Why does Titanfall require 50GB of space?

[TomWiley]

Welp, I didn't think it would actually be 50gb on disk. Well it's official, now we know why:
[HEADING=2]35 fucking gigs of uncompressed audio. [http://www.joystiq.com/2014/03/11/titanfall-pcs-48gb-install-the-result-of-uncompressed-audio/][/HEADING] [h4]The actual game is 13-14GB.[/h4]

Basically the audio files take up more space than all of World Of Warcraft + Expansions, or all of Battlefield 3 + DLCs (vastly newer engine/graphics, 28 maps, 70+ guns/vehicles).

This is the stupidest thing I have heard in the PC world for a very long time, and I've encountered a lot of stupid things.

An even more important question is; why is this such a big problem to so many people with most discs being 1tb or more?

I take it you're not familiar with Solid State Drives and why people usually install their frequently-played games on said drives, and why 50gb for 1 game can be a problem for SSD users.

Why would you install a game on an SSD to begin with? It'll do pretty much nothing for the game's performance. You might get marginally faster loading times, but if that was an issue to begin with then you need a new GPU or CPU, not an SSD.

I have a 256 gb SSD which I use for the OS and programs, and I keep games and media where they belong, on the hard drive.

 

[ProtosOmega]

If I remember from the Beta (it's not out in Australia until tomorrow, so I can't play it yet), a faster load time wouldn't matter to begin with.

The game waits until everyone on the initial launch has loaded, and the load time of a map is relatively quick on a normal HDD. There are definitely games worth installing on an SSD, Titanfall is not one of them.

 

[Aaron Sylvester]

If I remember from the Beta (it's not out in Australia until tomorrow, so I can't play it yet), a faster load time wouldn't matter to begin with.

Why would you purchase the game in Australia? You will be at a disadvantage against US/Asia players with far lower pings than yours. There are no Aus servers.

 

[Strazdas]

Folks, relax, this is Origin. Origin flat out lie about file and download size. They download PACKED files and unpack locally, however the client still tells you you are downloading at the speeds it would take them unpacked, hence completely unrealistic downlaod speeds that anyone with network logs can point you out false. this is why your getting 38GB done in minutes - your actually downloading 4 GB instead.
And game clients were getting more and more bloated. I mean heck some games have grown 4 times in size with barely any added content. Its like developers decided "fuck it they got large HDDs lets not compress files"

bandwitch is costly hur dur

the problems is not that there are (minimal) costs of internet. the problem is that ISPs are litteraly scamming you out of the money with bandwitch caps. even with the economic plans most people pay way too much for what they get. for example i pay 20 dollars a month for uncapped unlimited 100mbps connection. and the ISP TUNRS A PROFIT on me. and i do transfer a lot of data, just this weekend there was over 70 GB of traffic from my end. Altrough, granted, most of it was limited to europe.
Also while bandwitch is limited resource, any ISP that doesnt have enough bandwitch to support uncapped download of its users in 2014 deserves to go bancrupt. they are obviously ridiculously inefficient.

I think this is why I feel myself pulling away from PC gaming. The push for digital and huge amounts of data in an age where people still have caps along with other issues.

you should be pulling away from scamming ISPs instead.

And yet here I am.

It's all well and good to say that I'm being scammed, but at the end of the day, I refuse to buy Titanfall if it's that large, and it really didn't have to be (there's no way a beta will be 10 GB and the full thing will be 5 times that size).

then you are the reason you get scammed. instaed you should refuse to buy internet services that give 50 gb caps. Heck, back in 2003 when i got my fiber optics we had 100 GB cap that quickly rose to 1000 GB because users wanted more. at no additional costs btw. we had 2000 gb cap in 2008 back when the caps died.

And you know why is this even a thing? Because Origin doesn't have a bloody language change feature that Steam had for years. ELECTRONIC ARTS: CHALLENGE EVERYTHING (inluding common sense).

they have been challenging common sense ever since 2006

@ the people saying stuff like "get better internet": This is BS. You simply can't expect everyone on the planet to have the same access to internet connection someone in major American cities has. Data caps and slower speeds are the norm in many countries.

Oh, we definatelly can expect everyone on the planet who can afford videogames (thus excluding those without electricity ect) to have at least basic internet (which is sadly often better than what even major american cities has, you internet-third-world).
Data caps and slow speeds are the norm in countris which allow retarded internet monopolies. Such as US or UK. you know, two slowest internet countries in developed world.

