Why primitive, older graphics are better than modern graphics.

[Aeonknight]

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If I'm the 10 year old, how come I'm not the one resorting to petty insults? Food for thought.

When I say I haven't touched a mouse in years, I was refering to my particular MMO. Of course I use a mouse to play different games, but this one happens to be in that 10% you mentioned. And that point was only to refute your little "herp derp you click click click to farm for loincloths hypocrite!" remark. Way to take it out of context.

And what makes you think you can judge entire genre's on the merit of one game? No single game is capable of representing the thousands of others that exist in any particular genre. Using Call of Duty, a mainstream title to represent any/all audiences, including niche ones? Are you fucking high?

Your answer to FPS's all being "shoot tha terrorist!": Half Life 2. Immersive, decent story, definately not typical, and still has comparable graphics to the standards of today.

Your answer to all RPG's being LOTR clones? Dark Souls. Immersive as hell, a story that you actually have to look for yourself, good graphics.

So by all means, keep those nostalgia goggles duct taped to your pretty little head. If playing ancient games gives you immersion, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But try actually playing what you're trying to stereotype next time, otherwise expect to get called out on it.

Herp derp yourself, nice try using my argument as yours. Only immersion from stories ive heard is the comedic one comming from the posts I read from you. maybe you don't understand the term "few examples" but then agaist I should not have expected more from a console peasant such as yourself.

Sad thing about stereotypes in the gaming world, is that 90% of the time they are true including how desperate you are to the point of generalising that I dont play new games
myself. Better Luck next time and if you want to actually convince me perhaps try 1v1 me in myth 2. Id love to see 100% of my army in tact from the shocking purchase of units for the map type you pick and woeful tactics. Even after 4 years playing this game, pro's can get beaten by begginers from sheer luck and it took me three months to master all the tricks.

You do not, get this kind of experience in any other game. Put your Money where your mouth is.
Join the Tournament, sign on with a team and play. Its free and it costs you less than 10 dollars on ebay, another reason why older games are far superior on a monetary level.

http://mwc2012.proboards.com/index.cgi

Ok I was kidding when I asked if you were high, but now that you've challenged me to a battle on your game, maybe I was dead on. You are seriously trying to throw your epeen around on your game? Wow, I would say this is new, but it isn't. I just never thought someone would be so stupid as to actually try. What makes you think I'd waste even 1 dollar on you?

console peasant. Cute. You can't really play the PC elitism card when your game could run on a TI-86 calculator bro. Just sayin'.

So the only thing noteworthy from your post is "nuh uh! new games ain't immersive!", an lolPCelitism remark, and an even more lawl worthy challenge to your game of pixelated mess vs pixelated mess. Yea I think I'm done with you.

and cue the "hurr hurr knew he wouldn't play against me" remark. Really could care less at this point. Your game doesn't justify your nonexistant arguement, I knew you were trolling 3 posts ago, and I'm done feeding you.

 

[Ryotknife]

other than making up my own voices for characters in old 8 bit games in my head....there is no other imagination required for older games compared to newer games.

and hell, if you really are stuck on this point, stop playing video games and just read books (which requires even MORE imagination). games are apparently not for you.

 

[lacktheknack]

edit: wat? Freaking tabs, how do they work? Ignore this.

 

[evilneko]

-herpderp-

lulz

I know I said I was outta here, but I'm glad I peeked back. The back and forth between you two has been highly amusing, especially these last two posts. Seriously.

 

[Durgiun]

Case in point for the OP, Corruption of Champions (WARNING If you're weirded out by non-standard fetishes, don't try to play that game).

The game is just text and the player gets to envision all the characters the way they want. And it's a hell of a lot more fun than looking them up on the internet and having someone's vision of them corrupt your own.

 

[Aeonknight]

-herpderp-

lulz

I know I said I was outta here, but I'm glad I peeked back. The back and forth between you two has been highly amusing, especially these last two posts. Seriously.

Glad at least someone got something from it. Also you get an internet for using Konata. Because it's Konata.

 

[kingthrall]

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If I'm the 10 year old, how come I'm not the one resorting to petty insults? Food for thought.

When I say I haven't touched a mouse in years, I was refering to my particular MMO. Of course I use a mouse to play different games, but this one happens to be in that 10% you mentioned. And that point was only to refute your little "herp derp you click click click to farm for loincloths hypocrite!" remark. Way to take it out of context.

And what makes you think you can judge entire genre's on the merit of one game? No single game is capable of representing the thousands of others that exist in any particular genre. Using Call of Duty, a mainstream title to represent any/all audiences, including niche ones? Are you fucking high?

