Why the "big boobs" "absurd female design" still exists?

[monkey_man]

Have you ever even seen boobs. they are like magic. I certainly cannot resist a good boob.
and by that logic, bigger is better apparently.

BUT.

I'll never grow up, and stuff like this will always be worth a giggle, but I'm not dumb enough to actually go and buy something just because it has big boobs. Because even though they are magic, I'm not interested in just boobs

I do think this applies to a whole range of boys/men.

 

[Ratties]

It's because sex sells. Even if the person drawing the big breasted knight knows it's stupid, it will get their game some media attention. Look how much we are all talking about Dragon's Crown. That's the point. Even negative attention is still attention.



Just by posting a pic of a hot looking girl, will now get people to read what I wrote. they may not respond to it, it gets their attention. Whether it is negative or not, who cares.

Goddammit dude, at least have the courtesy to that in a NSFW spoiler tag or something, really don't need my others spotting that on my screen.

She's not sexy to me since I find facial/tongue piercings and slutty expressions disgusting (except in extremely rare cases), plus this isn't a site I fap to.

Please? Thanks. I'm trying to read what people are saying and it's rather distracting

You just proved my point. Thank you. Its a girl sticking her tongue out, get over it.

 

[Gatx]

What's with all this shaming of people who happen to like big breasts. Everyone has their own preference.

 

[Yuuki]

You just proved my point. Thank you. Its a girl sticking her tongue out, get over it.

There was nothing to prove since we all know Escapist is like 75-80% straight-male viewers, being a gaming-oriented site -_-

 

[Ratties]

You just proved my point. Thank you. Its a girl sticking her tongue out, get over it.

There was nothing to prove since we all know Escapist is like 75-80% straight-male viewers, being a gaming-oriented site -_-

Now I feel like I am talking to my friends girlfriend. Whatever. You win. Next topic, lol.

 

[Yuuki]

Now I feel like I am talking to my friends girlfriend. Whatever. You win. Next topic, lol.

Actually I was a bit off, it's more like 80-85% [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.405809-Poll-Escapist-Gender-Identity-Survey-2013]

Someone noticed when you posted a gif on a site that's mostly text posts? Yeah I'm sure that proves it's about the girl.

Good point, usually when I glimpse a gif I pause to watch it..just in case it turns out to be awesome/hilarious
It's like my brain automatically goes "ooh moving pictures, weeeee".

 

[Froggy Slayer]

Dragons Crown is OK with me, because it's ridiculously stylized. The designs fit the art style and over-the-top aesthetic that the game is going for. I can understand being pissed off at oversexualisation in a 'realistic' game, but here I'm just not seeing it.

 

[CloudAtlas]

Because there's still a place for it. It's as simple as that.

Really, do we want to take it away? That would be unfortunate.

Take it away?

I guess most people complaining know would be perfectly happy if the landscape of gaming looked more like the one of cinema. There are plenty of movies that cater to certain audiences.* But in the big blockbuster movies, the equivalent the expensive AAA games, the ones intended for a broader audiences, there's only that much you can get away with. Sure, Hollywood is not exactly abundant with strong, complex female characters either, let alone leads, but outfits and, by necessity, bodily proportions, are a fair deal more reasonable. And they even show much more nudity too - but where it belongs. Girls don't fight nude, they have sex. Isn't that kind of, you know, hotter?
___

Edit: * And if people stopped pretending that certain games are so much more than that, there'd be there'd be less fuzz around those games too.

 

[CloudAtlas]

Gamers prefer women who kick ass.

So do I. But why do they insist on them being scantily clad while doing so?

 

[ReinWeisserRitter]

It's the shamelessness of it for me, the poor taste and the lazy execution. I personally love large breasts, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise, but I still find stuff like Dragon's Crown wholly unappealing because of the way it's done: horrendously. In general, video games handle sex appeal clumsily and brainlessly, as they do most things.

 

[Funyahns]

Its wrong of you to hate big boobs. So. You are the one at fault OP not games industry. Chesty women can't help how they are born after all.

 

[michael87cn]

Gamers prefer women who kick ass.

So do I. But why do they insist on them being scantily clad while doing so?

Because it can be fun.

And it's harmless. Lots of people claim its damaging etc. But those people seem to think people look to video games for examples of what real life should be like, or something.

I mean, I don't go to the movies and see a guy jump off a bridge and dodge and explosion and go "That's so awesome. I'm gonna do that next weekend".

If women think its unfair they should make some games for women with half naked dudes. Why not? I'm sure a lot of women would enjoy that. At least that would be productive.

