I'm pretty sure Italy was in Civ IV?Midnight Crossroads said:
At least I kind of remember trying to ally up with them to go attack everyone as Germany, maybe it was somebody else...
Why do you suppose Canada is never a civilation choice in the Civilation games?
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At least I kind of remember trying to ally up with them to go attack everyone as Germany, maybe it was somebody else...
Because Canada for most of its existence was a British colony. Only relatively recently (compared to entire British History in American Continent) did it get real independence and autonomy. Arguably this was in 1922 but truly it was not till 1982 when Canada FINALLY gained the right to change its constitution regardless of permission from Britain.
Then again, I've never played civilisation.
My knowledge of history suggest you can't have a stone age Canadian. Cultures spread, evolve and adapt. Canadians today came from Europeans who were largely culturally influenced by the Romans and Christianity who were in turn influenced by the Greeks and Babylonians and before that it gets even more complicated going back to stone age.
that's what I didn't get about Civilisation. Real human civilisation came out of a group of homo sapiens who left Africa via what is now Saudi Arabia. It split off into so many different groups with different aims, goals and ideas. The idea that you start with one group and stick with them through to space-travel and you can somehow control these groups, leaders are leaders, they are much more at the whim of the fickle needs and desires of their people.
You may be a leader who doesn't want war, but if your people want war then you may very well be deposed by someone who will have the people's support.
Then again, I've never played civilisation.
My knowledge of history suggest you can't have a stone age Canadian. Cultures spread, evolve and adapt. Canadians today came from Europeans who were largely culturally influenced by the Romans and Christianity who were in turn influenced by the Greeks and Babylonians and before that it gets even more complicated going back to stone age.
that's what I didn't get about Civilisation. Real human civilisation came out of a group of homo sapiens who left Africa via what is now Saudi Arabia. It split off into so many different groups with different aims, goals and ideas. The idea that you start with one group and stick with them through to space-travel and you can somehow control these groups, leaders are leaders, they are much more at the whim of the fickle needs and desires of their people.
You may be a leader who doesn't want war, but if your people want war then you may very well be deposed by someone who will have the people's support.
Pretty much for the reasons mentioned here, it is still technically a colony of the UK.
Those saying that the US shouldn't be there, the US won a war against its colonial master, and within a little more than a century was the most powerful nation on the planet. Its massive quantities of land, resources and industrial might also mean that the US was and still is a major political and cultural force. Even if they didn't exactly invade other countries, its a conglomeration of states that forms a powerful political force. That's an empire.
Those saying that the US shouldn't be there, the US won a war against its colonial master, and within a little more than a century was the most powerful nation on the planet. Its massive quantities of land, resources and industrial might also mean that the US was and still is a major political and cultural force. Even if they didn't exactly invade other countries, its a conglomeration of states that forms a powerful political force. That's an empire.
Hey I take offense to that. Australia was the first allied nation to fire shots in both World War One and Two. Interestingly enough, in both cases they were aiming at the Germans.. or to be more specific the Germans that had the bad luck to be in Australian Harbors when their country declared war.Atticus89 said:
One of the Beyond The Sword mods has Canada. Also, we haven't really done anything independently until the late 40's, I believe.
He lived on the wrong side of Lake Ontario. Personally I have no problem with Canada being left out for not having a long history or large impact militarily (we have had many scientific and social impacts however) but the fact that the Iroquois, a group of stone age primitives who didn't even count as a civilization until that term was specifically redefined so they could be included due to political correctness run amok bothers me quite a bit. This is coming from someone who is native canadian btw, my native ancestors realized the white man must be doing something properly, ditched their traditions and moved to the city in the 19th century and their descendant didn't live with poverty and addiction as a result.tehroc said:
I am just going to say that Canada does plenty of things just not go to war which is why people don't notice us as much. At no point in history have we made assholes of ourselves in front of the whole world and well if that means not making it into some games I don't mind I would rather live in a safe peaceful country than one who would up n go to war at the drop of a hat.
We kinda have an interesting cultural identity. Such that we're sorta hard to notice.
Honestly, we really don't need to be in a civ game.
Honestly, we really don't need to be in a civ game.
I have absolutely nothing against Canada, but I believe the sad truth of the matter is that Canada isn't that iconic of a nation. Speaking as a non-Canadian, there doesn't seem to be an overwhelming cultural identity that immediately identifies a representation as undeniably Canadian (unless we're going for stereotypes like Mounties), nor has Canada ever really had a political leader with worldwide recognition.
If you made Canada a civilization, what would be your criteria for excluding Australia, or New Zealand, or ... the list goes on. It's a very nice country, I'm told, but Canada has yet to change the course of world history dramatically. I would echo that point made by others though, that the US is a rather weakly justified country to have on the list.
Sir John, Eh? just happened to be the first to get power. Other than his rampant drinkery, he wasn't terribly noteworthy.CM156 said:
No way, the Canadian leader should have been John George Diefenbaker, with the Avro Arrow as the special military unit.
No one will ever build one.
Because there are a finite number of options and Canada isn't a particularly significant country (sorry Canadians).bdcjacko said:
