Why don't you play games on PC?

[Hazy992]

Maybe because it was so stupid and biased that I didn't really need to say anything else. G'night! You won't be missed!

Actually yes, you have to say something if you want to dismiss something as "stupid". To be precise, you have to say why it is stupid with some actual facts to back your statement up.

Ok then, I have. Read the post below the one you made.

 

[Ryotknife]

Oh look, you offered nothing at all in defense. How surprising. I was totally expecting you to come up with a valid argument. Yup. Was so certain you wouldn't just palm it off and not bother to attempt a justification.

Me: This is why they aren't RPGS *lists several examples*

You: *sticks tongue out*

And we have a winner.

Even the post above you at least acknowledges the issues I raised, lol. You're too much.

I'm off to bed, but I'll miss this conversation.

Maybe because it was so stupid and biased that I didn't really need to say anything else. G'night! You won't be missed!

Oh look, more nothingness. At least offer a fanboi response if you can't come up with a single argument against my own. I showed you why the FF games aren't RPGs, someone agreed with me, and you stuck your tongue out and called me some names. Yeah, I'm the stupid on in this situation, lol.

Not so much haters gon' hate, but fans gon' stick their head in the sand.

if games like FF are not RPGs, then that means that RPGs as a genre did not exist until recently.

and considering that every gaming site has a topic labeled rpgs for decades....then apparently your defintion of a rpg is vastly different from what everyone else defines a rpg.

JRPGs are all about the story, and maybe some gameplay mechanics. but it also leads you by the nose. it is like a digital book or movie.

western RPGs are about immersing in a world with a weak and sometimes non-existent story that focuses rather on exploration and doing whatever the hell you want.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

You're clearly playing a role and there is immersion. You progress, you get immersed in the story and the world and you interact with that world and with NPCs.

You play a role in every game ever made. You can be immersed in every game ever made. You progress in every game ever made. If you mean in 'levels,' then Modern Warfare is as much an RPG as Final Fantasy XIII. You interact with the world? No. You don't; you can't choose how to behave, you can't choose how to talk, you have no influence on how the story plays out, you have no input on your character's interactions with others, you have no player agency in the world except choosing at what speed to walk down the path and what attack to select in a battle-the list goes on. Final Fantasy is a story. A story that plays out without your help. All you, the player, do is click an attack every few minutes and read the dialog.

Any more fallacies?

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

Oh look, you offered nothing at all in defense. How surprising. I was totally expecting you to come up with a valid argument. Yup. Was so certain you wouldn't just palm it off and not bother to attempt a justification.

Me: This is why they aren't RPGS *lists several examples*

You: *sticks tongue out*

And we have a winner.

Even the post above you at least acknowledges the issues I raised, lol. You're too much.

I'm off to bed, but I'll miss this conversation.

Maybe because it was so stupid and biased that I didn't really need to say anything else. G'night! You won't be missed!

Oh look, more nothingness. At least offer a fanboi response if you can't come up with a single argument against my own. I showed you why the FF games aren't RPGs, someone agreed with me, and you stuck your tongue out and called me some names. Yeah, I'm the stupid on in this situation, lol.

Not so much haters gon' hate, but fans gon' stick their head in the sand.

if games like FF are not RPGs, then that means that RPGs as a genre did not exist until recently.

and considering that every gaming site has a topic labeled rpgs for decades....then apparently your defintion of a rpg is vastly different from what everyone else defines a rpg.

JRPGs are all about the story, and maybe some gameplay mechanics. but it also leads you by the nose. it is like a digital book or movie.

western RPGs are about immersing in a world with a weak and sometimes non-existent story that focuses rather on exploration and doing whatever the hell you want.

You must be rather young. First of all, RPGs have existed since the first computer was built and functioned like digital versions of the pen and paper roleplaying games such as Dungeons and Dragons. Secondly, "western RPGs are about immersing in a world with a weak and sometimes non-existent story"? Planescape: Torment is often referred to as the greatest story ever told in video games. It is an RPG. It was made a long time ago.

Do some research and then get back to me.

 

[Hazy992]

You play a role in every game ever made. You can be immersed in every game ever made.

