Why do people seem to think Gamepads are better than KB+M?
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Both have their genres they're better at, but let's face it:
If you were crazy, crazy rich and had the money to get a team of experts to design the perfect control device for a given sub-genre, having plenty to get a different one for each and every single different control scheme,
Would you ever say "sure, that KB+M or controller is just perfect for this. It's utterly impossible a superior device would exist."?
If you were crazy, crazy rich and had the money to get a team of experts to design the perfect control device for a given sub-genre, having plenty to get a different one for each and every single different control scheme,
Would you ever say "sure, that KB+M or controller is just perfect for this. It's utterly impossible a superior device would exist."?
Space 'em ups like EVE = keys'n'mouse
2D fighters = pad
Dance Dance Revolution = neither...
Guitar Hero = proprietary plastic toy
Flight sims = flight stick
FPS's = whatever IP suits the platform
Everything = personal preference
...aaaand we're done (that list can continue on to include smartphone games, various IP's designed for tablets, and so on).
Seriously, shouldn't a thread like this be a sticky? And also locked for posterity? Maybe build a monument, too, so in the future people can say 'Wow, remember when people bothered to talk about different inputs for different content, and how different people are different? How silly!'.
2D fighters = pad
Dance Dance Revolution = neither...
Guitar Hero = proprietary plastic toy
Flight sims = flight stick
FPS's = whatever IP suits the platform
Everything = personal preference
...aaaand we're done (that list can continue on to include smartphone games, various IP's designed for tablets, and so on).
Seriously, shouldn't a thread like this be a sticky? And also locked for posterity? Maybe build a monument, too, so in the future people can say 'Wow, remember when people bothered to talk about different inputs for different content, and how different people are different? How silly!'.
To be fair, you are new and didn't know(as someone else said) this and pc vs consoles tend to get people really riled up.Gankytim said:
What it mostly comes down to in all these is personal preference. Some games I prefer my keyboard and mouse (like the Diablo and Starcraft series) some games I prefer a game pad (most platformers). Sometimes the button combos I have to do on a keyboard are harder to do for me than the ones for a game pad. But then I'm also one of those I don't have an allegiance to consoles or PC and I have a PC, PS3, 360, and a Wii (as well as a PS2 and a N64).
Razer has something called the orbweaver (which is itself a modified design they bought from nostromo or someone else years ago; EDIT: they bought it from Belkin), but it's only for one hand and is basically just a chunk of a keyboard with macro support and a thumbpad. It's not ergonomic in the slightest (and way overpriced); there just isn't any competition in the market to spur on better designs or cheaper options.zehydra said:
I actually use all control options depending on the game (Saints Row II for PC was so badly optimized I used to play mouse and keyboard while on foot with a gamepad ready when I got into a vehicle), but I generally default to keyboard and mouse for both precision and that both hands have direct access to more keys without shifting hand position. My hands will hurt from any control system (they are simply too big to fit comfortably), so I've never been attached to any one method for comfort's sake. I really like those things that strap onto a ps3 or xbox360 controller that remap buttons to your fingertips. I also loved joysticks, but just like the games they were made for, they are something a niche item these days.
A computer interface with the flexibility and fingertip access of a keyboard, the precision of a mouse, and the rumble and comfort of a gamepad would be great. It's not hard to see where the steambox controller came from with criteria like that.
Not to mention the hostility that arises from discussions of preferred game genres, platforms, and series...Zhukov said:
TheKasp said:
Really? Because I started on a keyboard, about thirty years ago, and I still think it's horrible. When does one get "used" to it?
I would really love that combination, to be honest.Cerebrawl said:
Well, in most cases because it's true.lacktheknack said:
Ohhhh....You meant that as....So you didn't mean....*ahem*
In fairness, how can you possibly like someone if they enjoy slightly different things than you?Vigormortis said:
I mean, I had this friend once. Let's call him Tom. Tom actually enjoyed FPS for some reason. Now, I don't. What a conundrum, right? It totally kept me up at nights, because him enjoying something I didn't impacted me in so many ways, like....
Ow! I think my tongue got stuck in my cheek!
Because KB&M make my wrist and fingers cramp. A game pad just feels better in my hands, and it's less irritating for me.
Interesting you mention Rogue Legacy, that's one of the few 2D platformers I used a controller for. Not because of the down thrusts but the left and right dashing. For some reason my tiny brain wasn't able to parse it using the keyboard and using the left and right bumpers on a controller felt a lot better.Cerebrawl said:
Yes, this, THANK YOU! I was gonna throw my hat into the ring and say games work fine with either method, depending on the game. Hawken is best played with a KB+M. Try playing Dark Souls with a keyboard and mouse. I dare all of you...shrekfan246 said:
Because kb and m controls are terrible. There akward and all over the place. Turning is a nightmare in fps's ,camera control sucks on a mouse and reticule combat on mmos is horrible on kb and m. Theres so many games that just play smoother on a controller and so many games that would play better on a controller that are forced to use kb and m cause there trapped on pc for some damn reason. Oh and all you "but kb and m are better on shooters" ppl can shut the hell up. No, no there not. Period.
IKR? I hate that my friends actually have fun playing a casual shooter on consoles!TheKasp said:
well technically there ARE scopes in RO2Ultratwinkie said:
man id like that game so much better if it wasnt so glitchy... and if it didnt crash so much... and if it had less shitty open maps, and if it had a better weapon selection
alright needs a ton of work, but i like the basic gameplay, which is saying a lot, i thought i hated realistic games, that free game promotion was amazing
Well I started playing video games with a controller so that's why I prefer to use it. I've noticed, for myself at least, games that I've used both KB+M and a gamepad, I simply have more fun using the controller. Can't really explain it, but my logic is that gamepads were made with the sole intention of being used to play videogames, while KB+M controls were taken from the available setup. I'll admit that playing an fps is much better using KB+M, but other than that genre I prefer a gamepad.
I'll toss my opinion in the pot and say I prefer shooters with keyboard and mouse. It's a lot easier to point at things I want to die with a mouse. I sometimes get disoriented when aiming with analog sticks, so if given the option, KB/M all the way. Point and click adventure games also feel more natural too, even if something like Telltale's recent games are fine with controllers
HOWEVER, as someone who plays platformers on a regular basis, keyboards with 3D platformers (as well as most other 3D action games that don't require PC ) are not comfortable. Analog sticks allow you to precisely and quickly move as well as rotate the camera at the same time. Have you ever tried to change camera angles with keyboard buttons? It's not great, let me tell you! 2D platformers are fine with a keyboard though.
But generally, I prefer using controllers. They sit in my hands better, cause less cramping, and less buttons to mash or accidentally press.
HOWEVER, as someone who plays platformers on a regular basis, keyboards with 3D platformers (as well as most other 3D action games that don't require PC ) are not comfortable. Analog sticks allow you to precisely and quickly move as well as rotate the camera at the same time. Have you ever tried to change camera angles with keyboard buttons? It's not great, let me tell you! 2D platformers are fine with a keyboard though.
But generally, I prefer using controllers. They sit in my hands better, cause less cramping, and less buttons to mash or accidentally press.