Why don't you play games on PC?

[NoNameMcgee]

There's always the fear that whatever game I purchase won't work. I'd hate to spend 60 bucks on something that doesn't work. Consoles don't have that problem. That's why most games on my PC are older, save for Deus Ex: Human Revolution, which works fine half of the time.

If your computer has the minimum requirements, the game will work. I don't know where this idea that games often don't work at all comes from. There can be hardware or software incompatibility problems that prevent a game from working but please understand how rare these actually are. I'm a lifelong PC gamer and its been years since I've had trouble simply getting a game to run in the first place. Some little problems you might encounter in the game itself, well alright I can accept that, but that's a different point entirely. Getting a game to start and work is pretty much just as simple as on a console.

What you're talking about happens most with really old games, not new games. If it happens a lot with new games you must be doing something wrong...

I don't mean not running at all, I mean running like a blender full of hardened concrete. Let me rephrase what I said before:
"I'd hate to spend 60 bucks on something that doesn't work right."
I'm sure I could get Skyrim to run on my PC, but getting it to run faster than molasses on a 176 degree incline would be different.
And I don't really want Skyrim in the first place.

I see, but then its just a case of checking the system requirements so you don't end up throwing 60 bucks away, surely.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

I see, but then its just a case of checking the system requirements so you don't end up throwing 60 bucks away, surely.

At least there are usually things you can do if a PC game chugs and stutters. If a console game does the same you get to eat shit... and while it's not a common problem it is happening more often.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

2 - Price depreciation.

Apart from Steam sales, PC game prices don't depreciate as quickly as console games, so the same game usually becomes cheaper to purchase on console after a period of time.

I've seen PC games depreciate quicker in retail... but thats at places that like to push used console games so it's in their interest to keep release titles inflated.

 

[RustlessPotato]

I wish I was a pc gamer. I can only see advantages. First time I played fallout 3, it was on the 360. A couple of years later I played it on my pc and I just loved the experience a lot more for some reasons. I used to not care for mods, but they seriously enhanced my gaming experience. (especially the one where the hud would be like you're watching through the helmet you're wearing). Little stuff that add to immersion are always great.

Sadly, I can't afford a new gaming rig right now. And that's not because PC's are too expensive, I'm just broke ^^

A pluspoint for consoles would be split screen. My brother and I recently played through all 3 Gears of War games and it was great fun.

I don't mind playing on consoles though, but i'd prefer playing it on PC.

 

[ph0b0s123]

Have to say, 'becuase I want to use a controller' is not a good reason as you can use every controller known to man on the PC.

I don't consider having to buy a console controller to play a PC game to be a point for PCs.

Who said you HAD to buy one. Like everything else with PC, it's optional, unless you are telling there was some PC game that only accepts controller input?

What I'm saying is, if I require a controller to adequately enjoy a game, and consoles already use controllers, and that's my reason for playing consoles, then someone saying "But PCs can use controllers too!" doesn't really put a point in the PC category for me. Because they require an aspect of console gaming I can get by simply using consoles.

Not quite sure I understand what you are on about any more. The whole point from my simple (I thought) starting sentence, all those posts ago, is that if you like gaming using a controller, that is not reason to discount the PC as a platform, as you can use them there as well. I get the impression most console users are not aware that they can take their console controller that they love and plug into a PC and game the way they do on consoles. That was the confusion I wanted to clear up with my original post. Did not know the point would be so controversial.

 

[ph0b0s123]

Point to me where I said said "you can't game on a PC because you can't use a controller".
The point to me where I said "you can't game on a PC because controllers are not the main controller."

And when you can find those statements in my posts (which you won't be able to be, because you just made those up), feel free to remove that massive stick that seems to be lodged so far up your ass that it's causing you to speak words that were never said.

If you don't have the cognitive ability to process the above, here's a nice tl:dr for you; saying "I prefer controllers" is a perfectly legitimate reason to prefer console gaming over PC gaming. Being able to connect a controller to a PC does not negate this.

I bow my hat to you, as you have succeeded in stopping me from arguing the point further, by being a massive tool. It has been a non-pleasure interacting with you.

 

[Aprilgold]

It will not take one second. Here's a deal. Let's both go and buy AC Revelations from a game store. You buy it for the PC, I'll buy it for the Xbox.

Would you be willing to bet money that you could go from computer off to playing the game before I go from Xbox off to playing the game?

The point he is making remains; he brings a game home, presses a button on his controller, his Xbox is on in less than 30 seconds, and with 10 seconds after that (after putting the disk in), he's playing it. You cannot beat that with a computer, no matter how fast your processor is or how high your SSD's write rate is.

Also, protip, concerning your retarded used game statement:

1. The reason you don't have to deal with "used game bullshit" is because the used game market for PCs is almost non-existant.
2. There are no problems with used games on consoles. Regardless of what Pro-PC Gamer sites want you to believe, there is never anything stopping you from enjoying the offline portion of a used game, and furthermore, the number of high profile games that use an online pass isn't as high as you'd like to think (last I checked, CoD doesn't even have one). Granted, the problem exists, but it's not as insane of an issue as you seem to think.

I have a USB Xbox Controller that is instantly detected by Sonic Generations. Yes, it does take one second.

Also, calling someone a retard is against forum rules, matey. I don't have to deal with entering a code to prove I bought the game, not because I dislike used games, I dislike having to enter twelve codes to prove it was a legit purchase. Even profit loss at used games is highly irrevelant. The industry picked up tons of mighty-bad habits from trying to shoot down people who buy the game used and has more or less shot themselves with some games. There are plenty, plenty of triple A titles that do infact require a code. Rage required a code to get into the sewer area. While Batman Arkham City required a code to play as Cat Woman. Call of Duty required a Code to get either access to Multiplayer or a item in Multiplayer. There was a racing game a while back where you couldn't even choose any other car to use if you didn't buy the game's pass or new.

Once again, general tip is that calling someone retarded is actually against the rules, so make sure you think of what your going to say first.

EDIT: I just accomplish what you said would take several hours within two minutes with Assasin's Creed Brotherhood through Onlive. So your point is mute on the basis that it is possible to play a game on PC using a controller with little to no work.

Honestly, you strike me as a console-fan who is raging at nothing. The way you wrote your post and all that definetely shows that you need to calm down and think things out rationally instead of jumping down someone who doesn't agree or like what you like every time.

Try using one that isn't supported by mircosoft, I have to manually download the drivers and configure every button when I want to use it and it's a pain in the ass.

Dealing with used console games is easier, they work just like new games.

It took me a couple minutes to get my PS3 controller working for the first time and now takes less than one second whenever I want to use it. What's the problem again?

Your experience was better than his so now his stance is irrelevant?

Yeah, thats kinda how it works. From his perspective the other persons point is mute, from yours its still valid. Once again, I never had a issue with plugging in my wired Xbox 360 controller and playing a game that was ported to a PC from a console, no problem at all.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

Genuine question: Just how common is split screen these days?

I just seem to remember a few people I've know over the years bemoaning the decline in split screen availability.

 

[Drizzitdude]

I don't have the cash to readily afford to buy a great gaming rig.

 

[Ushiromiya Battler]

Well, guess I'll throw in my experience.
The only prior knowledge of pc building I had when building my own was changing a graphics card.
While I hoarded money I looked up what I should buy, reviews and sites telling how to build a computer.
When I finally had the money, I bought the parts, got them and started building.
I had only one problem and that was being a bit rough while putting in the processor and ruining my motherboard.
That's about it, everything else was easy.

I had a 360 but I sold it when I got a new comp, didn't really use it.
I still use my ps3 for jrpg's and movies.

The thing is, building a computer isn't that hard if you look around on the internet a bit.

And yes, a computer is factually ''better'' than a console, but it all comes down to preference.

And price, price depends on the country, in Norway a computer costs shitloads.