An even more important question is; why is this such a big problem to so many people with most discs being 1tb or more?

because the target audience (US) still lives in the internet stone age.

I remember back when I was shocked to find that Sam & Max needed 250mb of disk space. Now I feel old.

ech. Starcraft takes 200 MB? better delete something!

This is the stupidest thing I have heard in the PC world for a very long time, and I've encountered a lot of stupid things.

SSD yay

Oh you havetn been following closely then have you. Audio files taking huge spaces were prominent long time ago. Heck, the reason Oblivion cut content (arenas in all cities) is because they couldnt fit the audio on the discs. that was released in 2006. Audio takes a lot of space when there is a lot of dialogue in game and always did.

Also SSD is a luxury item. You can run the game perfectly fine on a HDD.

The game waits until everyone on the initial launch has loaded

this is VERY bad. i saw games that do the same. Cue a shitty dialup user timing out while map is loading = you can go and make yourself some team before it loads. and drink it too.

 

[Foolery]

I think this is why I feel myself pulling away from PC gaming. The push for digital and huge amounts of data in an age where people still have caps along with other issues.

you should be pulling away from scamming ISPs instead.

Yeah? Trying living in Canada, pal. My options are pretty limited where I live. It's this or nothing, and I need the internet for work. You must know little of the monopoly and collusion, that telecom companies have in my country. Along with the fact that the CRTC (Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission) does fuck all about it.

 

[lacktheknack]

And yet here I am.

It's all well and good to say that I'm being scammed, but at the end of the day, I refuse to buy Titanfall if it's that large, and it really didn't have to be (there's no way a beta will be 10 GB and the full thing will be 5 times that size).

then you are the reason you get scammed. instaed you should refuse to buy internet services that give 50 gb caps. Heck, back in 2003 when i got my fiber optics we had 100 GB cap that quickly rose to 1000 GB because users wanted more. at no additional costs btw. we had 2000 gb cap in 2008 back when the caps died.

Well, good for you! I'm not in control of my internet. I didn't purchase it.

 

[Strazdas]

Yeah? Trying living in Canada, pal. My options are pretty limited where I live. It's this or nothing, and I need the internet for work. You must know little of the monopoly and collusion, that telecom companies have in my country. Along with the fact that the CRTC (Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission) does fuck all about it.

Which is why monopolies continue to abuse costumers. costumers not willing to inconvenience themselves to make a stand against them. You do have a very sparse population in canada though which could excuse the bad services outside major cities, but that's about it.
Granted, your not going to quit your job because protesting against bad internet now, which is why they got you trapped in the first place.

Well, good for you! I'm not in control of my internet. I didn't purchase it.

Then your in no position to complain either.

 

[Foolery]

Yeah? Trying living in Canada, pal. My options are pretty limited where I live. It's this or nothing, and I need the internet for work. You must know little of the monopoly and collusion, that telecom companies have in my country. Along with the fact that the CRTC (Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission) does fuck all about it.

Which is why monopolies continue to abuse costumers. costumers not willing to inconvenience themselves to make a stand against them. You do have a very sparse population in canada though which could excuse the bad services outside major cities, but that's about it.
Granted, your not going to quit your job because protesting against bad internet now, which is why they got you trapped in the first place.

Honestly, if I had the funds I'd create my own telecom company. Sparse population is definitely an issue.Companies won't go into an area if they figure the numbers are too low. Which often results in one company slowly moving in and setting up shop, while keeping others out.

We could also cover far more rural areas and so on if they made better use of cellphone networks. But nah, they want to charge obscene rates for that as well. A 3G internet key costs 80 dollars a month or more and comes with a 20GB cap.

 

[Strazdas]

Honestly, if I had the funds I'd create my own telecom company. Sparse population is definitely an issue.Companies won't go into an area if they figure the numbers are too low. Which often results in one company slowly moving in and setting up shop, while keeping others out.

We could also cover far more rural areas and so on if they made better use of cellphone networks. But nah, they want to charge obscene rates for that as well. A 3G internet key costs 80 dollars a month or more and comes with a 20GB cap.