You know what I mean. JRPGs do this more so than in other genres of games

You progress in every game ever made. If you mean in 'levels,' then Modern Warfare is as much an RPG as Final Fantasy XIII.

I don't mean progress as in 'win' I mean as in you get better. You increase skills and unlock new ones to help progress with the story and immerse you into the world more. That's multiplayer and it's just unlocking guns to get a bigger killstreak. It's not the same.

You interact with the world? No. You don't; you can't choose how to behave, you can't choose how to talk, you have no influence on how the story plays out, you have no input on your character's interactions with others, you have no player agency in the world except choosing at what speed to walk down the path and what attack to select in a battle-the list goes on.

How is talking to NPCs to gather info and clues to help you progress not interacting with the world? You're really oversimplifying what you actually do in a JRPG.

Final Fantasy is a story. A story that plays out without your help. All you, the player, do is click an attack every few minutes and read the dialog.

Yes, because all JRPGs are Final Fantasy aren't they? Just like all shooters are COD and all fighting games are Street Fighter.

Any more fallacies?

I don't think you know what fallacy means...

 

[Ryotknife]

Oh look, you offered nothing at all in defense. How surprising. I was totally expecting you to come up with a valid argument. Yup. Was so certain you wouldn't just palm it off and not bother to attempt a justification.

Me: This is why they aren't RPGS *lists several examples*

You: *sticks tongue out*

And we have a winner.

Even the post above you at least acknowledges the issues I raised, lol. You're too much.

I'm off to bed, but I'll miss this conversation.

Maybe because it was so stupid and biased that I didn't really need to say anything else. G'night! You won't be missed!

Oh look, more nothingness. At least offer a fanboi response if you can't come up with a single argument against my own. I showed you why the FF games aren't RPGs, someone agreed with me, and you stuck your tongue out and called me some names. Yeah, I'm the stupid on in this situation, lol.

Not so much haters gon' hate, but fans gon' stick their head in the sand.

if games like FF are not RPGs, then that means that RPGs as a genre did not exist until recently.

and considering that every gaming site has a topic labeled rpgs for decades....then apparently your defintion of a rpg is vastly different from what everyone else defines a rpg.

JRPGs are all about the story, and maybe some gameplay mechanics. but it also leads you by the nose. it is like a digital book or movie.

western RPGs are about immersing in a world with a weak and sometimes non-existent story that focuses rather on exploration and doing whatever the hell you want.

You must be rather young. First of all, RPGs have existed since the first computer was built and functioned like digital versions of the pen and paper roleplaying games such as Dungeons and Dragons. Secondly, "western RPGs are about immersing in a world with a weak and sometimes non-existent story"? Planescape: Torment is often referred to as the greatest story ever told in video games. It is an RPG. It was made a long time ago.

Do some research and then get back to me.

never played planescape torment

im not young, ive played games for over 2 decades. in fact there is a good chance im older than you.

there were a few "d&d" games like neverwinter nights, which goes firmly into the FF definition.

but sure, keep on trolling just because your definition of rpg is different from the VAST MAJORITY INCLUDING THE GAME INDUSTRY ITSELF.

if that is what you believe a rpg is, thats fine. but stop being a jerk because other people do not believe that is what a rpg is and instead believe in the mainstream definition.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

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Your entire argument boils down to: but it IS a RPG because... it's kind of like an RPG.

JRPGs are books, they are movies, they are stories. You, the player, do nothing in them but click on a skill. Clicking on an NPC and it spewing dialog at you is NOT interacting with the world. That's a dialog box popping up.

Again:

You cannot choose how to behave.

You cannot choose how to talk.

You cannot affect the world.

You cannot affect the story.

You cannot alter the events in any way.

You cannot choose how to progress through the story.

You cannot interact with characters beyond clicking on them and reading what they say.

You cannot do anything in combat besides choosing an ability.

Etc., etc., etc...

If that list doesn't prevent a game from being an RPG, any fucking game is an RPG.

You increase skills and unlock new ones [...] it's just unlocking guns to get a bigger killstreak. It's not the same.