Your answer to FPS's all being "shoot tha terrorist!": Half Life 2. Immersive, decent story, definately not typical, and still has comparable graphics to the standards of today.

Your answer to all RPG's being LOTR clones? Dark Souls. Immersive as hell, a story that you actually have to look for yourself, good graphics.

So by all means, keep those nostalgia goggles duct taped to your pretty little head. If playing ancient games gives you immersion, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But try actually playing what you're trying to stereotype next time, otherwise expect to get called out on it.

Herp derp yourself, nice try using my argument as yours. Only immersion from stories ive heard is the comedic one comming from the posts I read from you. maybe you don't understand the term "few examples" but then agaist I should not have expected more from a console peasant such as yourself.

Sad thing about stereotypes in the gaming world, is that 90% of the time they are true including how desperate you are to the point of generalising that I dont play new games
myself. Better Luck next time and if you want to actually convince me perhaps try 1v1 me in myth 2. Id love to see 100% of my army in tact from the shocking purchase of units for the map type you pick and woeful tactics. Even after 4 years playing this game, pro's can get beaten by begginers from sheer luck and it took me three months to master all the tricks.

You do not, get this kind of experience in any other game. Put your Money where your mouth is.
Join the Tournament, sign on with a team and play. Its free and it costs you less than 10 dollars on ebay, another reason why older games are far superior on a monetary level.

http://mwc2012.proboards.com/index.cgi

Ok I was kidding when I asked if you were high, but now that you've challenged me to a battle on your game, maybe I was dead on. You are seriously trying to throw your epeen around on your game? Wow, I would say this is new, but it isn't. I just never thought someone would be so stupid as to actually try. What makes you think I'd waste even 1 dollar on you?

console peasant. Cute. You can't really play the PC elitism card when your game could run on a TI-86 calculator bro. Just sayin'.

So the only thing noteworthy from your post is "nuh uh! new games ain't immersive!", an lolPCelitism remark, and an even more lawl worthy challenge to your game of pixelated mess vs pixelated mess. Yea I think I'm done with you.

and cue the "hurr hurr knew he wouldn't play against me" remark. Really could care less at this point. Your game doesn't justify your nonexistant arguement, I knew you were trolling 3 posts ago, and I'm done feeding you.

You have not even started feeding me ratio's yet so dont lie. Oh and I expected you to chicken out, your like all the rest. Dont want to put your money where your mouth is. Oh and I am nobody's bro. I am surprised you even know what a calculator is, let alone a scientific one because consoles only come with four mashable buttons.

Of course there isnt any point talking to you anyway, since you just refused my challenge like a wimp I dont see you worthy of communicating with me now.

edit: LOL kontana what the hell is a kontana sounds like a instrument used for flipping burgers.

 

[Blood Brain Barrier]

Is this just too far over people's heads? Maybe I should post a "why Obsidian is better than Bioware thread" or "why JRPGs suck"

No, your point just sucks.

I simply prefer better graphics (because they're better), and I never play "myself" in a game. Why play myself when I could be somebody else? That's why I play games.

Also, any RPG worth its salt has character customization, so that point is moot. If you want to play yourself in a story-driven third-person game, I think you misunderstand what "story-driven" entails.

Also, where do you get off proclaiming that old graphics are inherently better than new ones, give us ONE (flawed) POINT to your argument, then accuse US of being shallow?

Where do YOU get off telling us better graphics are better?

If you read the OP properly, you'd realise I never said one plays oneself in a game, but that one can more accurately portray one's desired character in a game with simplified graphics.

 

[Dryk]

I think the OPs opinions are misguided, but I feel that pulling graphics and therefore budgets back a few notches would probably help us out of this rut we're digging into.

 

[Cedric Rolle III]

I like older games, such good times.

 

[woodaba]

Is this just too far over people's heads? Maybe I should post a "why Obsidian is better than Bioware thread" or "why JRPGs suck"

Wow. Way to make yourself out to be a pretentious prick.

 

[Xangba]

I would have gone with something along the lines of "lower graphics use less money and space, which allows for more gameplay elements and length" or something like that. Not...whatever it was you just said. Seriously, that is a pretty poor argument. My counter-argument would be: Go play tabletop. Good graphics can help get us immersed in the world better, let us know what someone is really supposed to look like, and be used for story just as much when used right. The problem comes from the damned effort to just make it look pretty instead of using it to improve storytelling.

