Why do people hate JRPGs?
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I guess people think of the stereotypes?
They also think off the unchanging combat mechanics.
To which I say:
Buffed up chest pumping space marines
and
You wouldn't ask a FPS to completely change the combat now, would you?
And most JRPGs do change the combat drasticly, I mean compare FFI to FFXIII hell compare FFXII to FFXIII. The combat is completely different, is it not?
Back to stereotypes allot of that only exists in FF. In the words of Extra Credits, when the FF series has a bad name people assume the whole genre is in decline. And well, my personal favorite game of all time is a JRPG with none of those stereotypes.
It's dark cloud 2/chronicles.
They also think off the unchanging combat mechanics.
To which I say:
Buffed up chest pumping space marines
and
You wouldn't ask a FPS to completely change the combat now, would you?
And most JRPGs do change the combat drasticly, I mean compare FFI to FFXIII hell compare FFXII to FFXIII. The combat is completely different, is it not?
Back to stereotypes allot of that only exists in FF. In the words of Extra Credits, when the FF series has a bad name people assume the whole genre is in decline. And well, my personal favorite game of all time is a JRPG with none of those stereotypes.
It's dark cloud 2/chronicles.
Ummm.... KH1+2. They aren't your average JRPG let alone SERPG.e.wlmo4 said:
And as I and Extra Credits said:
That's one company your using to describe them all.
I don't hate them, I just find the gameplay pretty uninteresting. The storylines can be pretty damn awesome, though, FFX taught us that.
probaly because of stereotypes for example: Tokyo hipster looking emo guys saving the world the only exceptions I know of are Chrono Trigger and the mother series
What I like about some (not all) JRPGs are their soundtracks. i am actually playing Persona 4 while typing this, and I just can't get enough of the battle theme.
It gets me pumped up for some reason.
Listen Here
http://www.gametabs.net/files/201 Reach Out To The Truth -Inst version-.mp3
It gets me pumped up for some reason.
Listen Here
http://www.gametabs.net/files/201 Reach Out To The Truth -Inst version-.mp3
And last breakthrough in FPS's was Quake and Chess has been in stagnation for centuries so obviously they must also be bad.Terramax said:
I dont like the artstyle in general.
I dont like the androgyn angsty teen character look.
I dont like unrealisticly huge weapons or unpractically silly armor that would either be impossible to move in or just gives you disadvantages in battle (one example: spikes and such, it looks cool but is just an additional lever for the enemy's blow's power).
I dont like too linear games or too much grinding or too many map encounters.
And i really hate if they use western mythology just to steal names and not caring about everything else, a few do but it gives me the shivers.
reasons enough?
I dont like the androgyn angsty teen character look.
I dont like unrealisticly huge weapons or unpractically silly armor that would either be impossible to move in or just gives you disadvantages in battle (one example: spikes and such, it looks cool but is just an additional lever for the enemy's blow's power).
I dont like too linear games or too much grinding or too many map encounters.
And i really hate if they use western mythology just to steal names and not caring about everything else, a few do but it gives me the shivers.
reasons enough?
Well, there's Q3 (online arena fighting), Goldeneye (4 player multiplayer), Halo (co-op, console based FPS), Far Cry 2 (ultra-realism), CoD: MW (political), Half Life 2 (revolutionary, innovative physics (apparently, not played it myself)), Portal (small time FPS makes serious killing).Plinglebob said:
I'm sure a major fan of the FPS can probably come up with me.
And chess isn't a genre. Neither are there slightly different ruled versions of chess constantly being shoved on the shelf at £39.99 every week.
People are haters dood. Trying to figure out why haters hate is kind of a waste of time. It all boils down to a matter of opinion and what you look for in a game, because I can certainly say without a shadow of a doubt I could point out any flaw you might have for a JRPG and apply it to any other genre out there. If you hate the japanese and their culture chances are JRPGs just aren't for you and that's fine you're not the target audience dood. But for the rest of us who can appreciate the games for what they are lets continue to enjoy them without worrying about what people's valueless opinions are. As an old say goes, opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one but not everyone cares to hear them dood.
But you're still pointing at something and shooting. Also, Quake had online multiplayer and Duke Nukem had co-op.Terramax said:
Anyway, JRPGs have gone multiplayer (Eternal Sonata, Tales of Vesperia), Political (FFXII), futuristic (Star Ocean), Real time battles (Magna Carta 2, Tales series) so saying they haven't changed is an illusion. The only thing that hasn't changed is that each one has a cast of characters and a liniar story and this is a good thing considering one of the strong points JRPGs have over WRPGs is (in my opinion anyway) a better story.
