Why so much hate for Turn Based Games?

[Evil Genius for a Better Tomorrow]

Those folks who think turn based games are a "waste of time" are right however the key factor here is that the waste of time is their wretched existence.
If you can't hold an attention span for less than 30 seconds or find having to think ahead and plan carefully then TBG's are beyond your paltry, pathetic intellects and you should stick to playing in the sandpit with dried animal faeces with the other shuddering drooling twurps who characterise a typical FPS player.
Delaying gratification is a behaviour that most normal human beings learn as they end the toddler stage however, reading through a number of the replies to this topic, it seems there are still a lot of children out there who haven't mastered this particular skill to any sufficient degree. Also they forget or choose to ignore the glaring fact that some of the best games thus far have been TBG's.
Quite frankly anyone who can't be patient enough nor have enough imagination to fill in the gaps is just another imbecelic oxygen thief.

 

[ScreamingCrab]

Quite frankly anyone who can't be patient enough nor have enough imagination to fill in the gaps is just another imbecelic oxygen thief.

Yes, let's gas them all and rape their families.

 

[shatnershaman]

1: Graphics; it is like comparing the original Zelda to "a link to the past"

2: I hated most of the voice acting, so in my opinion that actually made it worse, and HK-47 was better than any, nay all the characters from mass effect in that regard.

3: a third person shooter does not a role playing game make.

4: instead uber-powered assault riffles YAY!!

5: 90% of them were souless husks of planets (as I pointed out)

6: I will assume you ment "more things to do" not really as a I pointed out about the planets.

7: 2 seconds of ass does not a porn movie make.

8: got me here

9: too cliched and basic

1. Newer better than older.

2. Objection: KOTOR had worse VO and less of it.(Fact: HK was awesome)

3. Tell that to ESRB and all the reviewers and websites.

4. At least they exist unlike lightsabers

5. And that 10% is still bigger than KOTOR and actually loads faster than pint drying.

6. Citadel=lots of quest

7. True but see 8.

8. Exactly

9. Oh yeah the soap opera of KOTOR was better

10. Truce dude (post one more then stop you can have last laugh)

 

[dusparr]

1: Newer is not always better (don;t feel like posting examples)

2: ok agreed not all good voice overs

4: read the discription in the journal about how they work and you will see that it is the same amount of tech mumbo jumbo as light sabers, and light-sabers make such preety dismembered corpses

5: yes its BIGGER, but with less than half the interactive characters.

6: yes but I like to see my quests affect the world not just get xp;

7 & 8: ok agreed pissing off fox was the HK of mass effect

9: yea they both were cliched, but in mass effect all endings are mostly happy, I cant attempt to take over the galaxy as a sith lord.

10: kk

 

[Evil Genius for a Better Tomorrow]

Quite frankly anyone who can't be patient enough nor have enough imagination to fill in the gaps is just another imbecelic oxygen thief.

Yes, let's gas them all and rape their families.

Off you go then, enjoy!

 

[shatnershaman]

Now that that off topic (sorta) thing is over I will give turn based this. Paper Mario (64 not that bullshit on cube or wii) is sick.

 

[Talux]

I kinda like both real time and turn based if it's done well I thought Advance Wars and Civ were fun, and I also really liked CoD4 - even though those games are miles apart. I don't understand why people get so insulting or upset about the whole thing, really.

It seems to me that you can get great and terrible systems regardless of whether it's turn based or real time. As for intelligence, well, I'd only say that TB games require more patience and perhaps a higher level of forward thinking, while real time needs someone to think of what they need to do very quickly. I don't see how a couple of the posters on here equated disliking TB with being a moron.

 

[poleboy]

Well, as a fan of many different types of games, I feel I can answer this question without too much bias. I took my first wee steps into the world of gaming with the early mario games, but quickly got a taste for turn-based JRPG's. I've only had a PC for the last fifteen years or so, so even though I wasn't around for some of the older classics like Civ II, I still played games like Fallout and Baldur's Gate around the time they were first released.

Like it was mentioned before, turn-based gaming is the result of video games in their early years taking cues from board games. Many years have passed since then, and video games have become more than digitalized versions of well-known games or concepts. It has become a unique medium on par with radio or TV.

