Love you too.
daftalchemist said:
People do still get lice. It's not like a civilization becomes more cultured and suddenly all the louses go away. If that was the case there wouldn't have been that breakout of bedbugs a while back.
However, I do think it is a little silly just because girls can wear their slouchy berets and stuff, but baseball caps have to be taken off for some reason. Just so long as kid aren't coming in with huge ten-gallon hats that block everyone's view of the board, I really don't see a problem with it.
I know people still get lice, but the only lice infection I have ever known about was when I was in pre-Kindergarten... in a private school. It's too rare to fuss about.
Jack the Potato said:
Your arguments reek of whining. All of those reasons are actually pretty legitimate reasons, and it seems a bit immature to go off like you are because you can't wear a hat for half a day, 5 days a week. Hats aren't everything. Just be glad your school doesn't have uniforms.
I've had uniforms before. On top of that, I couldn't wear my hat. Removing the uniform did not make the lack of a hat any less annoying. Half a day, five days a week is a lot of time, especially because I'm usually sleeping or at home the other half.
Furthermore, I am not whining, I am complaining. I actually gave counterpoints, not just saying "No hats in school is a stupid rule waaaah."
Daystar Clarion said:
Zeren said:
I support banning hats because I find it amusing to watch children complain about it.
This.
It's a hat. I'm sure you can deal with not wearing it while indoors. If you get angry about social hat conventions, I'd hate to see what you'd be like when the shit
really hits the fan.
I've been stewing over this issue for a long time, and I'd hardly consider this an overreaction.
CM156 said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Zeren said:
I support banning hats because I find it amusing to watch children complain about it.
This.
It's a hat. I'm sure you can deal with not wearing it while indoors.
I'm with you on that one. It's not something worth complaining about.
It's a hat. A
hat. So what if you can't wear it indoors?
Phlakes said:
Because it's easier. If everyone just doesn't wear one, it's all that less hat-related shit the staff has to deal with. And any amount of hat-related shit greater than zero is too much when there's an easy solution.
I agree. They just don't wanna put up with any amount of hat-related problems.
I know it's a hat. It's a very comfy hat. If it's so trivial, then why not allow it?
Gitty101 said:
Hats? Really? Surely you have bigger things to worry about?
OT: Blame the education system. As mentioned earlier by another member - it's easier simply to get rid of them all together and avoid all the problems they could potentially create, rather then trying to enforce yet another set of rules. The only exception I know of is if you have a disfigurement on your head, then you are allowed to conceal it with a hat...
I do, I just don't like doing it on the Escapist because I don't like impersonal, serious debates. There are too many random people here for me to give a damn.
I don't like the easy way out excuse, hopefully for obvious reasons.
emeraldrafael said:
Double A said:
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5. Lice? Freakin' lice? How many people have lice these days? What's more, if you're worried about lice, don't let other people wear your hat. That's what I do. Calling BS yet again.
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Odds are you arent worried about Lice if you have them, so its the schools way of stopping a potential lawsuit. besides, all it takes is a hat laying ont he ground and someone picking it and wearing it, or someone taking it off your head and putting it on to get lice from someone who does have it. So its not always a voluntary thing. Besides, more people then you know have lice or present a situation where it would be easy to spread them. The estimate currently is (EDIT) <url=http://www.quantumhealth.com/news/head_lice_treatment.html>10% of elementary students will get lice.
Now, I was always told in my school that the general rule is if its offensive to someone then you have to take it off. The teachers could also have the freedom to say hats arent allowed in class if they so chose to. And most chose to, cause it was really easy to cheat with a hat. I've seen someone actually sew the answers into the bill so when they looked up at it they could just read the answer, and I've seen another kid who would create little pieces of thread sticking out so he had the answers in braille.
There was also because people would take them off other kids heads and it would cause disruption, more so then most other items. we actually had a list in the principal's office of most disruptive stolen items and it went:
1) Hat
2) Purses/Gym Bags
3) Books/Binders
4) Wallets
5) Shoes/Clothes
6) Accessories (glasses, watches, jewelry)
7) School Supplies
And they had some percentages after them but I cant remember what they were exactly.
