Why do people STILL bash FFX-2?

[Xerek]

"Disasterific"

There you go.

This was the video game equivalent of Blues Brothers 2000. While it may or may not have been that bad, it unzips and relieves itself all over its predecessor. In one fell swoop, it destroys the characters and backstory of X. Yuna and company travel the world, face emotional hardships and loss, and save the world. Yet Payne (who?!?) is the "worldly one", while Yuna and Rikku act like 13-year old schoolgirls hopped up on sugar?

X had a serious story and atmosphere, and a general growing dread that you were not going to get that "perfect" ending. The revelation of what had to be done to stop Sin. Then breaking the cycle only to find out what price THAT would bring. And the final cinematic was heartwarming and breaking all at the same time. X-2 starts with a rock concert. Really? And the whole plot involves working to undo all of the consequences of X to get that happy ending...which only happens if you do everything exactly right.

Disasterific. I had fought nausea, but held strong. Until Yuna said "Disasterific". Yes, yes Yuna, it is.
-Xerek

PS: I loved Mystic Quest. But you had to know what it was. It sold for just $20, and the box stated it was an intro JRPG. I knew what I was getting into. In college it acted as the gateway drug for two friends who then immediately moved on to FF2 (FF IV). Now, many years later, my son asked for a "reading game". I tried to think of something simple for starting readers that he may still like...and Mystic Quest came to mind. He got sidetracked, but managed to finally beat it, loving every minute. It really is "baby's first JRPG", but it's a good one for that. Besides, it has one of the best soundtracks out there.

 

[Chibz]

Because it's still a terrible game.

All final fantasies try to do something different.
they can't appease everyone, nor do i want them to. I love that square and now squenix doesn't give in to what people want, otherwise they would churn out boring repetitive identical rpg one after the other.
FFXIII tried something different, people didn't like it.
I don't care I quite like XIII. X-2 is no different.
Some people will like it, some won't.
I personally don't like the new one XIV, but alot of people do, so that's their opinion.

I've played the FF series since I was 6 years of age, my first game being VIII (which I still love despite all the bitching people do about it), it doesn't mean I'm right either.
X-2 terrible. you want a game that's "terrible"? Play mystic quest or Children of Mana *shudder*, then maybe you'll appreciate X-2 a little more.
-Tabs<3-

Actually, strictly speaking Mystic Quest is superior. Mostly because the game went the duration OF the game without thoroughly pissing me off. Pretty much every game after 6 managed to annoy me, 'cause that's when the series got constantly more insipid & similar.

 

[Gindil]

It's been said before it was fan service and didn't improve on ffx regarding plot, charecters or anything other then a different combat system. also i keep hearing/reading people say tidus bitched a lot but i dont actually recall him bitching all that much or at all, so at what ppoints did he *****?

In the first game?

He was truly a whiny bastard. For the most part his entire "this is MY story" bit just came off grating and it didn't help that his voice actor got that part right.

Mainly, Tidus as a main character was an emotional wreck that we never got to know before his trip to Spira. If we had gotten to play around in Zanarkand, maybe I would have cut hims some slack, but as it stands... >_<

His character development took a while to get going, but I was kinda glad to see Yuna earn a happy ending for all with great sacrifice. It's kinda telling when I liked Auron and [that guy in red who Tidus knows] more than Tidus himself.

 

[Esvees]

FFX was where I really started loosing interest in the series; the story was still pretty good and it played ok, but I just hated the way the character designs just went completely overboard on the japanese teenage schoolgirl pop idol look. It just wasn't possible to take any of the drama seriously coming out of the mouth of a manga-haired weirdo with a pachinko parlor for pants.

FF X-2 basically just made that worse by specifically catering to that crowd, who seem to have hijacked the series ever since. I mean, really, have you seen the outfits and hairdo's they gave some of the supposedly "serious" characters? I actually forced myself to finish it and well, as others have pointed out it was rubbish and unnecessary in pretty much every other area too.

 

[Strain42]

"I got banned from games just because I yell "you suck" at the players"

"According to the complaint, you yelled it at 5 year old girls..."

"WHO SUCK! Why is this so hard to understand!?"

 

[Amnestic]

[For the most part his entire "this is MY story" bit just came off grating and it didn't help that his voice actor got that part right.