 

[AdamRBi]

I play the majority of my games on my PC. I have a controller for it as well as my mouse and Keyboard, nearly all the games are moddable, and my computer's on most of the day so I don't have to turn anything else on to play.

It does, however, take a lot more effort then it should to get many newer games to work smoothly on my 5 year old computer which is were consoles shine. A game made today for the PS3 and one made back when it first launched will play the same without messing with video options. A game made just last year can barely play on my PC and I don't have the funds to upgrade.

I'd prefer most of my gaming on a computer, but consoles just get you into the game faster and is a much smoother experience.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Just curious, how does the hardcore PC community feel about handhelds?

Can't speak for everyone but I feel for them the same as I do for consoles, theres a few games I'd be interested in trying on some of them but nowhere near enough to bother buying one.

But I do prefer consoles over handhelds for the simple facts that the screen is small and I find them kinda awkward to use, which makes it much less immersive. Also they seem to be designed for "on the go" where as the last thing I want to do when I'm out of the house is play games. Even sitting on a bus or a train or something theres no way I could or would want to get myself lost in a game.

 

[kaioshade]

Despite preferring to do my gaming on a PC, i actually end up using consoles more for a few reasons.

First and foremost, my main computing unit is a Macbook Pro 13" While this is sufficient for very light gaming, and emulators, I will not be playing Crysis on it anytime soon.

Sometimes PC games do not "just work" Messing with configuration settings, and tweaking it, while nowhere near as bad as some people make it seem, it is not always instant. Most of the times, with a console it is just pop the disc in and play. Neither platform is perfect, but consoles provide a simple comfort for me.

That said, once my cash flow is a bit more expendable, i will most likely end up building a nice gaming rig to integrate into my media center.

 

[Merrick_HLC]

Mostly because I don't have a gaming quality rig. I mostly just do wesburfing & such from a laptop.

Honestly most PC games I hear of don't interest me (same can be said of Console I suppose) The only ones I've heard of that truly interest me are the Witcher games, and they don't interest me enough to buy a gaming quality PC just to play them.

 

[Balobo]

Your experience was better than his so now his stance is irrelevant?

Yes because obviously he's doing something wrong.

It will not take one second. Here's a deal. Let's both go and buy AC Revelations from a game store. You buy it for the PC, I'll buy it for the Xbox.

Would you be willing to bet money that you could go from computer off to playing the game before I go from Xbox off to playing the game?

The point he is making remains; he brings a game home, presses a button on his controller, his Xbox is on in less than 30 seconds, and with 10 seconds after that (after putting the disk in), he's playing it. You cannot beat that with a computer, no matter how fast your processor is or how high your SSD's write rate is.

Also, protip, concerning your retarded used game statement:

1. The reason you don't have to deal with "used game bullshit" is because the used game market for PCs is almost non-existant.
2. There are no problems with used games on consoles. Regardless of what Pro-PC Gamer sites want you to believe, there is never anything stopping you from enjoying the offline portion of a used game, and furthermore, the number of high profile games that use an online pass isn't as high as you'd like to think (last I checked, CoD doesn't even have one). Granted, the problem exists, but it's not as insane of an issue as you seem to think.

The used game problem is only going to become bigger and bigger.

Yes, we all know a PC OS takes longer to start up because it's heftier and has to do more. Why turn off your computer if you can just put it in hibernation? Power is not an issue as a plugged-in powered down Xbox still uses a bit of power. I know it's easier to turn on an Xbox 360, but it does less.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

Point to me where I said said "you can't game on a PC because you can't use a controller".
The point to me where I said "you can't game on a PC because controllers are not the main controller."

And when you can find those statements in my posts (which you won't be able to be, because you just made those up), feel free to remove that massive stick that seems to be lodged so far up your ass that it's causing you to speak words that were never said.

If you don't have the cognitive ability to process the above, here's a nice tl:dr for you; saying "I prefer controllers" is a perfectly legitimate reason to prefer console gaming over PC gaming. Being able to connect a controller to a PC does not negate this.

