Why do PC gamers get so much hate

[Snowalker]

Because, generally speaking, they put off a lot of hate towards other gamers.

 

[jamesworkshop]

superior firepower

 

[Kstreitenfeld]

I am elitist. Say whatever you want but the 360 is a 4.5 year old piece of shit you buy at any toy store.

For the first time since I can ever remember we have a vast majority of software that is struggling to fully utilize the best hardware out there. This is because of the rise in console market share and it's holding back progress.

Why is MW2 optimally designed for 18 person multiplayer when we had that feature on pc over a decade ago?

Ok, now THIS is one of those Twats I described.

Despite being overly rude about it, he brings up a very good point.

Hardware should not be outpacing Software by such a huge margin.

 

[Fire Daemon]

I had no idea consoletard is now officially defined somewhere. Both 'consoletard and 'console tard' return less than 10K hits on Google, and there doesn't appear to be any definition anywhere. Urban Dictionary is not familiar with either term. Even if some guy somewhere had his own definition for it, it wouldn't make it official.

So why the fuck are you trying to impose somebody else's definition of a word on me, or acting like his usage of the word has anything to do with my usage of the word? Don't come crying to me because someone else said something you didn't like.

Every time it seems to be used it seems to be directed at all console gamers. I'm not coming and crying to you, though. If you don't remember, you started coming to me about how you believe the term is justified for individuals, I replied that it is used to describe every console gamer gamer. That's the definition that seems to be most commonly used and so when you say something such 'stupid console-tards' it comes across as referring to all console gamers rather than just a select few.

You're the one who started whining about the definition, and then you started acting like I had called all console gamers consoletards just because someone else had, as if I was somehow responsible for what he had said.

Are you sure? I made the first post in this argument, you responded. I didn't say that you called all console gamers console-tards, just that the use of the term can be and often is used to describe all console gamers. That seems to be the general definition that I've been picked up, but it's not than hey I don't really care.

And you are wrong because your arguments are invalid.

What, why?

This definition does not apply to us.

Uhm, why the fuck not?

PC gamers expect these things because they're not only near-standard features for the platform, but because they existed in the previous game and IW went out of their way to remove them for the sake of more profit. If console gamers had to start fiddling with drivers and config files, they would be pissed because they expect that they can just insert a disc and then play the game, as is standard practise on consoles.

The argument that PC gamers are expecting special treatment is invalid.

Ah but expecting what is standard is still elitism and goes back to the definition (which doesn't count for some reason...). Expecting a certain thing, anything, because the game is on the PC is elitism. So when you say PC gamers demand console commands and dedicated servers because that is standard practice you are being a bit of an elitist. However one flaw in my argument (whats this, pointing out my flaws, by gosh) is that there may not be superiority involved. I'm not exactly sure.

The PC is a PC, as in a Personal Computer. It's not a console.

Ah, I apologize. My intent was to write platform. Surely though, the point remains. Can you surely not argue against it instead of just pointing out word misplacement's?

Your argument is a straw man. MW2 didn't piss off PC gamers because the PC is a superior platform and PC gamers want special treatment. This has been explained a million times in a million threads.

No it isn't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man. A straw man is about directing the argument away from the topic with the hopes of winning and I am disappointed that you will sink so low to use that. I am not trying to 'win' here, just express my feelings on the matter and I see no reason why you feel the need to sink to such lows.

I've been keeping the argument about elitism with MW2 as an example with the term console-tard and the nature of change on the consoles as a side. This isn't about MW2, this is about PC elitism. Honestly man, it sounds like you're itching for a fight concerning this game and I am afraid that I wont meet you on that front as it is something I do not care very much about and have no reason arguing over.

So even if something is changed for the worse, console gamers don't complain. Which means they just go along to get along, instead of saying "hey, this is bullshit."

A lack of complaining doesn't mean that if failed. Gears of War 2 is barely played because of a terrible matchmaking system and as a result failed miserably compared to the first one.