Yeah, totally different. In one you unlock the ability to use new weapons and attacks. In the other you unlock the ability to use new weapons and attacks. "Oh, oh, but, but, this one is magic and it's a spell." Colour it any way you like, make any excuse you care to, it won't change the fact that unlocking the access to an ability in a J'RPG' is the exact same system as that found in leveling up in Modern Warfare; get new spells, get new guns, get new abilities, get new killstreak abilities.

Goodnight, lol.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

neverwinter nights goes firmly into the FF definition.

Did you just say Neverwinter Nights is comparable to Final Fantasy? Bahahahaha- No. I can tell you've never even played a Dungeons and Dragons game in your life if you think a pen and paper game is even remotely akin to an interactive movie like Final Fantasy.

 

[Ryotknife]

neverwinter nights goes firmly into the FF definition.

Did you just say Neverwinter Nights is comparable to Final Fantasy? Bahahahaha- No. I can tell you've never even played a Dungeons and Dragons game in your life if you think a pen and paper game is even remotely akin to an interactive movie like Final Fantasy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neverwinter_Nights

"Neverwinter Nights (NWN) is a third-person role-playing video game developed by BioWare"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy

"The franchise centers on a series of fantasy and science fantasy role-playing video games (RPGs)"

final fantasy games on gamespot are under the role playing games category

neverwinter night games are also under the role playing games category.

it seems that most of the world disagrees with you.

but keep being a rebel, that is what kids think is cool nowadays right?

 

[Hazy992]

Your entire argument boils down to: but it IS a RPG because... it's kind of like an RPG.

No my argument is that it's clearly an RPG and those elements show that

JRPGs are books, they are movies, they are stories. You, the player, do nothing in them but click on a skill. Clicking on an NPC and it spewing dialog at you is NOT interacting with the world. That's a dialog box popping up.

No they're not, they're video games. You're again oversimplifying what they are.

You cannot choose how to behave.

You cannot choose how to talk.

You cannot affect the world.

You cannot affect the story.

You cannot alter the events in any way.

You cannot choose how to progress through the story.

You cannot interact with characters beyond clicking on them and reading what they say.

You cannot do anything in combat besides choosing an ability.

So what? These aren't prerequisites as to what constitutes an RPG. You've just decided they are because you don't want JRPGs to be associated with the types of RPG that you like. And you're oversimplifying yet again. And anyway, what do you call Dark Souls and Demon's Souls? Pretty sure they're JRPGs too.

Yeah, totally different. In one you unlock the ability to use new weapons and attacks. In the other you unlock the ability to use new weapons and attacks. "Oh, oh, but, but, this one is magic and it's a spell." Colour it any way you like, make any excuse you care to, it won't change the fact that unlocking the access to an ability in a J'RPG' is the exact same system as that found in leveling up in Modern Warfare; get new spells, get new guns, get new abilities, get new killstreak abilities.

No it isn't. Unlocking a gun in a multiplayer game is not the same as searching out new abilities to advance the story and to immerse yourself in the world. It's not even remotely comparable.

 

[Hazy992]

neverwinter nights goes firmly into the FF definition.

Did you just say Neverwinter Nights is comparable to Final Fantasy? Bahahahaha- No. I can tell you've never even played a Dungeons and Dragons game in your life if you think a pen and paper game is even remotely akin to an interactive movie like Final Fantasy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neverwinter_Nights

"Neverwinter Nights (NWN) is a third-person role-playing video game developed by BioWare"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy

"The franchise centers on a series of fantasy and science fantasy role-playing video games (RPGs)"

final fantasy games on gamespot are under the role playing games category

neverwinter night games are also under the role playing games category.

it seems that most of the world disagrees with you.

but keep being a rebel, that is what kids think is cool nowadays right?

I'm pretty sure the guy's just trolling at this point.

 

[MrHide-Patten]

The Sheldon Cooper retort, I work at my PC. I don't bring play to work, it's just another facets for me to procrastinate on. Consoles also have dedicated ports, I don't have to upgrade a video card or turn down the graphical settings, or worry about DRM. Less barriers in the way from my perspective. Keyborards, too many buttons. I don't care if I can assign a command to each key, it doesn't matter if I can't remember what half of em do.
Console tard for the win.

 

[Hazy992]

Because keyboard and mouse > controller.

And besides at least controllers were actually designed with gaming in mind.