I bow my hat to you, as you have succeeded in stopping me from arguing the point further, by being a massive tool. It has been a non-pleasure interacting with you.

Yes, asking you to show me where you pulled your made up facts from is being tool. If that's the case, I'm definitely a 40-piece Craftsman set.

If you don't have the balls to admit you claimed I said something I didn't, kindly shut up instead of doing the "I'm taking the higher route" bullshit. I'll paste it again for you.

Point to me where I said said "you can't game on a PC because you can't use a controller".
The point to me where I said "you can't game on a PC because controllers are not the main controller."

I'll be waiting when you grow up.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

I have a USB Xbox Controller that is instantly detected by Sonic Generations. Yes, it does take one second.

I think you need to re-read what he actually said, because he never made any claim about how his Xbox "detects" his controller. He meant that he can turn on the XBox with his controller in less than a second. For those of us that are lazy, just pressing and holding the dashboard button on the 360 controller turns it on.

Also, calling someone a retard is against forum rules, matey

Sure is! Good thing I never actually called anyone a retard.

I don't have to deal with entering a code to prove I bought the game, not because I dislike used games, I dislike having to enter twelve codes to prove it was a legit purchase.

Funny, I don't remember having to deal with that recently. Oh, wait, actually, I guess you could count all the pre-order bonus codes I got from the CE of Forza 4

Even profit loss at used games is highly irrevelant. The industry picked up tons of mighty-bad habits from trying to shoot down people who buy the game used and has more or less shot themselves with some games.

This is completely irrelevant to what we're arguing about.

There are plenty, plenty of triple A titles that do infact require a code. Rage required a code to get into the sewer area. While Batman Arkham City required a code to play as Cat Woman.

You need to recheck your use of the word "required" here, because I don't think it means what you think it means.

Call of Duty required a Code to get either access to Multiplayer or a item in Multiplayer.

This is utter bullshit. Please point to me where you needed a code to access multiplier in any of the CoD games. And yet again, your use of the word "required" is incorrect.

There was a racing game a while back where you couldn't even choose any other car to use if you didn't buy the game's pass or new.

...how incredibly specific.

Once again, general tip is that calling someone retarded is actually against the rules, so make sure you think of what your going to say first.

Protip: If I call your opinion stupid, I am not calling you stupid.

EDIT: I just accomplish what you said would take several hours within two minutes with Assasin's Creed Brotherhood through Onlive.

LOL!? Really? OnLive substitutes a PC now? I forgot, PC gamers (when comparing to consoles) frequently like to change up the rules of comparison on their terms. OnLive is not your PC. Our comparison involves buying physical copies of the game, coming home, and playing them.

So your point is mute on the basis that it is possible to play a game on PC using a controller with little to no work.

My point about how long it takes from purchase to play had jack-fucking-squat to do with how easy or hard using a controller was with the respective platform.

Honestly, you strike me as a console-fan who is raging at nothing.

And honestly, you strike me as someone who cannot or is not willing to read, creates convenient PC-biased parameters for the sake of comparison, rages on and on about used games and codes, makes false claims about said codes either existing or being required, and in general a PC fan.

The way you wrote your post and all that definetely shows that you need to calm down and think things out rationally instead of jumping down someone who doesn't agree or like what you like every time.

And the way you wrote your post makes me wonder if you had your 7-year old cousin type it up for you. Thinking things out rationally....yeesh.

Sorry, I need to get up and close my windows. The bells of irony are ringing so hard I can't even hear myself think.

Yeah, thats kinda how it works. From his perspective the other persons point is mute, from yours its still valid. Once again, I never had a issue with plugging in my wired Xbox 360 controller and playing a game that was ported to a PC from a console, no problem at all.

Anecdote != fact.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

The used game problem is only going to become bigger and bigger.

We live in the here and the now. This argument/comparison is occuring in the here and now. So if the problem does not exist in the here and now, it is not relevant to the argument that is happening.

...here and now.

Yes, we all know a PC OS takes longer to start up because it's heftier and has to do more.