The PC is inherently superior to consoles (except in a few ways), so therefore PC gamers will automatically get a better experience than console gamers (except in a few ways). That's just the way it is. It has nothing to do with deserving things.

Yes, that's the way it is. You think that the PC is superior so you expect superior treatment. ELITISM! What don't you understand about this?

The point is that PC gamers didn't just sit down and shut up, they made it clear that they're not going to put up with that shit. This is something that console gamers would apparently never even consider doing.

No, they would just not buy the game or stop playing it after they bought it. There are plenty of good games on all platforms, people aren't going to play a bad game because they hate sticking it to the man. Not buying the game is much more powerful than an online boycott, people listen to sales. I like to bring up BF:BC in which a group of console gamers headed by Sarcastic Gamer were actually able to stop unjust and game breaking DLC from being put in the game for a cheap buck. I suppose online petitions can work but that was a rare case with an insane amount of drive behind it. Anyway, not to get too off-topic, console gamers stop bad things from occurring in their games, and in one case before it came out. I don't think a PC community has ever done that.

A good port provides an experience equal to that of the original version, except for unavoidable improvements like mouse control, higher resolutions and shorter loading times. That is what people expect. It has absolutely fuckall to do with "elitism."

Expecting a better experience purely because you have it on the PC does, however. If you actually used the definition of elitism that I supplied before (but oh no, that doesn't count :S) than you would realise that.

I'm starting to think that you like to make up the meanings of words

Then why does UT3 on the PS3 support mods? From a technical perspective, there's nothing preventing consoles from supporting mods, rather, it all has to do with money in the end. I mean, it's abundantly clear that Microsoft doesn't want Valve to updates for their games to be free, so there's a good reason to believe that's why mods aren't supported either.

Oh really, I didn't know that. Interesting. Does it have the ability to create the mods on the PS3 or do they have to be created on the PC but available to download onto the PS3? Either, way interesting. You're wrong about Microsoft and Valve though, L4D recieved free updates and so have many other games. Restricting mods so that they can make money doesn't make much sense though. Gamers still buy DLC on the PC with Fallout 3 being an example. I'm not sure how many people downloaded those but I can't see them failing if they release 5 of them. People will still buy DLC with mod support, Microsoft doesn't seem to have much to loose.

 

[Azulito]

Right, the generalisation in this thread really pisses me off.

"All PC gamer are elitist"
"All Console gamers are childish"

I'm sorry to say this, and I'll probably get a lot of 'hate' for this but... if your opinions are similar to the sentences above then grow up.

Really, these people are human

"I am a first aider [Good Person] and I do alot of voluntary work in my spare time [Good Person], I look after my friends when they're ill too! [Good person]... Oh, I am also a PC gamer [UH OH! ELITIST DICKHOLE! EVACUATE THE BUILDING!]"(This is an example)

I know that may be silly but it's true, you're judging peoples lives and what type of person they are just over something as petty as the method they play games. A gamers is a gamer, PC or Console. Is it really THAT hard to just say "Ok, he's a console gamer. He seems a pretty nice person."? Sure, some PC gamers are elitist and some</b console gamers are childish. Making generalisations that a console is childish or people who play games via [method] are automatically bad people really helps nothing and just spreads hate.

If you're the type of person who says "I'm a PC/Console gamer and happy that way." then good for you! We need more people like you because it shows you're secure with what you have and you're comfortable and content with it, instead of being insecure about it and having to 'flame' others just to make what you have seem better; the effects are infact the oppisite.

Sorry this is pretty long but jeez people. Just get along

 

[tehroc]

Jelousy that is all

Wow that is pretty sweet

Very nice setup, however there's a certain level of irony in the posting of this picture. See if you can spot why.

You are aware that the Xbox controller is a USB adapter and is 100% plug and play on Vista...