Well, cell phone internet is also quite expensive here (3 dollars per 1 GB) but thats because actuall cell internet is much more expensive to provide rather than cable. For those 80 dollars a month they could easily lay down the fiber optics and still turn a profit if they manage to sign you into something like 2 year deal.

 

[lacktheknack]

Well, good for you! I'm not in control of my internet. I didn't purchase it.

Then your in no position to complain either.

This is literally the worst conclusion I've heard this week.

I can't download something because of two reasons: 1. It's ludicrously large, and 2. I have a low cap for reasons beyond my control, and you're telling me I can't complain about reason 1 because of reason 2?

-______-

Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me-

 

[Strazdas]

Well, good for you! I'm not in control of my internet. I didn't purchase it.

Then your in no position to complain either.

This is literally the worst conclusion I've heard this week.

I can't download something because of two reasons: 1. It's ludicrously large, and 2. I have a low cap for reasons beyond my control, and you're telling me I can't complain about reason 1 because of reason 2?

-______-

Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me-

You misunderstood. What i meant was that you cannot complain about your internet quality since somone else is buying it for you or whatever other case it is that makes you not responsible for getting it.

 

[lacktheknack]

Well, good for you! I'm not in control of my internet. I didn't purchase it.

Then your in no position to complain either.

This is literally the worst conclusion I've heard this week.

I can't download something because of two reasons: 1. It's ludicrously large, and 2. I have a low cap for reasons beyond my control, and you're telling me I can't complain about reason 1 because of reason 2?

-______-

Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me-

You misunderstood. What i meant was that you cannot complain about your internet quality since somone else is buying it for you or whatever other case it is that makes you not responsible for getting it.

Well, no, obviously. However, I came in here to complain that Titanfall, the first multiplayer-only game I was considering buying, is too damn big, which I think I'm in my rights to complain about.

Now, apparently Origin is a dirty liar and the game is actually much smaller than the mentioned 50 GB, but I'm not grasping how it can send me 50 GB uncompressed files can be crammed into a 14 GB download. IF you can explain that, I'll be happy.

 

[Eldritch Warlord]

Makes me wonder as well, how many DVDs is Titanfall coming on on the PC? And also with the Xbox 360 version, how is THAT going to work?

The Xbox One version of Titanfall is about 17GB, that would fit just fine on two DVDs. If you account for lower quality textures and audio for Xbox 360 then the game may well be on a single DVD.

 

[ProtosOmega]

If I remember from the Beta (it's not out in Australia until tomorrow, so I can't play it yet), a faster load time wouldn't matter to begin with.

Why would you purchase the game in Australia? You will be at a disadvantage against US/Asia players with far lower pings than yours. There are no Aus servers.

Normally I would agree with you, HOWEVER, I played on US servers in the beta (for some reason I consistently got better pings than on Asian servers), and I could easily hold my own.

Titanfall (at least with my experience in the beta) has exceptional net code, allowing for people at 200 ping to stand toe to toe with players on 30 ping.

Makes me wonder as well, how many DVDs is Titanfall coming on on the PC? And also with the Xbox 360 version, how is THAT going to work?

Came out on 3 disks.

Thanks for that. So the same as Battlefield 4.

 

[Gergar12_v1legacy]

You people are making me scared... I am sticking to my disks unless they can sell me a 100 terrabite drive for less than 150 dollars. But than they just make games that are 500 gb. Compress your god damn files, we don't have the technology to keep all that memory.

 

[Flutterguy]

Well I guess skimping out on the harddrive wasn't the best move after all. I'm running 500g. Not cool EA.. not cool.

 

[thom_cat_]

This is only a problem because Origin has no localisation options as Steam does - with steam you only download the language files that are appropriate for your settings; and you can request further languages to be downloaded. Origin apparently doesn't have this - at least for Titanfall.

As for people talking about caps not being a thing, change your provider, blah blah blah. COME TO AUSTRALIA. It's as if you people don't realise that there are a shitload of people still with slow, shoddy, expensive internet connections with ridiculous limits and no alternatives.

I've had a lot of trouble fitting Titanfall onto my computer, and I have 2 SSDs and 2 1TB hard drives. It's a monstrously large install.

 

[Strazdas]

Well, no, obviously. However, I came in here to complain that Titanfall, the first multiplayer-only game I was considering buying, is too damn big, which I think I'm in my rights to complain about.

