Why doesn't Yahtzee try Multiplayer very much?

[arcticphoenix95]

Because he thinks "people are shit."

people are generally shit though.

 

[pretentiousname01]

compare it to food. Where the meat and potatoes of the game are in the single player. Completing it is like that feeling you get after a large meal.

Multiplayer is desert. All sugar and sweets. Too much of it and you get sick really easily.

When I finished red dead. I sat back and considered my emotions. I was sad that it was over. However all the incredibly enjoying segments that I consumed left me feeling very full and satisfied. Now was time to digest.

Multiplayer, ehh. It was fun to take over cuperosa with some buddies. Trying to get the 10 min wanted achievement. Where people who had recently died went off to intercept the other players that were trying to stop us. It was fun. After doing so though I didn't have that same sense of accomplishment that I had for the single player.

 

[Xanadu84]

I know I'm being a bit...persistent here. But really, honestly, if you read Yahtzees multiplayer article, while thinking of Sex like a multiplayer game, it might very well be the single funniest thing Yahtzee has ever said or written. I can't stop re-reading it. And, it actually raises some very interesting and thought provoking criticisms of his stance.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/extra-punctuation/6832-Extra-Punctuation-On-Multiplayer

 

[lucky_sharm]

In other news, Dungeons and Dragons, Chess, and Sex all suck because they are primarily multiplayer, with little of no single player component.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/extra-punctuation/6832-Extra-Punctuation-On-Multiplayer

I think you should take a look at that article again. He starts off quoting some guy criticizing Yahtzee for not trying the online multiplayer portion of Modern Warfare 2. Online multiplayer. That's what the article was primarily about. Online multiplayer. And I'll quote this part here.

When you play online with someone, you're not a human being to them. You're just another little mewling voice in the magic box of secrets. If you're not in the same actual room, poised to punch them in the face, only their entertainment matters.

He does talk of his experiences of playing multiplayer with his friends in some of his video reviews such as Left 4 Dead and Modern Warefare 2, so he doesn't hate multiplayer. He just hates online multiplayer.

 

[Z(ombie)fan]

Because like a fair few people he's old fashioned and thinks games should care more about the story than sticking you with a bunch of whiney racist American teens, and I salute him for it.

/Thread.

 

[Iron Mal]

But on the other hand, like everyone else, he is entitled to his opinion just as I am entitled to disagree with it.

I feel like it's important to point out that just because you have the right to say something, doesn't mean that they are not completely wrong. Saying he is entitled to his opinion really isn't another, different hand. It a redundant statement of the first amendment (Or just the principle of free speech, to use less of an American framing.) Of course he has the right to say such things. He said it. And now we can point out the flaws as much as we want. On multiplayer, Yahtzee doesn't need any defending to soften the criticism. I mean, its not like he does that for anyone else...

I think you might have slightly misinterpreted the point I was trying to make, of course he has the 'right' to say as he wants (in fact, I never made use of the word 'right' or any references to the principle of free speech) but here's the thing, he's allowed to have an opinion because it is exactly that, an opinion.

Being allowed or entitled to say something doesn't affect the validity of it in the slightest (I can see where you might have thought otherwise, but this means you probably took my use of the phrase 'on the other hand' a little bit too literally, in retrospect, using the word 'however' would have been a better choice).

 

[Arenari]

Yahtzee is one of my favorite game reviewers and all around nerds, but there's one mistake he tends to make: He'll play a shoddy tacked-on Single Player campaign and review that and forget the multiplayer- which is sometimes the whole focus of the game! If you're going to play Battlefield or Halo or AvP or any other recent multiplayer game or whatnot for the singleplayer only, you are not going to like it very much at all. Why does he do this?

Ok, if he is one of your favorite reviewers, then you should know why. If not, then go read his Extra Punctuation article on multiplayer. He explains it all in there.

 

[The Singularity]

He dislikes online people. He focuses more on the 10 year olds screaming into their mikes and cussing than on the rest of the multi-player people. It happens.

 

[Xanadu84]

But on the other hand, like everyone else, he is entitled to his opinion just as I am entitled to disagree with it.

I feel like it's important to point out that just because you have the right to say something, doesn't mean that they are not completely wrong. Saying he is entitled to his opinion really isn't another, different hand. It a redundant statement of the first amendment (Or just the principle of free speech, to use less of an American framing.) Of course he has the right to say such things. He said it. And now we can point out the flaws as much as we want. On multiplayer, Yahtzee doesn't need any defending to soften the criticism. I mean, its not like he does that for anyone else...

I think you might have slightly misinterpreted the point I was trying to make, of course he has the 'right' to say as he wants (in fact, I never made use of the word 'right' or any references to the principle of free speech) but here's the thing, he's allowed to have an opinion because it is exactly that, an opinion.