Dont confuse 'Moved away' with 'lack of creativity'. Now'a'days everyone is a badass. Every Movie, Game and TableTop Rp

You're only a badass if you choose to be in tabletop I have been known to create a bumbling idiot to give my friends carefully made characters a whole new level of difficulty. This may or may not include speaking with the DM ahead of time to ensure levers that should never be pulled and dangerous traps that are very obvious are aplenty.

 

[DigitalAtlas]

If games were meant to be an imaginative experience, we'd just have never upgraded from Zork or "Choose your own adventure" books.

I thought this was going to be an intelligent thread on old games cherishing aesthetic more so than today's games, but I was wrong. Then again, I also was prepped to come in here and say "Are you high? I can't even play the original Deus Ex without mods because it looks like such a giant piece of garbage!"

Is this just too far over people's heads? Maybe I should post a "why Obsidian is better than Bioware thread" or "why JRPGs suck"

No, your point just sucks.

I simply prefer better graphics (because they're better), and I never play "myself" in a game. Why play myself when I could be somebody else? That's why I play games.

Also, any RPG worth its salt has character customization, so that point is moot. If you want to play yourself in a story-driven third-person game, I think you misunderstand what "story-driven" entails.

Also, where do you get off proclaiming that old graphics are inherently better than new ones, give us ONE (flawed) POINT to your argument, then accuse US of being shallow?

I was about to agree entirely with you, but.... ummmm....

>Any RPG worth its salt has character customization

Brb, throwing out all my Persona, Final Fantasy, Tales, Chrono, Lunar and Xeno games

 

[Gabanuka]

This seems relevant and I dont really feel like starting a new thread for it:
Does Vampire the masquerade: Bloodlines hold up both graphicly and gameplay wise? I'm thinking about buyying it since I cant to go around being a vampire and what not.

 

[boag]

So are you saying older graphics are better because they make you use your imagination more? Well then why even bother with a video game? Use a pen and paper.

A FREAKING MEN!

hell why even use pen and paper?

just make the stuff up in your head.

 

[thom_cat_]

This is silly and pointless.
As a game designer I resent the idea that graphics makes a game.
If you are in the magic circle you let anything work if it's flowing.
If depends what you want from the game. If you're playing an FPS you want to be able to actually aim at stuff that doesn't look like a pixel.
It totally depends on what you want to do. Sure, you could replace everything with pong-sized dots, but what's the point?
Abstraction -whilst it favours imagination-based characterisation of people and objects- is not reliable for everything. And a blanket statement such as yours is silly.

 

[Xangba]

This seems relevant and I dont really feel like starting a new thread for it:
Does Vampire the masquerade: Bloodlines hold up both graphicly and gameplay wise? I'm thinking about buyying it since I cant to go around being a vampire and what not.

VtMB is a good game. If graphics are your concern they aren't bad. Gameplay wise you may hear some people tell you guns feel clunky, but I never had that problem due to being a proper vampire and tearing things apart with my hands (or just making one of them kill the others then drop dead, or make them think I disappear then assassinate them). There are still some bugs, and if you run the widescreen patch it creates a few visual bugs, but the experience is still great. Also it has a mission fairly early on that even without being a horror game is better at it than games that are actually supposed to be horror.

I would definitely suggest getting the community patches, but I would also suggest holding off on mods for at least one play-through so you know how it was intended to play. Camarilla's mod may sound great, but it's a fairly different experience than the vanilla game.

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Yes! Remember kids, losing is fun! Haha but seriously, it can be intimidating to try and get the hang of, but Dwarf Fortress is certainly the kind of thing half the people in this thread seem to want.

 

[jklinders]

Agree that there are advantages to earlier graphics. But for completely different reasons. A players imagination can fill any gap, including those left by newer games and graphics. What the player refuses to do without kicking and screaming right now is pay extra for more content in a game after the money was eaten up in massive pools for graphics design, voice acting, multiple outcomes et al.

Games tended to be larger in scope 12 years ago for less money, far less money. the industry is not better for some of the changes. I would like to see more Fallouts (Not Fallout 3) and fewer mindless FPSs with perfect graphics and physics. You just get more bang for your buck both as a developer and a player.

But really using more primitive graphics is only a benefit to RPGs. These games tend to be the most expensive and complicated. other genres can be the complete package for less money. But RPGs are expensive, complicated, filled with narrative stuff and to top it all off have a very demanding user base. They need to stop focusing on graphics now and get back to what they are good at.

 

[Gabanuka]

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Is taking a charisma route viable then? Also where can I find these patches?

 

[lord canti]

Well unless we are only talking about anything before snes then yes you could use your imagination. However outside of NPC in games a majority of characters had several defining characteristics that made them distinct.