 

[Lexandra]

The way I see it, I consider it a luxury to be a PC gamer through and through. I mean,it IS a little more pricey to update your system for upcoming games at least once every two years. So yes I do bear in my mind that I might get called out for being a stuck up PC licker, but let me ask you this: Who hasn't got at least one PC in their home?...you really can't beat that number.....i mean it's been here since....i can remember! I ain't gonna switch it with a 360, i'd be just too weird :|

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

Because consoletards know nothing of the glory, options and precision of the PC, they don;t have time to think or alot of money to comprehend the value of a good working PC, so they toil and blow their brains out on simplistic disposable media fodder!!111

/rant
/troll...attempt anyway
/flame...attempt anyway

 

[Spitfire175]

They're called elitists because a lot of them are. Simple as that.

By that logic, consoletards get called consoletards because a lot of them are.
OT:

because of console fanboyism. they attack the PC because they either

A. envy the PC. (modding, etc)
B. think their way is the best way. ( IE good old tribal hostility to other tribes who dont think like them.)
C.trolls (they anger ppl for fun)
D. misinformed about the PC gamers and believe what those idiots at x-play/etc tell them to believe.
E. mistake the PC for a console with shiny bells and whistles. (its NOT a console, its a computer. PCs and consoles are not the same. they CANNOT RUN ON THE SAME SYSTEM of multiplayer, control, etc. stop expecting the PC to conform to your ways thinking it will be a good transition because it wont and it will end badly.)

And here's the reason.

 

[Deathman101]

tl;dr the whole topic

Anyway, the whole hate on PC Gamers is because we're a bunch of elitist bastards who laugh at Xbox Fanboys and their inferior consoles ;p.
Seriously, wasn't the 360 outdated a month before it was released?

 

[AlexanderAstartes]

I'm a convert from PC gaming. I now play about 70% on 360, 30% on PC and DS. There is a sense of elitism about PC games: a friend of mine still has the opinion that nothing on a console can surpass a PC game, but I still stand by there being games that work better on consoles than PC.

Basically, I think consoles are more laid back. You sit down, put the game in, you play it. You're assured the same experience as everyone else. Theres just more stress with PC games, even when you meet the system requirements, I simply find it less relaxed.

 

[Takoto]

Well most of the PC Gamers I know are very elitist, and "up their own asses" as one might say. I've never met one who isn't...

 

[Tyranicus]

Well, generally maintaining a PC to play modern games can be expensive, which is why a pc gamer can come off as an elitist.

True, Its a pain in the ass when your computer dicides to take a shit on you just one random morning.

 

[Hiphophippo]

I'm not reading this whole thread, or any of it, but it should come as no surprise to anyone that humans feel the need to be superior to other humans. If it's not because of gaming set ups it's going to be about something else.

That said, I'm a PC gamer and I feel my platform superior to consoles but I DO have a 360 that I get a lot of enjoyment out of. It depends on the game really whether I get it for PC or my 360. RPG and more complicated fare along with FPS games I usually get on the PC, but more action oriented games end up in the box.

Mods though, that's always the final nail in the coffin for my 360. If I can mod a game and get replay value out of it of course I'll get it for my PC.

But I'm no elitist. To each their own. Games are fun regardless of how you enjoy them.

 

[Fire Daemon]

Why would I refer to everyone who plays consoles when I have two consoles myself?

You weren't, but it appears that way.

Are you sure? I made the first post in this argument, you responded.

And then you started arguing over the definition.

I suppose. Whatever.

Read the entire post.

I did, proven by the fact that I responded to pretty much everything. You didn't justify why the definition of elitism is ignored in our case, you just said that everything is invalid. Poor form.

Ah but expecting what is standard is still elitism and goes back to the definition which doesn't count for some reason...).

Expecting a certain thing, anything, because the game is on the PC is elitism.

Lol. You don't even understand the definition that you yourself posted.

Read those two again and you will see that they don't contradict each other or go against the definition given by dictionary.com. I apologize if I'm making myself hard to understand here, that is not my intent.

