Why Dishonored 2 doesnot have corvo as sole protagonist?

[JUMBO PALACE]

I want my games to be badass. you know?

Women can be badasses you know.

I'll eveconcede that there might be some instances where the inclusion of different options or playable characters might be seen in some way as a gesture to the feminists, but Dishonored 2 looks like an excellent example where having Emily be a playable character is a great choice for both the gameplay and story. Her relationship with Corvo is the linchpin of the first game and it only makes sense that the Outsider takes an interest in her as Empress. Plus, her powers look brutal as fuck.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

I'm not sure whether this is bait or not. I mean, the more I read the OP's posts the more I can't believe someone is this shallow. XD I'm gonna assume he's baiting.

As for the "I get why Emily wants her throne back but why is the EMPRESS fighting when she should be keeping herself safe?!" people...

Well, for one thing, her enemy is a witch who is using Outsider magic. You can't beat an Outsider mage without another Outsider mage. Her powers are needed on the frontlines.

For two, given that like, the whole setting seems to be against Emily here, she probably got non-person'd in a way that makes it very difficult to rally a full competent rebellion.

For three, we know that Emily is a little impetuous, and she's older now, so I think it's totally reasonable that she'd insist she get to fight in person. ...That and if something serious happens to Corvo in the intro, damn you can be sure she'd want payback.

 

[Zombie Proof]

I want my games to be badass. you know?

LOL. I find your sexism equal parts comical and sad Bro-Cell




...and like I said on the other site, stating that you like the girl from Portal doesn't count. You barely see her and she doesn't speak(no wonder she's your favorite lol).

 

[B-Cell_v1legacy]

I want my games to be badass. you know?

LOL. I find your sexism equal parts comical and sad Bro-Cell




...and like I said on the other site, stating that you like the girl from Portal doesn't count. You barely see her and she doesn't speak(no wonder she's your favorite lol).

I like shodan from system shock. best female character by very large margin.

 

[Zombie Proof]

Another convenient answer. A bodiless voice that isn't actually a woman at all. Even better is that you get to tout your retro elitism on top of your sexism with that one.

Keep diggin Brain-Cell hahahaha.

 

[JUMBO PALACE]

Considering you can let Emily die, the sequel shouldn't have had her as a main. Besides, a princess becoming a badass assassin to claim her thrown is dumb. I would have preferred an original character over both.

absolutely. emily is princess. its like cinderalla become badass warrior lol

kinda sad stephen russel voicing corvo yet corvo is not focus of the game story. he should have been next Garrett from thief. way to ruined a potentiall.

Princess Leia

Merida
Padme
Eowyn

The list goes on.

 

[09philj]

Insert Peter Griffin meme here.

 

[CaitSeith]

Is it to appease gaming feminist extremist to bring a female character as protagonist? who complain about gaming industry invaded by men? or some other reason?

Shots fired. You had to go there, didn't you?

How is that dumb? If she's been deposed (presumably by violence) then there's a pretty short list of ways she can get her throne back and basically all of them require violence. Making her a playable character just means she's getting her own hands dirty instead of convincing other people to get their hands dirty for her.

Realistically, she'd have underground rebels fighting for her, forbidding her from getting herself in danger, since she is vitally important to their cause. Like in Hidden Fortress. She would be learning about politics and her royal duties instead.

If no one will fight for her, why the hell is she trying to reclaim her throne?

Now, you made me more interested in the game than ever. Does even anyone support her in the first place? Or maybe they don't have enough rebels? It will be fun to see what explanation the game has for getting her life being risked.

On the other side, when a coup happens, does The Usurper usually take part on the fight? Or does he direct everything from a safe place, never putting himself in real danger? I think in videogames, the former isn't rare. Isn't there a name for that specific trope?

 

[sXeth]

I'm really surprised Corvo was there at all.

He's almost a non-character in the first game. As "iconic" goes, you could slap the Assassin's mask and the Outsider's Mark on anyone really.

He was also a bit long in the tooth, as it were. He's decently middle-aged in the first one, and this is at least 8-10 years after that (Emily presumably has gone from 12-18 or more). Corvo is presumably a human. IIRC, Thief and Hitman don't really pin down their ages too much, or take large jumps in time (or avoid referencing time). MGS gets around it with all sorts of general wackiness, including clones. Haven't played Splinter Cell to say on that one.

 

[happyninja42]

If I may interject my opinion, it's kinda risky having Emily as an assassin, not for the hurr-durr reason, but because if it's not done well it will make her seem REALLY undeserving of the throne. If in any case you will murder or condemn to a fate worse than death someone who's crime was disagreeing with her than she'll be a monster to a sane player. If all the targets will be cartoonishly evil to justify their treatment than this will result in a shitty plot.