THat's fucking wonderful. I didn't make the comparison about startup, someone else claimed it was the same or less than the Xbox. I corrected them. Feel as insecure about it as you want, justify it however you'd like, but when such a comparison is made, you don't get to excuse it with "yeah well it has to do more!". I'm not denying it has to do more...

Why turn off your computer if you can just put it in hibernation?

Ah, of course, yet again, PC gamers playing by their own rules; when comparing the startup times between a 360 and a PC, we of course should be allowed to let the PC hibernate instead of turning off all the way. And by the way, unless you have an SSD, a 360 will still start faster than your computer coming out of hibernation.

Power is not an issue as a plugged-in powered down Xbox still uses a bit of power.

...kind of like, oh, I don't know, every single goddamn thing in your home that plugs into a wall?

Protip: use a voltage meter, and you'll find out how much power that all the things you think are off but are still plugged in are actually using. I think you'll be surprised.

I know it's easier to turn on an Xbox 360, but it does less.

It's not about what the 360 can or can't do. It's about comparing the two for the same activity. I'm not denying a PC is more functional (no shit), but when you make the claim that (a claim which appears to be lost in these pages by defensive PC gamers rushing to tell me how their PC can do way more and is therefore excused) a PC will go from game bought to game played just as fast as a console, you cannot add in artificial factors to that claim. You either take back the claim because it is false and comfort yourself with the fact the PC can do more, or you try and prove that it really is the case.

Whining that "oh, but it only starts slower because it has so much to load because it can do so much more" isn't relevant to the claim I'm rejecting.

 

[Balobo]

We live in the here and the now. This argument/comparison is occuring in the here and now. So if the problem does not exist in the here and now, it is not relevant to the argument that is happening.

...here and now.

We're on the verge of a new fucking console gen. We live in the future. Well, unless you want to keep your 360 forever and ever

THat's fucking wonderful. I didn't make the comparison about startup, someone else claimed it was the same or less than the Xbox. I corrected them. Feel as insecure about it as you want, justify it however you'd like, but when such a comparison is made, you don't get to excuse it with "yeah well it has to do more!". I'm not denying it has to do more...

Haha I don't feel insecure. I own every platform, my PC is just my preferred platform. You seem to be more insecure than anybody else in this thread lol. Okay the 360 may get you into the game 120 seconds earlier. So what? Really, what difference does that make? For the advantage in IQ and responsiveness, I'd say that's a decent trade off. I never turn my computer off except for at night anyways.

Ah, of course, yet again, PC gamers playing by their own rules; when comparing the startup times between a 360 and a PC, we of course should be allowed to let the PC hibernate instead of turning off all the way. And by the way, unless you have an SSD, a 360 will still start faster than your computer coming out of hibernation.

Firstly, I have a pretty mediocre HDD and my PC comes out of hibernation MUCH MUCH faster than the length of time my 360 takes to turn on. Like seriously, a press of the spacebar and my screen is lit in less than ten seconds. We're not talking about these shitty tests, we're talking about REAL WORLD SITUATIONS, which matters MUCH MUCH more than "oh the 360 turns on 34.1 seconds faster than an average PC."

...kind of like, oh, I don't know, every single goddamn thing in your home that plugs into a wall?

Protip: use a voltage meter, and you'll find out how much power that all the things you think are off but are still plugged in are actually using. I think you'll be surprised.

Okay, I don't see what point you were trying to prove here. I am aware that things take up power when they're off. I just said that it doesn't take up much power in hibernation to refute future claims that you might make such as "oh having it in hibernation isn't very power efficient". Jesus Christ calm down.
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It's not about what the 360 can or can't do. It's about comparing the two for the same activity. I'm not denying a PC is more functional (no shit), but when you make the claim that (a claim which appears to be lost in these pages by defensive PC gamers rushing to tell me how their PC can do way more and is therefore excused) a PC will go from game bought to game played just as fast as a console, you cannot add in artificial factors to that claim. You either take back the claim because it is false and comfort yourself with the fact the PC can do more, or you try and prove that it really is the case.