Then there was the year some kids sneaked in weapons, and a worry that people would attach laser pointers on the bill and blind/harass someone with it, or they would attach a camera and do... stuff (there was a lot of things on the list and some were valid while others were pointless) with it.
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The real question is why do you need to wear a hat? Odds are good you're not going to work and wear one. so its better to learn early then to wait till you get to the workplace. So it shouldnt be a big deal to just do it and stop bitching. Right now, you're just coming off as entitled and like you need to wear a hat. Unless you have a VERY good reason to wear one, it shouldnt make a difference to take it off as a sign of respect.
1) I'm not worried about lice, therefore I have them? Was that a typo? Because I don't think I have lice. Not enough scalp itching.
2) I know of people who hide sticky notes with vocab words in their pants pockets and easily get away with cheating. Besides, teachers could just ask for kids to take hats off during tests if they're that worried.
3) It offends me that people like stifling my Freedom of Expression by wanting to wear a hat. Isn't that basically the same thing? Also, I have never heard of someone, other than someone too posh for their own good, of being offended by hats. Please explain this one to me.
4) I go outside sometimes, then the sun hits my eyes if I accidentally look too close at it (and I assume this is the case with everyone else). Still, I get the point, I'm not outside always. It just feels good on my head, like how some people wear scarves. Those things are at least as disruptive as hats (albeit less common), but they aren't banned from school grounds, even when it's not cold.
Although there is the small point about me being in theater class and a play, and that the stage lights are always in my damn face. I see spots a lot.
Will Holmes said:
It's more about partially blocking the face of the wearer or the line of sight of other people behind the wearer than anything. Schools function by communication between teacher and student/pupil. ANYTHING that breaks that, even partially, needs to be stopped in the classroom.
The lice argument is also pretty justified. Lice outbreaks aren't very common nowadays, but when they hit, they hit loads of people when hats are involved. People will try on each other's hats, it's a very instinctual thing to do.
Finally, people can and will use hats as a distraction. I should know, I'm writing this post instead of doing English homework.
If tilting my hat up doesn't work, I can just take it off. That doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to wear it in a hallway.
Lice: See above somewhere.
People will use anything and everything as a distraction.
The Becker said:
1. Why do you need a hat indoors?
2. It is a sign of respect
Says the man with a Kimbley avatar
1. I don't, other than comfort and when on stage during rehearsals. I feel incredibly awkward without my hat, unless I'm laying down.
2. It's a sign of respect because people say it's a sign of respect. If you can actually give me valid reasons that aren't outdated, I'll consider changing my stance.
dogstile said:
I was always more annoyed at them banning brightly coloured socks or underwear.
I mean, hat's I get, line of sight is needed while teaching and a hat is a convenient thing to use to hide your eyes. But socks and fucking underwear? I never understood that rule in the slightest.
I mean, it could apparently distract other students. If that was the case every person in my uni class would be absolutely fucked.
My school doesn't have these rules, and if it does, it isn't as enforced as the hat rule. Still, that sounds ridiculous.
Kalezian said:
Zeren said:
I support banning hats because I find it amusing to watch children complain about it.
yea, but then you have people like me who didn't give two shits about the school rules and wore our hats anyway.
Yea, I got in trouble for it, but I also agreed with the principle that a students looks should always go before their education, and suggested we go farther and ban any type of item that can be work on the head, like hair-clips, ribbons, glasses, ect. since these too can cause distractions in the classroom, I then suggested along with implementing a very strict school uniform [as in if you pants were above or below 1/4" of an inch you would be expelled], that all students must have cleanly shaven heads to prevent Lice from being a problem and that hairstyles in general can cause a distraction with students, even more so than wearing a solid black ballcap.
Then we had a nice long chat about how we should start teaching proper English and should someone use grammar improperly, he/she will be whipped no less than 80 times with a bullwhip.
in the end, others and myself were able to wear hats as long as they didn't cause a distraction in the class, and had nothing obscene on them, both reasonable requests.
I wish I had your principal.
I also wish that the punishment for wearing a hat wasn't "Get hat taken away." Kinda ruins the whole point of passive aggressive protesting.