By straw man I mean "the Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position."

Alrighty then, but I still fail to see how my argument is a Straw man. Evidence to back up this claim would be helpful but by doing so would in fact be getting a little bit strawy itself so I would understand why you wouldn't. Still, blatantly calling this argument a straw man is a rather weak attempt wouldn't you say?

MW2 is a perfect example of how consoletards completely fail to grasp the nature of PC gaming and how they are happy to take it up the ass from the game industry without a word of complaint.

No, that would Call of Duty 4. That game implemented matchmaking for the franchise I think. I've never played number three and my memories of two are blurry to say the least. Playing on a matchmaking system is hardly 'taking it up the ass' though. By playing a matchmaking system on a console only removes small details such as round limit, direct map choice, constant radar and a few other things. Even in hosted maps these are beyond the control of the average player anyway, unless you have a fair and easy going host. Sometimes you get one but most of the time you don't.

And yet on these very forums you constantly see consoletards proclaim that gamers have no right to expect or demand anything because corporations know best.

I rarely see that. No one will say 'you have to play this game even though it sucks' and why would they? They may reply that it doesn't suck but that doesn't mean that everyone has to play a particular game. You have a warped view on these things.

It's the PC's nature to offer things like superior graphics, superior input options, command consoles, dedicated servers, development tools and other things. When we receive these things it is standard treatment, nothing out of the ordinary and nothing unexpected. It's what the PC is all about. To consoletards it may seem like we're living the clouds, but that's just their perspective. They can't comprehend the idea of PC gamers expecting things that consoles do not have.

As I said before, because it's standard doesn't mean demanding it is not elitism.

Mouse control and different screen resolutions are absolutely fundamental, standard features on the PC. If a port doesn't include those then it can fuck right off to console land because it has no place on the PC. Again you claim that expecting even the most bare essentials is elitism.

Ah but you didn't read what I said. I claimed that expecting a purely better experience because the game is on the PC is elitist. I don't consider wanting a good game (or even working game) because you just want a good game is elitist, nah not at all. But then you do have things like mouse controls which improve the game (depending on tastes) so again, I'm not exactly sure how it fits in.

Apparently PC gamers are just scum who have no right to expect, demand or wish for anything, despite the fact that they're paying customers.

Woah, I didn't say that. I think that you should pay more attention and calm down. I see nothing wrong with being a PC elitist granted you don't ram it in peoples faces. If you want a better experience than you have every right to demand it.

I can't see this argument going anywhere. I'm willing to keep it going but I have a feeling that neither party is about to back down.

 

[Bigeyez]

PC gamers have the stereotype of being elitist bastards just like how Xbox players have the stereotype of all being high pitched 12 year olds.

It's a stereotype based a little on reality, but blown out of proportion. Just like any other sterotype in existance.


Edit: A lot of the posts in this thread pretty much explain why a lot of gamers think PC players are elitist douchebags. So there ya go.

 

[Katana314]

To anyone saying the PC players are being unfair to expect "standard" features on their platform, I point you to this joke article I wrote:
http://www.ablanknotebook.com/journal/?p=10

To anyone saying that PCs are just better in each and every way: You're wrong, and shut up.
To anyone saying that Xbox fans always make unfair complaints about the PC: You're wrong, and shut up.
Now in the above two lines, replace PC with XBox and vice-versa, and we're done here.

 

[Kstreitenfeld]

Well most of the PC Gamers I know are very elitist, and "up their own asses" as one might say. I've never met one who isn't...

now are you saying they are "up their own asses" just because they dislike consoles and may jokingly bash them from time to time or are they genuinely being assholes about it?

 

[Danny Ocean]

As a PC gamer I view Xbox live as a place for a bunch of 11 year olds

that is why.
PC gamers always seem to come off as self righteous pricks who consider any non-pc gamer below them and think that they are superior just because they play on pc.
they refuse to take any else's opinion and always want to seem smart for some reason.