It was particularly annoying since, for the most part, FFX wasn't his story. It was Yuna's.

 

[pharaoh malik]

Haven't actually gotten around to playing it yet, though I kind of want to now -- what with all this talk about it. >w> I've played X and holy shit it's amazing. The only reason I have YET to pick up X-2 is because of the addition of that one new character (dunno her name but the one with the white hair who had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FIRST GAME!) That is what bugs me! I get the feeling she's like supposed to be a replacement Lulu, and hell I didn't really like Lulu all that much but why the hell did you have to bring in some random chick that is obviously trying to replace her or counter act the spunkiness of Yuna and Rikku. It just seems too forced. I mean, seriously. :|

THAT's why I haven't played it yet. -dies- Kind of a lame reason but if it was really just Yuna and Rikku running around changing costumes I'd probably be more accepting of the idea.

 

[SinisterDeath]

Compared to most games that came out that year, who gived a shit about the stories? I tuned out the story and just enjoyed the Gameplay and the Fan Service.


You may not have known this, but in japan, FAN SERVICE IS HUGE.
There was a game for the ps3 released awhile back, That was 100% fan service.
It goes by the name of bayonetta.

Dress up?
So what?

Who here has played
WoW?
Sims?
Dragonage
Oblivion
Fallout 3

Guess what.
Everytime you equip an item in those games, purely for 'looks', your doing nothing more than 'dress up'.
Sims being the ultimate 'Doll house game' when you actually step back and go' WTF I've been playing dolls! GAH!! **POKES EYES OUT***

When it comes to FFX-2, I actually LOVED the combat system.
It was faster paced, 'real-time-ATB' It worked.

The 'dress-up' was nthing more than an appeal to the japanese Girl Audiance, as well as the ever popular.
JOB SYSTEM.
That one thats so very popular in FFXI, and uhh.. FFV? (I think its 5, its been awhile) and Tactics.
Job system has always been fun, Harkins back to D&D and there 'class' system, Who doesn't want to be a lvl 100 Blue Mage lvl 100 Dragoon?

They integraed there 'dress sphere' with 'summons' in such away it added a new strategy to the entire game.

And the most powerful outfit. For the First Time in FANTASY Was NOT the most revealing outfit, but a Full Body ANIMAL costume.

Story? Getting tidus back is more of a 'happy ending' to the 'bad ending' of FFX. (Bad ending doesn't mean it Sucked, just that it ended in tragedy. May not know this, But every game/movie that has a 'tradegy' ending post titanic, fail box-office wise.

Just look back at how many games/movies this decade that have a 'bad ending' (in that its a tradegy) fail in sales.

X-2 was a 'heres your happy ending fan service, now stfu'.

Oh, and unlike FFX, X-2 had something akin to a 100 level dungeons of "OWE STOP RAPING ME IN THE ASS" as you got further down, I've been told its harder/longer than the equivolent in FFX. The game had more total 'play-time' than FFX did. And honestly, if your going to play a game, to 100% completion. the gameplay has to be GOOD.
Story? That don't matter. IF I replay a game, more than once, the story doesn't matter. the GAMEPLAY DOES. Because I only 'need' to see/read/watch/listen to the story once to know what happens. I don't have a 2 minute memory and 'forget' everything that happened after Ibeat the game. Thus If I complete a game more than once, and to 100% completion, It best have good gameplay, and X-2 Did as far as I'm concerned. Beat FFX's for sure.

As for FF games of the ones I've played top = best, bottom = worst.

FFVI
FFVII
FFVIII
FFIII
FFI
FFII
FFXIII
FFX-2
FFX
FFIX
FFXI
FFXII

those that suck at roman numerals that goes
6
7
8
3
1
2
13
10-2
10
9
11
12

I haven't played 14, but from what I heard, it might get placed between 9 and 12.

