OR, as Jim Sterling pointed out in one of his videos, sometimes you just have to argue on the same level as they do.
Why, free education. Why...
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Last year I was in the same situation as you. Get on with your work and wait for them to drop out, it'll take a couple months.Project_Omega said:
Once you get started on your actual work and it start's piling up, they'll usually quieten down. Its just started, don't get heated before you get to know them. Once you do, the year will be a hell of a lot easier to deal with.
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Also, because I feel it needs to be said, lay off the elitist crap. College is not exactly hard to get into in the UK. Many people go in to avoid responsibility and getting a job. I was one of them, its worked out well because i'm starting uni in two weeks.
Point is, it won't make you any friends and they'll just claim its you causing the problems which if you mouth off about it too much, they'll win. Just quietly ask the lecturer after class to deal with it.
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Proper gamer? Seriously, WTF? Is there such a thing?
College is the same in Canada being one step below University, but it isn't free.
I am in programming too. I wonder if it is your first year? If it is, I wouldn't worry about it. In my class half of the students got kicked out for poor marks after year one. It was pretty clear which ones didn't care and I wasn't surprised. If you don't get good grades in your basic courses, this is one field where you simply cannot continue.
Appearances aren't everything, but people do try to 'look' like the people they want to get along with, so you can't really know who's cool and who isn't by looking at them. Wait until 2nd year, the ones who aren't going to make it or don't care will be gone. You will be left with the people who are just as interested as you.
If your experience is anything like mine, that is.
I am in programming too. I wonder if it is your first year? If it is, I wouldn't worry about it. In my class half of the students got kicked out for poor marks after year one. It was pretty clear which ones didn't care and I wasn't surprised. If you don't get good grades in your basic courses, this is one field where you simply cannot continue.
Appearances aren't everything, but people do try to 'look' like the people they want to get along with, so you can't really know who's cool and who isn't by looking at them. Wait until 2nd year, the ones who aren't going to make it or don't care will be gone. You will be left with the people who are just as interested as you.
If your experience is anything like mine, that is.
I agree with this. In Ontario, they removed one year of high school just as I was starting Uni. So when i went there were hordes of loud, too young, i-don't-care teenage types chatting and answering cell phones and generally being obnoxious during lectures. They were only there because that is the logical next step they were forced into by parents. I was extra pissed because they are all on student loans from the government, so educational costs aren't something they think of, but I was paying out of pocket. I felt like they were not only wasting my education, they were wasting my money. University is DAMN EXPENSIVE.Commissar Sae said:
I feel bad for the professors, but also for the other students. Some of us are trying to get an education. If you don't care or are too cool for it, then please stay the fuck home. I don;t think this is elitism as much as basic common sense.
Pretty much this to be honest. As an ex college student myself I can sort of sympathise with your position. We had a good few students who did nothing than disrupt the class and were there for nothing more than EMA until they could apply for JSA... Though I thought they cut out that EMA business so I wouldn't have thought it would have been a problem.dogstile said:
Look I'm no elitist and those students in my college had just as much right as I to be there but I did feel to myself that, the position that they took could have gone to an hard working student who wanted to buckle down and get somewhere instead of trying to make £30 a week on EMA.
However while there I just buckled down and got to work, they wanted to piss about that's their prerogative. Actually made friends with a lot of them. However we did have people like you O.P. Three of them actually, well reading your posts you sound like them anyway, little snobby kids all up their own arses, communicated with grunts and groans while looking down on everyone else and telling them that they weren't worthy of being there. That includes me too along with the other lads. Weren't exactly popular in the class and all they did was make people feel worse about themselves... Might want to think about that before you start throwing your mouth about.
As Dogstile put it, got a problem, talk to the lecturer or if necessary take it a little higher.
Good luck with that. I was taking those classes as well, but I got uninterested.
Just let the class either change them or be too much so that they drop it. I have an Algebra class, and people are so loud, and they don't even pay attention--it seems. After a while, the class will get smaller, and I'm sure of that.
Just let the class either change them or be too much so that they drop it. I have an Algebra class, and people are so loud, and they don't even pay attention--it seems. After a while, the class will get smaller, and I'm sure of that.
Free education is good. It means people from poor families have the right to get education and get good jobs. The horrendous University fees put off many people from going to University.
On the flip side, as you just said, you get twats that abuse free education.
Unfortunatly it's part of life. People are shit. But you must hold dear the people who aren't shit.
Perhaps the College should be more careful who they accept. My college course, Art and Design Diplomma Level 3 actuall held interviews to find out what sort of person you were and what work you had to show. Perhaps they should do this for all courses.
Atleast the chavs that do get in and slack are good bullshitters.
On the flip side, as you just said, you get twats that abuse free education.
Unfortunatly it's part of life. People are shit. But you must hold dear the people who aren't shit.
Perhaps the College should be more careful who they accept. My college course, Art and Design Diplomma Level 3 actuall held interviews to find out what sort of person you were and what work you had to show. Perhaps they should do this for all courses.
Atleast the chavs that do get in and slack are good bullshitters.
He isn't elitist at all. How exactly is one an elitist when he earned his way there? He is the only one being serious about his life, and though you say it is "free" it isn't. You paid for it. Something paid for with taxes isn't free you supposed fucking geniuses. Unless I'm wrong there has always been and will always be private schools you can pay for (if you're a true elitist snob with connections and money). Considering you are ALL paying for education then perhaps people could shut the fuck up and let others work? No, I guess that makes me a mean elitist. Boohoo.
shout em down if they open their mouths and laugh when they fail miserably. vindication is its own reward.
in the US a ton of kids wash out of school simply because they get a taste of freedom from mom and dad and suddenly they can't quit partying/smoking. Don't get me wrong I enjoy having some fun, but school comes first. Think of all the money that depends on success, not to mention the self respect and legit credentials.
education will not change their shitty attitudes, only they can do that. frankly everyone here bitching about OP sound like bitchy elementary school students. I don't look down on others for their clothes or what they talk about, I'm a metalhead, I've put up with that shit my whole life. I look down on those people because they're a fucking waste of potential.
shout em down if they open their mouths and laugh when they fail miserably. vindication is its own reward.
in the US a ton of kids wash out of school simply because they get a taste of freedom from mom and dad and suddenly they can't quit partying/smoking. Don't get me wrong I enjoy having some fun, but school comes first. Think of all the money that depends on success, not to mention the self respect and legit credentials.
education will not change their shitty attitudes, only they can do that. frankly everyone here bitching about OP sound like bitchy elementary school students. I don't look down on others for their clothes or what they talk about, I'm a metalhead, I've put up with that shit my whole life. I look down on those people because they're a fucking waste of potential.