Being allowed or entitled to say something doesn't affect the validity of it in the slightest (I can see where you might have thought otherwise, but this means you probably took my use of the phrase 'on the other hand' a little bit too literally, in retrospect, using the word 'however' would have been a better choice).

I think I just wanted to re-iterate the point because of the way debates tend to go on the internet. I don't think a single thing you said was wrong. I just think that people tend to go, "ITZ MY OPINION< U CANT ARGU WIT IT, 1ST AMANDMANT BITCHEZ". Which leads to a bunch of other people tip toeing around debates, and accidentally giving credence to even the most asinine ideas because they need to point out that people have opinions and can legally express them without being thrown into jail by the guv'ment. Not that Yahtzees idea is asinine. It's just very, very wrong, and reminding people that he is allowed to his opinion seems to imply that developers making choices should take it seriously. Pointing it out seems redundant, partially because were on the internet for chrissakes.

I may not be explaining this properly. If not, just leave it at, "I agree with everything you said".

 

[skystryke]

Yahtzee is one of my favorite game reviewers and all around nerds, but there's one mistake he tends to make: He'll play a shoddy tacked-on Single Player campaign and review that and forget the multiplayer- which is sometimes the whole focus of the game! If you're going to play Battlefield or Halo or AvP or any other recent multiplayer game or whatnot for the singleplayer only, you are not going to like it very much at all. Why does he do this?

He has said on multiple occasions that any game should be able to stand on it's single-player alone and as such he sees no need to play online when he's reviewing a game. And yes I realize this is likely already answered but I'm bored so I'm posting anyway.

 

[Alakaizer]

Yahtzee is one of my favorite game reviewers and all around nerds, but there's one mistake he tends to make: He'll play a shoddy tacked-on Single Player campaign and review that and forget the multiplayer- which is sometimes the whole focus of the game! If you're going to play Battlefield or Halo or AvP or any other recent multiplayer game or whatnot for the singleplayer only, you are not going to like it very much at all. Why does he do this?

I think I'm going to try a different tack on this one, since most people have linked or quoted Yahtzee himself.

So I made this chart!

|Me + |Me |
|Good |All |
|Friends|Alone |
------------------------
Single|Fun to |Get Lots|
Player|Explore|Out Of |
Heavy |Game! |Game! |
------------------------
Multi-|Fun to |Why Am I|
Player|Play |Doing |
Heavy |Game! |This????|
------------------------

My friend Mikos makes lots of games awesome again, and I help him find even more crazy stuff to do in games he plays. Any multi-player would be fun with him, 'cause we make fun of everything. Ditto single-player. Single-player alone, it's got to be a good game, or I'm out. Multi-player all on my lonesome, not gonna happen.

EDIT: the table turned out badly...

 

[TheDude7053]

Yahtzee doesn't want to have to wade through all the assholes just to play a videogame

 

[SoranMBane]

In his own words, it's because he doesn't "give a toss about multiplayer, and neither do a lot of people," 'a lot of people' including myself, which is just another reason why I watch his reviews. A game should be able to stand up on its single player campaign alone, without needing the glorified douchebag breeding ground that is multiplayer to actually seem fun. I play games to be a part of an interesting story, not to get called a fag by ten-year-olds with aspergers syndrome.

 

[AMMO Kid]

I don't blame him. Games should be able to have solid single player without using multiplayer as a crutch. Also, he probably avoids all those pre-puberty kids so good for him.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

Because as he has stated multiple times (And I agree with him fully on it) a game must stand up on it's own two feet with a great single player experience. A game can't hide behind the "I'm mostly for multiplayer" excuse when being judged.

 

[Necrodeth]

what about games like shadowrun, or TF2? From what im seeing in this thread these games are terrible because theres no single player mode or story, but ive played both and had fun with em.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

Playing a game that's designed for Multiplayer and not actually playing the multiplayer portion of it doesn't make a good review. Example: Bad Company 2. It's a freaking Battlefield game and he didn't even touch the multiplayer.

That's not an excuse to not be judged harshly. If it was solely for multiplayer, then DICE wouldn't have wasted their time with the single player.

 

[Arcane Azmadi]

Yahtzee hates online multiplayer because he hates people. Duh.

I can see his point, although I'm considerably more tolerant than he is, and tend to avoid the more popular shit like Halo, Counterstrike and World of Warcraft.

 

[Kapol]

Because not everyone likes multiplayer. I know I hate multiplayer in general because most players online are annoying. Every so often you get a group that's alright, but unless you have enough friends to form a decent team, then it's all a gamble. As well, anyone on 'your side' can act like a completely jerk without repercussions.