When comparing the two for the same activity, PC still comes up on top in every single way except for maybe start up times. IQ, control customization, online, etc. just everything is topnotch on PC. When comparing DD services on Xbox 360 and Steam, there really isn't anything that different when it comes to going from game bought to game played. I don't need to comfort myself with these facts. If I really wanted to have 360 as my primary gaming platform I would. But I feel like the pros of PC outweigh faster start up times (really, that's all it has). It isn't a false comfort that PC can do more, it does do more. It really isn't that hard to prove it. Tell me how you want me to prove it and I will.

Whining that "oh, but it only starts slower because it has so much to load because it can do so much more" isn't relevant to the claim I'm rejecting.

Lol I'M whining?

Also, please drop the hostile tone. It makes it sound like you take this too seriously and you have nothing else to do or talk about.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

Because you are too lazy to find out where this argument originated, I will do what you decided not, and link you to exactly what I'm arguing about; this post:

I can easily start a game without having to wait for my console to start up everything.

I'm sorry, what?

Between firmware updates, badly optimised loading and trying to log into a service using a keyboard that's used with the controller, you spend just as much time as us waiting for something to start (assuming you don't solely use pre-firmware consoles.)

Edit: Stuff takes a while to load on all disc-based media, console or PC. You get firmware updates, we get patches which might or might not fix stuff, both of us have to log into services a lot, and now with Microsoft saying you can only play your XBLA games using the exact same console AND exact same user you bought them with...

Does the quality of the PC have a single fucking thing to do with "spending just as much time waiting for something to start"? No? Then please, for the love of god, stop trying to make it be.

We're on the verge of a new fucking console gen.

That's fucking wonderful. I'm not talking about "new fucking console gen", I'm still talking about the current gen, seeing as the original fucking claim was made about the current gen. Can you read?

Haha I don't feel insecure. I own every platform, my PC is just my preferred platform. You seem to be more insecure than anybody else in this thread lol. Okay the 360 may get you into the game 120 seconds earlier. So what? Really, what difference does that make? For the advantage in IQ and responsiveness, I'd say that's a decent trade off. I never turn my computer off except for at night anyways.

HOLY. FUCKING. SHIT. If you weren't involved in the claim made that a PC boots and plays a new game faster than a 360, please refrain the fuck from participating in it. I don't give three quarter's of a flying fuck if it's a trade off, what it can do, which one is better, or what grade you got on your most recent math test. I'm countering the statement that the PC boots faster. Seriously, jumping into the middle of an argument with no context whatsoever about what it was originally about makes you look really dim.

firstly, I have a pretty mediocre HDD and my PC comes out of hibernation MUCH MUCH faster than the length of time my 360 takes to turn on. Like seriously, a press of the spacebar and my screen is lit in less than ten seconds. We're not talking about these shitty tests, we're talking about REAL WORLD SITUATIONS, which matters MUCH MUCH more than "oh the 360 turns on 34.1 seconds faster than an average PC."

....sigh.

Okay, I don't see what point you were trying to prove here.

Yes, that much is very, very fucking clear to me.

When comparing the two for the same activity, PC still comes up on top in every single way except for maybe start up times. IQ, control customization, online, etc. just everything is topnotch on PC.

I'm completely speechless as to how little you're actually processing about what I'm saying. Seriously, I don't know how much clearer I can make this; we're (as in, "we" being the people arguing over a single point, not you being the person who decided to butt in without a clue) not talking about the PC being "better overall" or anything like that.

This is how it always goes in these console to PC comparisons.

1. PC fan makes a specific claim about advantage/statement/ability concerning the PC and the 360.
2. Console fan very specifically refutes that fact.
3. Other PC users who have no idea what the original point made in #1 jump in, get defensive, and start making excuses for their platform with reasons that are not related to the original claim.
4. Chaos ensues, console players get annoyed at 9,000 different tangents coming from a million different ends.