 

[ComicsAreWeird]

[spoiler\]If you complete the game 100%, they actually do find you know who, because the aeons dream him back into existence and in a new game plus, he can join your blitzball team[/spoiler]The first 3 or 4 hours is all dedicated to "girl power go yeah".
The rest of the game is actually alot of fun, and the sidequests kept me entertained for hours.
It sucks I had to do 3 playthroughs before I finally got 100% but the plot involving that was well worth it.
I'm guessing you didn't even bother finishing the game, so you wouldn't know that, right?
-Tabs<3-

I played the game for way more than just 3 or 4 hours. I gave the game a chance just because it was a sequel to a game i enjoyed. I´ll admit i liked the Youth League versus New Yevon conflict and the way it would affect the game, but the whole Shuyin and Lenne plot wasnt very compelling IMHO. I disliked the mission structure, the plot wasnt getting my attention and the fact that i had to play with the tv set on "mute" really drove me away from the game.

As for the whole 100% thing you mentioned...i was unaware of this. But i wont be playing a game i dont like just so i can potentially enjoy the ending. I´m not against "girl power go yeah" games. But i do have something against changing a complex character like Yuna to a point where all that made her character interesting (the sense of honor and sacrifice that comes with the summoner role is an amazing character arc) is erased.

Just my 2 cents. Cheers

 

[Daedalus1942]

Because it's still a terrible game.

All final fantasies try to do something different.
they can't appease everyone, nor do i want them to. I love that square and now squenix doesn't give in to what people want, otherwise they would churn out boring repetitive identical rpg one after the other.
FFXIII tried something different, people didn't like it.
I don't care I quite like XIII. X-2 is no different.
Some people will like it, some won't.
I personally don't like the new one XIV, but alot of people do, so that's their opinion.

I've played the FF series since I was 6 years of age, my first game being VIII (which I still love despite all the bitching people do about it), it doesn't mean I'm right either.
X-2 terrible. you want a game that's "terrible"? Play mystic quest or Children of Mana *shudder*, then maybe you'll appreciate X-2 a little more.
-Tabs<3-

Actually, strictly speaking Mystic Quest is superior. Mostly because the game went the duration OF the game without thoroughly pissing me off. Pretty much every game after 6 managed to annoy me, 'cause that's when the series got constantly more insipid & similar.

I don't understand when people say that...
Every single game, they change the battle system and most of the game.
If ANYTHING, up until VI, most of those games were similar. I fucking hated V, but alot of people seem to like it. once again, it's all subjective.
As for the game series being similar after VI, I say you're delusional. The only two that were remotely similar would be VII and IX, and even then they're not all really that similar.
Both had incredibly fun sidequests though.
And the chocobo training in IX was so much fun.
-Tabs<3-

 

[Phoenixlight]

I didn't really like the battle system in it, if you didn't choose an attack/spell in like 3 seconds the enemy would attack you. Final fantasy X was just so much better giving you time to think about what you wanted to do.

 

[Daedalus1942]

[spoiler\]If you complete the game 100%, they actually do find you know who, because the aeons dream him back into existence and in a new game plus, he can join your blitzball team[/spoiler]The first 3 or 4 hours is all dedicated to "girl power go yeah".
The rest of the game is actually alot of fun, and the sidequests kept me entertained for hours.
It sucks I had to do 3 playthroughs before I finally got 100% but the plot involving that was well worth it.
I'm guessing you didn't even bother finishing the game, so you wouldn't know that, right?
-Tabs<3-

I played the game for way more than just 3 or 4 hours. I gave the game a chance just because it was a sequel to a game i enjoyed. I´ll admit i liked the Youth League versus New Yevon conflict and the way it would affect the game, but the whole Shuyin and Lenne plot wasnt very compelling IMHO. I disliked the mission structure, the plot wasnt getting my attention and the fact that i had to play with the tv set on "mute" really drove me away from the game.

As for the whole 100% thing you mentioned...i was unaware of this. But i wont be playing a game i dont like just so i can potentially enjoy the ending. I´m not against "girl power go yeah" games. But i do have something against changing a complex character like Yuna to a point where all that made her character interesting (the sense of honor and sacrifice that comes with the summoner role is an amazing character arc) is erased.

Just my 2 cents. Cheers

That's the thing. I think X-2 was their way of showing all the characters from the first game in a much more cheerier light.
X in many ways was very depressing.
The ending with tidus, the whole spira idea (spiral of death), sin, and the numerous people you see him kill. It was a dark fucking game.
X-2 was kind of like the lighthearted "yeah, everything turned out just fine" chapter.
Wakka's son proves this fact.
Yuna didn't have to sacrifice herself in the first game, she went against the teachings and emerged victorious. Obviously if you prove your "religion" (that's what it pretty much was in X) was wrong, surely you would become quite a bit more rebellious. This is what happened in X. I think people read way too much into X-2.
-Tabs<3-

 

[Daedalus1942]

I didn't really like the battle system in it, if you didn't choose an attack/spell in like 3 seconds the enemy would attack you. Final fantasy X was just so much better giving you time to think about what you wanted to do.