I also already call that in one of missions we'll find out what happened to lady Boyle.

In the first game corvo could either be a proper assassin, or a vicious murderer who made everything worse

I don't see why this game couldn't let you make bad choices as well

Because in the end he didn't strive for power, but vengeance and rescuing a person he loved. The problem is not with the bad choices (or the choices at all) but the idea of ruining a person for power and still remain likable in some capacity.

And yet you can still get a bad ending aptly called "high chaos" where an insane corvo absolutely murders and tortures everyone in his path.......to rescue a person he loved.

I don't see why deposed empress Emily can't wreck some havoc on her way back to the throne and still be as "likable" as batshit insane high chaos corvo was in the last game

Unless you hold women to a higher standard of "likable"

I'm not sure you can say Corvo was "likeable" in any chaos level, he was a silent protagonist. But I would say the difference in high/low Corvo is the difference between Anakin Skywalker going dark to be Vader, to save a woman he loves (in his own head anyway), and Luke Skywalker not carving a path through everyone in front of him, to save the people he loves (namely his sister).

As to the above comment about players would find a high chaos Emily to be a monster, well, considering the God of War 4 thread, apparently there is a large player base that absolutely love playing horrible monsters, and revel in it, so it's not like this would sour every player to the character.

Besides, you can always just not play her that way. I have no intention of playing Emily as an evil woman, but the fact that the game allows that style is fine by me. It's on the game code, so what? I won't play it, so it doesn't really matter.

 

[CaitSeith]

If I may interject my opinion, it's kinda risky having Emily as an assassin, not for the hurr-durr reason, but because if it's not done well it will make her seem REALLY undeserving of the throne. If in any case you will murder or condemn to a fate worse than death someone who's crime was disagreeing with her than she'll be a monster to a sane player. If all the targets will be cartoonishly evil to justify their treatment than this will result in a shitty plot.

I also already call that in one of missions we'll find out what happened to lady Boyle.

In the first game corvo could either be a proper assassin, or a vicious murderer who made everything worse

I don't see why this game couldn't let you make bad choices as well

Because in the end he didn't strive for power, but vengeance and rescuing a person he loved. The problem is not with the bad choices (or the choices at all) but the idea of ruining a person for power and still remain likable in some capacity.

And yet you can still get a bad ending aptly called "high chaos" where an insane corvo absolutely murders and tortures everyone in his path.......to rescue a person he loved.

I don't see why deposed empress Emily can't wreck some havoc on her way back to the throne and still be as "likable" as batshit insane high chaos corvo was in the last game

Unless you hold women to a higher standard of "likable"

Not really, it just that when you have murder for politics in a game, real world events kick in and it looks far worse.

It would be really interesting if they actually make references to real world events with those in-game murders.

 

[PapaGreg096]

If I may interject my opinion, it's kinda risky having Emily as an assassin, not for the hurr-durr reason, but because if it's not done well it will make her seem REALLY undeserving of the throne. If in any case you will murder or condemn to a fate worse than death someone who's crime was disagreeing with her than she'll be a monster to a sane player. If all the targets will be cartoonishly evil to justify their treatment than this will result in a shitty plot.

I also already call that in one of missions we'll find out what happened to lady Boyle.

Well not so much as disagreeing with her but more of the lines of making her public enemy

Also, assassinating would make it much harder for her to be supported by her people. Prowling and murder is looked down on. There's no way the rebels, if there are any who support her, would risk this identity getting out. There's no need for her to get her hands literally dirty.

Dude as long as Emily won't start a plague or make sure the common man gets a decent wage she could hang children just for making fun of her and the people would still support her

 

[Asita]

*Shrug* Why shouldn't it have two possible protagonists? The franchise has had one released game and one to-be-released game, so it's not exactly bucking a trend. Not every franchise has to have a singular central character which they follow across all the titles. The main Final Fantasy games have a different central cast each time, as does the Elder Scrolls series, Borderlands series, Bioshock series, Dragon Age series, Persona series, Dragon Quest series, Fire Emblem series, Disgaea series, the Assassin's Creed series (sorta)[footnote]This one's significantly iffier than the rest, but while Desmond was the nominal protagonist up until the end of AC3, in practice he and the Animus acted more as a vehicle to ease the audience into the roles of Altair, Ezio (who further complicated things by having two sequels of his own), Haytham, and Ratonhnhak?:ton rather than an actual focus character[/footnote], Silent Hill series...point being that there was no obligation to stick with Corvo and just Corvo. Hell, the DLC for Dishonored saw Daud as a focal charater, so adding to the central character roster certainly isn't out of left field, especially considering that the Outsider bestows his gifts on pretty much anyone who piques his interest.