 

[Fox12]

So, I have a question for everyone rattling their swords about dragon's crown and doa and whatever latest offender of feminine ideals is. Why does this design still persist?

apparently the overwhelming public opinion is that having attractive women just for the sake of having attractive women is crap, lazy, sexist, dumb, and probably gives you cancer. so if everyone hates it so much then why do they continue doing it? businesses aren't stupid MS took a look at the responces to xbox1 and did a 180. not because it was the right thing to do but because they wanted to move more xbox1's. so i'm asking you honestly, if it's so offensive and terrible, why buy the games. if dragon's crown is such a horrendous offender shouldn't it's sales be tanked? I'm not afraid to say I like my games containing absurdly large breasts and I don't mind my games containing small ones either but when given the choice between two totally identical female characters i'll pick the one who's more attractive to me and that means bigger T&A and more revealing clothing. i don't apologize for that and my buying trends reflect it. i'm a big fan of DOA not just for the skimpy clothes but the solid combat systems. Rumble Roses was one of the best pure wrestling systems I've ever laid hands on and yes having a buncha half naked women grabbing each other made the game more FUN, it doesn't add to the social value of the game sure but i play games to be entertained not to make a political statement. i think discussion is an important part of any issue but we've been talking about this since Mai shiranui was invented and subsequently patched into a nude version. since the days of super Nintendo 2d brawlers we've had endless discussions about it. and you know what, everything that can be said has been said. it's time to put up or shut up. if you find a games female design offensive DON'T BUY IT!!!! let the dollars and cents create the games of the future don't bemoan the plight of women in gaming for hours then rush out to buy the latest boob simulator only to post forum rage about it. just don't buy it. once they have your money you have approved of their game as much as they need you to. personally i'm more interested in using this on more offensive practices like online passes and restrictive drm but the principle is the same. we are the consumers we hold all power because we have the money we must make a conscious choice to give it to them.

i just read an article on kotaku about how horribly offensive the "red light district" is in the new Valhalla knights 3, the writer says and I quote "I found it repulsive Still, that didn't keep me from clocking in well over 120 hours of gameplay time." 120 hours into something he found repulsive....

we have to start doing better people, forum rage and flame wars are all fun for a laugh but in the end we are just fighting with each other. so i'm saying if you find the "sexism" in games repulsive but still buy the offensive ones. it's your fault. i'm no apologist I buy what I like and I like full bodied women. I like them more when they come partially unwrapped. saves my mind some time. so I buy things that appeal to me. and don't say there are no good choices in games for women. gameing is such a broad spectrum of styles and genre's there are games that appeal to ALL sensibilities. Last of us had a strong female character, anything with a character customization system usually lets you play a female. buy mass effect, buy things that you think have strong female role models.


who's dollars are worth more? the perverts like me or the straight laced do gooders. OPEN WALLETS AT TEN PACES! FIGHT!

Well, the people who find it sexist or immature don't buy it. It's financial success is completely removed from whether or not the game is on the wrong side of the sexism debate. The thing is, Dragons Crown isn't doing anything new. If the game was released twenty years ago, nobody would bat an eye. There would be no sexism debate, because sexism was, quite frankly, an accepted part of the video game industry. The industry isn't necessarily dominated by men anymore though, and the industry is the fastest growing in entertainment. As a result the industry is growing up, and becoming more inclusive. Yes, there are people who are offended by the game. They don't buy it. They criticize as a work of art. They have that right. There are enough people who will buy it for it to remain profitable. There's nothing wrong with games becoming more inclusive, it should be welcomed. If the game really is a piece of art, then people have a right to praise or criticize it.

Just because a games profitable doesn't mean it's not sexist.

Keep in mind the game isn't sexist because it has attractive women in it. It's sexist because the women have no positive traits outside of sexual appeal.

 

[nightmare_gorilla]

But will I refuse to play a game because of that? No. No I won't. The whole "vote with your wallet" thing's all well and good, but if I like a game enough, I will buy it, unless it is absolutely overflowing with obvious, pointless attempts at sex appeal. I won't deprive myself of an entire game that I'll probably enjoy because of one or two possible incidents of sexism.

I find the argument "if you don't like it, don't buy it" to be very weak too. Oftentimes, there isn't exactly a great variety of recent, good games of a particular type to choose from. What if you're into fantasy MMOs? Good luck finding one that is as gratuitous as Skyrim. Or even a second one, if you got tired from the first. What if you're into Space Operas? Well, then there's hardly a way around Miranda Lawson's butt these years. And what if you have, God forbid, a penchant for Japanese games?

People who don't like this stuff just can't rely on only buying only those games that do not feature such content, because that would often mean buying fewer games than we would like. So, yea, like everybody else, we have to lobby for our preferences to be reflected in future games too.

And I don't think it's not working. There are much more debates today every time a game with questionable content is published. Games are changing. Just look at 2013's Lara Croft.

actually it's a perfect argument. no one in the games industry OWES you new games in the area you like, it's up to you to change the system by buying content that you approve of.

and that's exactly what they count on, it's what i'm saying is the whole point of this. people who make games know that some people don't like this stuff but don't dislike it enough to affect sales. while the people who do like it. have the dollars behind their like of it to perpetuate the cycle. voting with your wallet is the only thing that makes sense in this situation. but you don't have the resolve to do the one thing that might make a difference, you aren't willing to deny yourself a little enjoyment to make your statement you'd rather whine about it online like little entitled children. period.

 

[Dogstile]

It's because sex sells. Even if the person drawing the big breasted knight knows it's stupid, it will get their game some media attention. Look how much we are all talking about Dragon's Crown. That's the point. Even negative attention is still attention.