While I do enjoy turn-based games, I don't believe it belongs in more than a handful of deep strategy games that require a lot of micro-management. And even these games tend to (as has also been mentioned) take away a lot of control away from the player, such as combat being reduced to 50% luck and 50% strongest unit wins. Games like the Civ series have stuck to this formula for years, decades even.

Several people have also mentioned the Final Fantasy series as an example of turn-based (JRPG) games, but fail to mention that the last two games in the series (five or more if you count expansions and spin-offs) have taken steps toward real-time gameplay, steps of a magnitude that has not been seen in the series since the mid-90's. FF games entered the realm of real-time gameplay years ago, and do not appear to be looking back (except for retro releases and such).

Change is inevitable, and while I believe there will still be a small market for games that require only minimal interaction and consist mostly of high-tier decision making, I also believe that most gamers today prefer immersion, "being there" and being hands-on with the game.

 

[shatnershaman]

Several people have also mentioned the Final Fantasy series as an example of turn-based (JRPG) games, but fail to mention that the last two games in the series (five or more if you count expansions and spin-offs) have taken steps toward real-time gameplay, steps of a magnitude that has not been seen in the series since the mid-90's. FF games entered the realm of real-time gameplay years ago, and do not appear to be looking back (except for retro releases and such).

Took them fuckign long enough. Besides there in quasi-real time (FF12) and I'm still waiting for them to get there genders right. http://videogamesheaven.net/movie-final-fantasy-xii-downloads.htm
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[Lord Krunk]

Well, there are some games which screwed up turn-based combat, but if you can successfully make turns a good thing, (E.G. Final Fantasy, Legend of Dragoon, KotOR) then it should not be hated.

Personally, I've not played the newer FF games, but FF7 and 8 were brilliant to me. I really don't understand why people hate them so much. (Only Halo and WoW fans really get on my nerves, being a Tim Schafer fanboy myself)

 

[shatnershaman]

(Only Halo and WoW fans really get on my nerves, being a Tim Schafer fanboy myself)

Is it because Psychonaunts didn't sell well like they did?

 

[Lord Krunk]

(Only Halo and WoW fans really get on my nerves, being a Tim Schafer fanboy myself)

Is it because Psychonaunts didn't sell well like they did?

No, I like both games in their own right. I just find their fans annoying as hell.

 

[shatnershaman]

(Only Halo and WoW fans really get on my nerves, being a Tim Schafer fanboy myself)

Is it because Psychonaunts didn't sell well like they did?

No, I like both games in their own right. I just find their fans annoying as hell.

So you believe in stereotypes?

 

[Lord Krunk]

(Only Halo and WoW fans really get on my nerves, being a Tim Schafer fanboy myself)

Is it because Psychonaunts didn't sell well like they did?

No, I like both games in their own right. I just find their fans annoying as hell.

So you believe in stereotypes?

Who doesn't?

 

[shatnershaman]

Who doesn't?

*raises hand*

 

[Lord Krunk]

Who doesn't?

*raises hand*

Does this have any relevance to anything?

 

[GothmogII]

Here's something then: King's Bounty: The Legend [http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/kingsbountythelegend/news.html?sid=6192445&tag=nl.e579] Could be pretty nice, haven't played the original personally but, I played most of the Heroes of Might and Magic series that followed, and they were awesome turn based strategy/RPG's.

Turn based games can be awesome! Gives you time to think up what to do next, and are apt at building suspense sometimes.

 

[stompy]

Like everything, turn-based games can be good and bad. I mean, some JRPGs shred the gameplay aspect, while games like Advanced Wars pull it off quite well.

 

[poleboy]

Now that it was mentioned, I feel I should say that I think Heroes of M&M does turn-based gameplay very well.
It's complex enough that you need time to consider your moves and what upgrades or troops to buy, but it still puts you right in the middle of the battle and lets you lead your troops.

 

[sfried]

I've played old Final Fantasy games and find them quite boring.

How old? And I like FFIV-VI, by the way. I'd care less about the ones past the 16-bit era.

So your saying the hate is entirely... superficial?

I find that very shallow and kind of silly "Oh Gameplay isn't important, what's important is that the people don't MOVE all the time, my puny little brain cannot handle stillness without collapsing."

They're such a thing as "fun without needing realism to justify it".