So was the Power Glove, how did that work out again?

I guess a better thing to say is because it's designed with games in mind, it's more diverse for games (at least for me). I don't know about you but I wouldn't be able to play a fighting game or a driving game with a keyboard and mouse, at least not very well. I know K+M is considered better for FPS's and the like but you can still play them well with a controller.

And anyway, I thought his whole point was moot anyway as it's personal preference.

 

[Balobo]

The Sheldon Cooper retort, I work at my PC. I don't bring play to work, it's just another facets for me to procrastinate on. Consoles also have dedicated ports, I don't have to upgrade a video card or turn down the graphical settings, or worry about DRM. Less barriers in the way from my perspective. Keyborards, too many buttons. I don't care if I can assign a command to each key, it doesn't matter if I can't remember what half of em do.
Console tard for the win.

Haha I LOVE the "I do some work on computers do I have to buy a dedicated machine for gaming that adds 300 dollars on top of the cost of the computer I do work on" argument.

 

[Balobo]

I guess a better thing to say is because it's designed with games in mind, it's more diverse for games (at least for me). I don't know about you but I wouldn't be able to play a fighting game or a driving game with a keyboard and mouse, at least not very well. I know K+M is considered better for FPS's and the like but you can still play them well with a controller.

And anyway, I thought his whole point was moot anyway as it's personal preference.

I can easily play a fighting game or a driving game with a keyboard and mouse. However, playing FPS with a controller is hard for me. It depends on who you are.

 

[Hazy992]

I guess a better thing to say is because it's designed with games in mind, it's more diverse for games (at least for me). I don't know about you but I wouldn't be able to play a fighting game or a driving game with a keyboard and mouse, at least not very well. I know K+M is considered better for FPS's and the like but you can still play them well with a controller.

And anyway, I thought his whole point was moot anyway as it's personal preference.

I can easily play a fighting game or a driving game with a keyboard and mouse. However, playing FPS with a controller is hard for me. It depends on who you are.

A controller is more well rounded though is what I'm saying.

 

[Balobo]

I guess a better thing to say is because it's designed with games in mind, it's more diverse for games (at least for me). I don't know about you but I wouldn't be able to play a fighting game or a driving game with a keyboard and mouse, at least not very well. I know K+M is considered better for FPS's and the like but you can still play them well with a controller.

And anyway, I thought his whole point was moot anyway as it's personal preference.

I can easily play a fighting game or a driving game with a keyboard and mouse. However, playing FPS with a controller is hard for me. It depends on who you are.

A controller is more well rounded though is what I'm saying.

About the same as a keyboard and mouse for me.

Doesn't really matter for me because I can just plug in a controller, but whatever.

 

[Hazy992]

I guess a better thing to say is because it's designed with games in mind, it's more diverse for games (at least for me). I don't know about you but I wouldn't be able to play a fighting game or a driving game with a keyboard and mouse, at least not very well. I know K+M is considered better for FPS's and the like but you can still play them well with a controller.

And anyway, I thought his whole point was moot anyway as it's personal preference.

I can easily play a fighting game or a driving game with a keyboard and mouse. However, playing FPS with a controller is hard for me. It depends on who you are.

A controller is more well rounded though is what I'm saying.

About the same as a keyboard and mouse for me.

Doesn't really matter for me because I can just plug in a controller, but whatever.

You're just one person. The controller will probably be more well rounded for most gamers where the K+M will be genre specific.

 

[Balobo]

I guess a better thing to say is because it's designed with games in mind, it's more diverse for games (at least for me). I don't know about you but I wouldn't be able to play a fighting game or a driving game with a keyboard and mouse, at least not very well. I know K+M is considered better for FPS's and the like but you can still play them well with a controller.

And anyway, I thought his whole point was moot anyway as it's personal preference.

I can easily play a fighting game or a driving game with a keyboard and mouse. However, playing FPS with a controller is hard for me. It depends on who you are.

A controller is more well rounded though is what I'm saying.

About the same as a keyboard and mouse for me.

Doesn't really matter for me because I can just plug in a controller, but whatever.

You're just one person. The controller will probably be more well rounded for most gamers where the K+M will be genre specific.

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