Uh. Don't you agree with the quoted sentiment? I've got live, and I'd have to say he's pretty much right on the money. Perhaps that's just my experience, my accent must attract lambasting.

point proved.

No, not proved. You have no way of knowing who made that image. It's meant as a joke, don't take it seriously.

Man, this thread is crazy.

There are too many different points to argue, so I'll just say this, as a quadruple platform gamer [footnote]My PC and 360. Best friend's PS3, and friend's Wii. I visit them both often.[/footnote], with a preference to PC's:

Spoiler: Click Here

PCs:
spacerFlexible; Capable of being more powerful; Varying in price, it can be argued that they are both cheaper and more expensive, depending on how you look at it; Have access to free stuff on the web; Not that high maintenance- most games auto-patch, just like on my 360; Not really subject to viruses; more complicated; have a different interface.

Summary: Computers are objectively superior tools in many ways, but are much more complicated, a bit more expensive, and require not insignificant effort to build, should choose to do so. Also fun if you like tinkering.

Consoles:
spaceInflexible; Often less powerful; Cheaper at default, but everything seems to cost (I gawped at the 70 pound RRP for my 360's wireless adaptor.); The 360, at least, suffers from subscription costs; Can be pirated, and often are, but it's harder; have a different interface.

Summary: Easier, cheaper at point of use, no effort really needed, uniform hardware; however, more expensive in the long-run (50 pounds for a game! Erk! 70 pounds for wireless! Come on!), far more limited capabilities, and, surprisingly, less reliable (in my experience![footnote]My 360 has RRoD twice, and laserburned two disks. PC has never broken. Must just be me.[/footnote]).

Both are good. It just depends what you want.
spaceIf you want ease of use, go console. If you want adaptability and capability, go PC. Be warned though, you'll need to put in some effort and a bit more cash for the latter.

Simple: PC's are more powerful, but more complicated and can be more expensive; Consoles are simple and cheap, but very limited and have hidden costs.

Easy, right? Pick the one that's right for you.

PC gamers are not being elitist.

space[footnote]Thanks for the article, Katana314.[/footnote]A recent interview with developer Infinity Ward has shown plans to release Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 for the Nintendo Wii in Q2 2010. The move has surprised many, including myself, due to the major differences between the 360 and Playstation 3 platforms, versus the Wii's low-graphics, motion-oriented standards. When asked about how they would be incorporating motion controls into the game, Infinity Ward Assistant Designer Nodda R. Guy replied;

"In simple terms, we won't be. We've been committed to providing an equal experience on all platforms, and we'd like to include the Wii in that. We don't fully trust the Wii's motion controls to be fair to everyone, and it would also mean one feature that the 360 version doesn't get. After seeing hundreds of titles that only get motion controls on the Wii, but not on the 360, we feel this is just desserts, in a way."

With the subtraction of motion controls comes another equalizer, in which IW mentioned that they may be 'toning down' graphics for release on the Wii, due to its less powerful graphics processor. Of course, citing their policy of an equal experience, this means the 360, PS3, and PC versions of the game will have reduced, blocky textures and fewer special effects to keep everything the same for everyone.

Pissed off yet?

Try and have some empathy for your PC-gaming brethren, console players. They are gamers just like you. They are accustomed to more because they put in more effort and pay more[footnote]A lot of the time, anyway.[/footnote]. Complaining when they don't get what they are used to and- indeed- expect isn't a bad thing. After all, these things have been standard for a long time. What if cars started being sold without steering wheels, having a lever instead?

Hell, why aren't you complaining about the subscription fee, lack of keyboard support[footnote]Not because it's a better controller, it's just that typing with thumbsticks is so damn slow.[/footnote], lack of dedicated server system for most games, and dated hardware?

This all boggles me.

 

[teutonicman]

Because everybody likes to have a whipping boy.