I don't like turn-based combat in general, the characters come across as abominably irritating, and I'm aware that JRPGs tend to be incredibly long. Final Fantasy X is an excellent example of this from first-hand experience. I really like Persona 4 though, and Disgaea's not too bad either.
For me usually
1. Poor combat. The JRPG I've seen do combat the best was kingdom hearts, and even that isn't even close to being in the same league as games like God of War.
2. Bad characters. I'm not even talking about the common "androgynous teenage boy" problem, though I'm not a fan of that either. My bigger problem is that most of these characters don't even act remotely similar to real people. The archetypes that they fall into aren't even realistic archetypes. They usually have all these moral convictions, obligatory integrity, or devilish evilness that are just completely unbelievable, especially in life or death situations.
3. Convoluted anime plots. Any remote similarity to final fantasy 8's plot, no matter how slight, is enough to classify a plot as an indecipherable pulp of horrible writing.
1. Poor combat. The JRPG I've seen do combat the best was kingdom hearts, and even that isn't even close to being in the same league as games like God of War.
2. Bad characters. I'm not even talking about the common "androgynous teenage boy" problem, though I'm not a fan of that either. My bigger problem is that most of these characters don't even act remotely similar to real people. The archetypes that they fall into aren't even realistic archetypes. They usually have all these moral convictions, obligatory integrity, or devilish evilness that are just completely unbelievable, especially in life or death situations.
3. Convoluted anime plots. Any remote similarity to final fantasy 8's plot, no matter how slight, is enough to classify a plot as an indecipherable pulp of horrible writing.
I haven't really tried any jrpgs. Partially because very few of them exists on PC and partially because they just don't seem that interesting to me. They just seem so... silly.
They also seem to be missing things that to me are key features for RPGs. When I play RPGs I want to be able to:
a: change what kind of person my main character is, or at least have some say in the matter.
b: have some say in how the storyline develops. Railroading is ok in other games, but an RPG is only really good if you as a player at least have some impact to the story.
Also The Spoony one haven't exactly improved my view on JRPGs
http://spoonyexperiment.com/category/final-fantasy-viii/page/2/
http://spoonyexperiment.com/category/game-reviews/final-fantasy-x/
They also seem to be missing things that to me are key features for RPGs. When I play RPGs I want to be able to:
a: change what kind of person my main character is, or at least have some say in the matter.
b: have some say in how the storyline develops. Railroading is ok in other games, but an RPG is only really good if you as a player at least have some impact to the story.
Also The Spoony one haven't exactly improved my view on JRPGs
http://spoonyexperiment.com/category/final-fantasy-viii/page/2/
http://spoonyexperiment.com/category/game-reviews/final-fantasy-x/
Loving the insane ass-backwards logic of hating on JRPGs because they're 'unrealistic'.
Being unrealistic is what separates video games from...you know, real life?
This just in, FFXV involves the central character aspiring for an office job in a tall skyscraper constructed of various shades of brown and grey. When you level up, you get promoted.
Realistic enough?
Being unrealistic is what separates video games from...you know, real life?
This just in, FFXV involves the central character aspiring for an office job in a tall skyscraper constructed of various shades of brown and grey. When you level up, you get promoted.
Realistic enough?
Personally I love JRPG's, but it is a shame that they have got a bad reputation from, what I can tell, is no reason at all!
Where I live it is hard just to get a copy of a 'normal' western RPG let alone a JRPG no matter how good it is and when I do get a copy from Amazon or such like and play it then talk to my friends about it they don't seam to like the game just because of the lable.
Maybe it's one of those game ganres where people brand them and they are ignorant about the games in place. Like people thinking that all FPS's are all really violent and blood thirsty but there are exceptions like MGS4- snake eater or portal!
Os maybe it has a bad name because people are ignorant about the games and if those people learned why it is popular then it wouldn't have a bad name any more!
Where I live it is hard just to get a copy of a 'normal' western RPG let alone a JRPG no matter how good it is and when I do get a copy from Amazon or such like and play it then talk to my friends about it they don't seam to like the game just because of the lable.
Maybe it's one of those game ganres where people brand them and they are ignorant about the games in place. Like people thinking that all FPS's are all really violent and blood thirsty but there are exceptions like MGS4- snake eater or portal!
Os maybe it has a bad name because people are ignorant about the games and if those people learned why it is popular then it wouldn't have a bad name any more!