Umm... pretty sure you can alter that setting in every single final fantasy game...
Bar XI and XIV.
-Tabs<3-

 

[88chaz88]

Because it's a joke.

 

[ComicsAreWeird]

That's the thing. I think X-2 was their way of showing all the characters from the first game in a much more cheerier light.
X in many ways was very depressing.
The ending with tidus, the whole spira idea (spiral of death), sin, and the numerous people you see him kill. It was a dark fucking game.
X-2 was kind of like the lighthearted "yeah, everything turned out just fine" chapter.
Wakka's son proves this fact.
Yuna didn't have to sacrifice herself in the first game, she went against the teachings and emerged victorious. Obviously if you prove your "religion" (that's what it pretty much was in X) was wrong, surely you would become quite a bit more rebellious. This is what happened in X. I think people read way too much into X-2.
-Tabs<3-

Well...i´m glad the game worked for you then. Because my opinion remains the same, the events might make them more "cheerful" and "rebellious", but Yuna was out of character in MY opinion.FFX -2 fans must accept that.

A fan of the game asked for our opinions in a forum and we gave our opinions. Why are the fans being so defensive? You already assumed that i didnt play enough of it to make a valid opinion and that i´m reading "too much into into FF X-2". I respect that you enjoy the game...you should respect that i didnt, despite the fact that i gave it a chance.

 

[Engarde]

I don't know, it lacked Tidus, points for that....

Other than that, I remember combat flowing well enough and such, but it was some time ago that I played it and didnt play far enough in for the story to kick in.

 

[Amnestic]

Final Fantasy X-2
Genre(s): Console Role-playing Game.

Story? That don't matter.

what.

May not know this, But every game/movie that has a 'tradegy' ending post titanic, fail box-office wise.

This is categorically false. Assuming you mean the James Cameron 1997 production of Titanic and not any of the earlier incarnations, to say that every game/movie with a tragic ending failed is just laughable. Hell, you even admit that FFX had a tragic ending and it was one of the best selling FF games ever. Your own post points out your flawed argument.

 

[LightspeedJack]

I never finished it. The bosses in Act 5 were fucking impossible.

 

[Daedalus1942]

That's the thing. I think X-2 was their way of showing all the characters from the first game in a much more cheerier light.
X in many ways was very depressing.
The ending with tidus, the whole spira idea (spiral of death), sin, and the numerous people you see him kill. It was a dark fucking game.
X-2 was kind of like the lighthearted "yeah, everything turned out just fine" chapter.
Wakka's son proves this fact.
Yuna didn't have to sacrifice herself in the first game, she went against the teachings and emerged victorious. Obviously if you prove your "religion" (that's what it pretty much was in X) was wrong, surely you would become quite a bit more rebellious. This is what happened in X. I think people read way too much into X-2.
-Tabs<3-

Well...i´m glad the game worked for you then. Because my opinion remains the same, the events might make them more "cheerful" and "rebellious", but Yuna was out of character in MY opinion.FFX -2 must accept that.

A fan of the game asked for our opinions in a forum and we gave our opinions. Why are the fans being so defensive? You already assumed that i didnt play enough of it to make a valid opinion and that i´m reading "too much into into FF X-2". I respect that you enjoy the game...you should respect that i didnt, despite the fact that i gave it a chance.

I'll respect that you didn't like the game when you admit you just didn't like the game rather than it being a bad game.
You said it was a terrible game. That's your opinion, it doesn't make it fact, and clearly there were just as many people who enjoyed it as those that didn't.
It's another case of Deus Ex Invisible War. It wasn't a bad game, just most people didn't like it because it wasn't the first one.
I believe the case is the same in this instance.
It's just your opinion, doesn't make it fact.
-Tabs<3-

 

[MeMe]

I never played X but I played X-2 and I thought it was terrible. Does that help?