 

[Mcgeezaks]

Another convenient answer. A bodiless voice that isn't actually a woman at all. Even better is that you get to tout your retro elitism on top of your sexism with that one.

Keep diggin Brain-Cell hahahaha.

Yeah I'm surprised that people still try to argue with him.

 

[Poetic Nova]

Well, someone is getting their panties in a twist because it doesn't just feature generic buff guy #121

 

[RedDeadFred]

Because not only does it make sense given the ending of the first game and their relationship, but it adds replay value. To be honest, it's simply more interesting in general. I don't really see how this can be taken as a bad thing. Sure, you could simply have the Outsider give Corvo more powers this time around, but that seems kind of cheap from a story telling perspective.

I don't see how anyone would think Emily couldn't become a murderous badass... Her father is a master assassin and after she saw what happened to her mother, it kind of stands to reason that she'd want to know how to protect herself. Hell, in the high chaos ending, she's already downright ruthless.

To be honest, if it weren't for who was making the thread, I'd seriously have thought this was parody.

Oh, hey B-Cell, did you know that whichever character you don't pick dies in the intro? I shall spare a thought for you as I pick Emily and watch boring and generic Corvo die a boring and generic death.

That's not actually confirmed though is it? The popular theory seems to be that one of them is imprisoned in the void by Delilah (or incapacitated in some other way). I wouldn't rule it out though and it would certainly be in keeping with how the first game starts.

 

[Elvis Starburst]

Is it to appease gaming feminist extremist to bring a female character as protagonist? who complain about gaming industry invaded by men? or some other reason?

Oh come the fuck on. Right off the bat. This isn't some feminist agenda propaganda. Corvo had his time, this game is about someone else.

I want my games to be badass. you know?

beside corvo is now voiced by one who voiced garrett from thief. it would be so much better to develop corvo as sole protagonist instead of making story about a princess emily.

Oh, we know. We know you do. We know you eat, breath, drink, piss and shit out BADASS every day you crazy gritty gruff male protagonist gravel gargling person. As for the second part... refer to the above. This game is about someone else. The creators of the game want to tell a different story. Sorry it terrifies you that a woman can be part of a game. But believe it or not, some of the best known games come from games with female protagonists. And I'm not just talking about the silent ones either, so don't list me the ones you can pretend are male because they never speak.

absolutely. emily is princess. its like cinderalla become badass warrior lol

Yup, cause women can be badass and kick people's teeth in just as well as a guy can, especially if the game is based around it. But nah, can't have the womenz fucking up our games and stealing them from us big men who piss testosterone.

Could you imagine 47 and diana bieng protagonist in Hitman rather than only 47? beacuse if arkane were developing hitman 15 years ago they would make sequel like that. they are even doing this to new Prey too as Morgan can be Male and female.

That'd be awesome to see. Why not give it a try? I can imagine 100 different ways a female hitman (Hitwoman?) could kill someone that a male one can't. Sitting at a bar, guy offers a drink and calls the bartender for one, and she sneaks something in there to kill him through planning before hand? That'd be loads of fun!

So, let's see... Feminism questioning? Check. Badass used at least once? Check. Dislike towards the womenz in our video gaems? Check and check.
Well, this checks out. It's a B-Cell thread alright. Filled with the same kind of stuff we come to expect from our resident old school elitist anti-feminist gravel gargler himself.
Move along, citizen

Edit: Thanks for the laugh MY FRRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNND

 

[JohnnyDelRay]

Guys, don't go too hard on him. I find his threads way too hilarious, forums have been a bit dull off and on lately, he brightens up my day and that's not even sarcasm.

OT: To be honest, just finding out that we would be able to play as Emily has re-ignited my interest in this game. I was ready to let Dishonored 2 slip off into the waves until I found out you could see the story from two different perspectives - chances are very high that I won't even be giving Corvo's story a go, since he wasn't the most interesting protagonist to begin with. Similar motives, different approaches, if they've actually put a lot of thought and effort into it, could be a very interesting game.

 

[Elvis Starburst]

Guys, don't go too hard on him. I find his threads way too hilarious, forums have been a bit dull off and on lately, he brightens up my day and that's not even sarcasm.

I think it's been awhile for some people. Hence why this is already at 3 pages. Makes me remember when Biased-Cell first joined us. Ahhh... Those were exciting times

 

[B-Cell_v1legacy]

But believe it or not, some of the best known games come from female protagonists

what are these games? can you name them? as far as i know 99% of best games feature male protagonists.

I can name one. Portal