Just by posting a pic of a hot looking girl, will now get people to read what I wrote. they may not respond to it, it gets their attention. Whether it is negative or not, who cares.

Goddammit dude, at least have the courtesy to that in a NSFW spoiler tag or something, really don't need my others spotting that on my screen.

She's not sexy to me since I find facial/tongue piercings and slutty expressions disgusting (except in extremely rare cases), plus this isn't a site I fap to.

Please? Thanks. I'm trying to read what people are saying and it's rather distracting

You just proved my point. Thank you. Its a girl sticking her tongue out, get over it.[/quote]

Just because its just a girl sticking her tongue out, doesn't mean people want to see it, especially if their computer is in the living room. Again, don't be a dick, spoiler that shit.

 

[MrHide-Patten]

Because whilst appearances aren't everything, I would be lying (as would a lot of other people) if I said I didn't factor it into the equation. But if the character doesn't have any personality then I find it quite lackluster, which is probably my biggest gripe with Dragons Crown. The characters a blank slates for the player to fill, but it's my personal preference for a character to have some... character. To which Dragon Crown somewhat accomplishes through the aesthetic I suppose.

If women or men take exaggerated caricatures seriously then they shouldn't be breeding in the first place. Characters like in Dragon's Crown, and a majority of other games are fantasies like Jessica Rabbit. The only people that try to make themselves look like cartoon characters (plastic surgery and whatnot) are fuck wits.

As a friend of that could cosplay as the Sorceress (or the Amazon depending on time of year); 'Your body is the billboard and your personality is the product your selling.' It's a good mantra to go by, if you only assume attractive/sexual people are dumb and stupid or bland compared to you the special but ugly snowflake, then the worlds going to be a shallow boring place.

 

[nightmare_gorilla]

Well, the people who find it sexist or immature don't buy it. It's financial success is completely removed from whether or not the game is on the wrong side of the sexism debate. The thing is, Dragons Crown isn't doing anything new. If the game was released twenty years ago, nobody would bat an eye. There would be no sexism debate, because sexism was, quite frankly, an accepted part of the video game industry. The industry isn't necessarily dominated by men anymore though, and the industry is the fastest growing in entertainment. As a result the industry is growing up, and becoming more inclusive. Yes, there are people who are offended by the game. They don't buy it. They criticize as a work of art. They have that right. There are enough people who will buy it for it to remain profitable. There's nothing wrong with games becoming more inclusive, it should be welcomed. If the game really is a piece of art, then people have a right to praise or criticize it.

Just because a games profitable doesn't mean it's not sexist.

Keep in mind the game isn't sexist because it has attractive women in it. It's sexist because the women have no positive traits outside of sexual appeal.

but that's my whole point. it is profitable, companies don't see it as sexist or not sexist, they see it as profitable or not profitable. and the simple ugly fact is that a game where the main character is a strong, natural looking, well developed female is just not profitable yet. everyone bemoans how terrible this is but the games have been made before, I loved portal but lets be honest the main character being man/woman/black/white/strong/weak had dick all to do with the game itself. there are games out there being made for women and being sold to women. but nobody is buying them, so we don't get any more of them. remember me has a female lead, sure she's not perfect and the game overall aint great, the memory mechanic is awesome but rarely used. but she's normal looking and is even black to boot so why aren't these groups who want more women protagonists buying it in droves. it's because dollar for dollar the people who enjoy sexy scantily clad women are not just a little more powerful they are 10X the number of those who care.

look it's a very simple point. whenever a minority group or even an unrepresented majority wants drastic change they have to make a stand and show people they mean business and their money is worth going after. it's like black people refusing to be moved to the back of the bus unless you ask real nice or unless the bus ride is enjoyable. "i'm having a good time so it's not really worth it to cause a scene but boy is he getting a sternly worded comment card in the suggestion box." i'm not likening game design to jim crow laws but all this internet anger just feels like impotant rage. if you care enough you'll do something about it, something real, clearly people don't care enough.

 

[wulf3n]

And I don't think it's not working. There are much more debates today every time a game with questionable content is published. Games are changing. Just look at 2013's Lara Croft.

You mean a single game that was a failure in it's publishers eyes?

There have been strong, decently written female protagonists throughout gaming history, just look at Jade(BG&E 2003) and April Ryan(TLJ 1999) to name a couple. That's not necessarily indicative of change.

 

[lacktheknack]

apparently the overwhelming public opinion is that having attractive women just for the sake of having attractive women is crap, lazy, sexist, dumb, and probably gives you cancer.

You don't frequent other game forums very often, do you?

OT: Because there's demand for that. Where there's legal demand, there is supply.

 

[nightmare_gorilla]

seriously, there is no gaming equivalent of tyler perry or the twilight books. you can hate everything about TP and twilight but they make buckets of money because they are marketed directly to a group that is untapped. if there is a marketable demo, someone will find a way to sell them something. and in gaming it just doesn't exist yet. so go make the gaming equivalent of twilight. go make a game version of madea. i'll hate it but the money I don't spend on those is insignificant because the no longer silent minority of people who buy that kind of shit will drown it out.