Now, apparently Origin is a dirty liar and the game is actually much smaller than the mentioned 50 GB, but I'm not grasping how it can send me 50 GB uncompressed files can be crammed into a 14 GB download. IF you can explain that, I'll be happy.

I agree that the games size here is something worth complaining about. however your response to me that i quoted made it look that your complaining that you dont have as good internet as me, which granted may have been a misunderstanding on my part.

Origin has been a durty liar all the time. they do this for almost every game. even worse, they actually count your extracted file size in their download speed which sometimes end up showing you 2 or 3 times the download speed of the actual download, thus pretending its faster than other clients.

file compression is very much dependant on the content. for example text can be compressed up to 20 times, meanwhile video - very little. It is not unheard of heavily compressed game installs. Another example i had to deal with lately was WOrld of Tanks. the game offline isntaller takes 6.8 GB in a compressed archive. meanwhile installed it takes over 16 GB. same is true in, for example, windows install. Windows 7 install fits in 1 DVD - in 4.3 GB. however installed it takes 15 GB or so. plenty of games take far more installed than the disc holds.

As far as this particular case of audio compression, there are multitude of ways. For example the most popular Free Lossless audio codec (FLAC) reduces the file size by up to 50-60% without loosing any quality. When you play it, it decompress it in memory, which gives more work for the processor (but for audio thats negligible with modern processors), however i manages to sustain quality with half the size on disc. Its even worse with video. A full frame (uncompressed) video in comparison to lossless compressions or comrpessions where qiality is still high enough for most people to see no difference can be something like 5 times the size.

Now, my theory, and im guessing here, is that they are compressing the files extremely here for download, however decomperssing them (at least in the audio department) so audio can run with as little processing as needed. They do this to be able to run on low end hardware - consoles, and they probably simply didnt recode the whole system for PC and just left it like that.

You people are making me scared... I am sticking to my disks unless they can sell me a 100 terrabite drive for less than 150 dollars. But than they just make games that are 500 gb. Compress your god damn files, we don't have the technology to keep all that memory.

but we do. a 3 TB hard drive (you can install 60 titanfalls in it, well ok probably only 59 due to manufacturers using wrong calculation) can be bought for 150 dollars.
If anything, its the optical discs that are running out of space. DVDs seems to be on the brink of not cutting it anymore, meanwhile blue rays are overpriced and misused.

As for people talking about caps not being a thing, change your provider, blah blah blah. COME TO AUSTRALIA. It's as if you people don't realise that there are a shitload of people still with slow, shoddy, expensive internet connections with ridiculous limits and no alternatives.

Come to, well, anywhere but australia and US.
your argument is same as we should starve ourselves because there are people in africa that are starving. no. its them that should catch up and its same for shitty internet providers. and the only way to make them catch up is stop throwing them money for shitty service.

 

[thom_cat_]

As for people talking about caps not being a thing, change your provider, blah blah blah. COME TO AUSTRALIA. It's as if you people don't realise that there are a shitload of people still with slow, shoddy, expensive internet connections with ridiculous limits and no alternatives.

Come to, well, anywhere but australia and US.
your argument is same as we should starve ourselves because there are people in africa that are starving. no. its them that should catch up and its same for shitty internet providers. and the only way to make them catch up is stop throwing them money for shitty service.

Thanks for completely missing the point. Well done.

@ the people saying stuff like "get better internet": This is BS. You simply can't expect everyone on the planet to have the same access to internet connection someone in major American cities has. Data caps and slower speeds are the norm in many countries.
Of course service providers should improve their data plans and infrastructure but this doesn't change anything about the fact that it shouldn't download unnecessary files in the first place.

I'm on a reasonably fast and uncapped connection myself but I wouldn't want to wait twice as long for my download just because EA thinks everyone needs to have all the language packs.

This was my point, said by someone else. Nobody is asking for what you're saying. Construct your strawman somewhere else.
Aaaaaaalso "and the only way to make them catch up is stop throwing them money for shitty service." is ridiculous. "The only way to make all the internet providers charge you differently for shoddy infrastructure is to change to dialup, then they'll want your service and will change" - NO. The way for change is by not voting for Tony fucking Abbott (politics is the way to change).

 

[JohannBB]

Just FYI, The Elder Scroll Online Beta is 60 Gigs in size.