfThomas]

Like as if he was the next Quintin Tarantino

Ironically, both directors who have made exactly one good movie each. Amazing. It's like poetry, it rhymes.

Genuinely curious which one is the good one? With no interest in aruging. Pulp Fiction?

As the years go on I'm starting to think that Jackie Brown is criminally underrated.

 

[Antonio Torrente]

"Edge", "Mature", "Balls"

Words that I really despise right now but hey if that's what you like then good for you.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

I think Gunn is better than Snyder. While Nolan isn't bad, I don't think he's as good as people make him out to be.