Well I think console gamers are equally arrogant with their portrayal of PC gamers as arrogant fuckwads. Nobody is right in this argument, nobody is more arrogant than the other side and everyone has something to lose if people continue this silly argument.Snowalker said:
Why are The Witcher 2 fans so defensive?
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Fair enough, may I ask though, if you weren't in for an argument, why are you on a forum? Sure, they use the ruse of discussion, but almost all good discussion delude into arguments, so you kinda knew what you were bargaining for.Zeriu said:
Good talk.
Most pc gamers are always defensive, don't worry i'm a pc elitist myself i even got a eyefinity setup. But when it comes to a pc exclusive game people will do everything in their might to protect it, telling you how flawless and smart it is even if they probablt themselves thinks it's rather stupid.
Sorry I wasn't much help in that regard, I mean, I agree with what you're saying, but I disagree where it counts. Sorry, good luck though, maybe if you sway enough people we can stop bullshit threads like this, and I can become the lurker I once was.Zeriu said:
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As for Minecraft, the lack of a tutorial was perfect for the game. Why? Mainly because the purpose of the game was the idea of exploration and discovering things to do and to combine. It was an open world that was based on experimenting and trying fabulous new things.
It's the same reason why you don't 'teach' a child how to play Lincoln logs or LEGO. Just give them the pieces and let them figure it out.
Besides the game is still in beta. Who says Notch won't integrate a tutorial by the time the game goes gold?
Never played Super Metroid because I never owned a console.Kahunaburger said:You would not like Super Metroid then haha. Or MinecraftSavber said:
CDProjekt did fix the prologue difficulty in their latest patch, although IMO a lot of that difficulty stems from people not knowing how flexible their options are. They really should patch in a tutorial as a separate option from the main game, because the way the main game dumps you in the action is awesome but the way it doesn't give a hand to people who don't know the game's toolkit is not.
As for Minecraft, the lack of a tutorial was perfect for the game. Why? Mainly because the purpose of the game was the idea of exploration and discovering things to do and to combine. It was an open world that was based on experimenting and trying fabulous new things.
It's the same reason why you don't 'teach' a child how to play Lincoln logs or LEGO. Just give them the pieces and let them figure it out.
Besides the game is still in beta. Who says Notch won't integrate a tutorial by the time the game goes gold?
Actually, the game doesn't forget to tell you how to do anything (except maybe applying mutagen), every single bit of the core mechanics is explained in those first fights, it tells you how to swing your sword, how to cast spells, what each sword is meant for and what each spell is meant for. It even tells you it'd be wise to set traps and throw bombs, to block and to evade.remnant_phoenix said:
Anything more than explaining those would be kind of restraining you to figure out what strategy best fits you, as you learn the mix and matching option the game gives you.
The Witcher 2 is one of the best games I have ever played, that being said, it definitely has problems. It has no learning curve...in fact there's no "learning" to speak of even built into the game. The game leaves many interface and statistical aspects of the game obscured until you basically look them up on the internet.
This may seem like a major oversight - and it is - but the overall quality of the game is SO HIGH that I can definitely overlook this. The storytelling is honestly the future of what video game stories should be. It's so organic and meaningful and varied. You can tell the The Witcher 2 was made with such love and care for both the source material and the integrity of gaming and the experience in general that it really shines.
Don't get me wrong, games like Dragon Age 1 and 2 and Mass Effect 1 and 2 are great, and I will continue to buy their sequels but The Witcher 2 is definitely a step in the right direction for gaming in my opinion...
I don't think there is anything to "defend". People will either like it or not - there are those who genuinely don't want a challenge in their games and for those people this probably isn't the game for them.
This may seem like a major oversight - and it is - but the overall quality of the game is SO HIGH that I can definitely overlook this. The storytelling is honestly the future of what video game stories should be. It's so organic and meaningful and varied. You can tell the The Witcher 2 was made with such love and care for both the source material and the integrity of gaming and the experience in general that it really shines.
Don't get me wrong, games like Dragon Age 1 and 2 and Mass Effect 1 and 2 are great, and I will continue to buy their sequels but The Witcher 2 is definitely a step in the right direction for gaming in my opinion...
I don't think there is anything to "defend". People will either like it or not - there are those who genuinely don't want a challenge in their games and for those people this probably isn't the game for them.
He used to be funny about it; and he used to actually have a point.. lately not so muchLordRoyal said: