Why the Hatred for Black Ops?
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First off, the multiplayer was a horribly unbalanced mess with certain weapons making other weapons completely obsolete. Let's give some examples:
- The AUG and FAMAS were complete upgrades to the AK-47 and Commando, literally being higher rate-of-fire versions of them.
- The AK-74u had significantly less recoil, a faster reload, and far more attachment options (including Dual Mags, something only it and the MPL can use) than the MP5k,; but otherwise were exactly the same stats-wise.
- The Spectre was a complete upgrade to the Uzi, MAC-11, Kiparis, and PM-63. All of its stats and attachment options were either the same as the other low-powered SMGs or flat out better with the sole exception of the MPL's ability to equip Dual Mags. The only things they have going for them were the 2-round larger magazine of the Uzi (which gets completely eclipsed by the Uzi's ridiculously high recoil and much longer reload) and the Dual Wield option of the other 3 (which is far too inaccurate and impractical to be of any use on them even with Steady Aim).
- The Stoner rendered the HK-21 almost completely pointless, boasting a much higher rate-of-fire, same damage, same recoil, and faster ADS speed (though the HK does have better hipfire).
- The CZ-75 had the exact same stats as the Makarov and M1911, but boasted the Full-Auto attachment option and had a far larger magazine. No matter how you look at it, it's a complete upgrade.
Anyways, the map design is just as terrible as MW3's. Incredibly bland maps that focus far too much on corridor-based combat that extremely limit line-of-sight and discourage all playstyles other than CQC blitzkrieg-rushing. The spawning systems amplify these issues further by spawning players nearby enemies and encouraging instant-revenge kills by deliberately spawning players by the enemy that just killed them. In the end, Black Ops is a CQC-clusterfuck that lacks any real focus (like MW3) and is full of weapon imbalances. I'm honestly amazed that some people consider this game the most balanced CoD to date when there are so many complete upgrades that exist in this game.
- The AUG and FAMAS were complete upgrades to the AK-47 and Commando, literally being higher rate-of-fire versions of them.
- The AK-74u had significantly less recoil, a faster reload, and far more attachment options (including Dual Mags, something only it and the MPL can use) than the MP5k,; but otherwise were exactly the same stats-wise.
- The Spectre was a complete upgrade to the Uzi, MAC-11, Kiparis, and PM-63. All of its stats and attachment options were either the same as the other low-powered SMGs or flat out better with the sole exception of the MPL's ability to equip Dual Mags. The only things they have going for them were the 2-round larger magazine of the Uzi (which gets completely eclipsed by the Uzi's ridiculously high recoil and much longer reload) and the Dual Wield option of the other 3 (which is far too inaccurate and impractical to be of any use on them even with Steady Aim).
- The Stoner rendered the HK-21 almost completely pointless, boasting a much higher rate-of-fire, same damage, same recoil, and faster ADS speed (though the HK does have better hipfire).
- The CZ-75 had the exact same stats as the Makarov and M1911, but boasted the Full-Auto attachment option and had a far larger magazine. No matter how you look at it, it's a complete upgrade.
Anyways, the map design is just as terrible as MW3's. Incredibly bland maps that focus far too much on corridor-based combat that extremely limit line-of-sight and discourage all playstyles other than CQC blitzkrieg-rushing. The spawning systems amplify these issues further by spawning players nearby enemies and encouraging instant-revenge kills by deliberately spawning players by the enemy that just killed them. In the end, Black Ops is a CQC-clusterfuck that lacks any real focus (like MW3) and is full of weapon imbalances. I'm honestly amazed that some people consider this game the most balanced CoD to date when there are so many complete upgrades that exist in this game.
Black ops in my opinion was the best CoD game of them all. Had a brilliant plot twist, my favorite mission out of all the games, an actually really great plot twist. I dont understand the hate...towards the campaign that is. The online was the same shit as before. Its time they mixed it up!...please?
Monoochrom said:
How good something is isn't determined by the majority, it's determined by the people who are most familiar with the subject. Majority rule is a horrible way to determine somethings worth because the thing that garners the majority is often the thing that's easiest to get into, not the thing that's most well designed.
Not everyone is passionate about video games. A lot of people pick up call of duty because it's easy to get into the game and it doesn't require any dedication. They don't know or care about call of duty's effects on the rest of the gaming industry or how it compares to a lot of other more obscure titles. They don't get to decide it's good. They're not experienced with the subject.
The reason sexism and racism is considered bad now is because the more experienced people started to fight for their rights, and the majority slowly joined them. The majority almost never starts something new, it always takes a few people who know about the subject to spark its popularity. Who better to determine the quality of a game than the ones who decide the mediums future?
Personally the thing i hate most about call of duty is its lack of any real depth. yeah, sure, the weapon selection is nice, but there's very little thought that goes into it. New weapons don't change the play style that much. From what i played of call of duty a lot of my accomplishments didn't really make me feel good. A lot of my kills came from catching people while they were looking away which didn't really make me feel good as much as make me feel lucky, and a good chunk of my deaths came from random grenade spam, which always pissed me off to no end. I never had any what i call "evil laugh" moments in call of duty, when i accomplished something so amazing i just wanted to laugh to myself. Like sneaking into an enemy base in TF2 and planting a lvl 3 sentry there, or flanking an entire group as a heavy and just gunning them down pretending i was a giant fat spy with a mini gun.
For me the game is mindless fun. It's nice for a little while but i get bored of it very very quickly. Even with the leveling system the new guns and perks don't really give me enough to keep playing. I'm not shelling out $60 more for it every 2 years. I have better games i want to spend the money on. To me it looks like activision is trying to milk as much money out of the franchise as possible before gamers get bored and move on.
The game takes place in the late 60's. Most of the guns in the game were from the 70's (i.e. the AUG, FAMAS, or MP5K) or 80's (i.e. the WA2000, L96, or G11) and wouldn't have existed even in prototype form in the time period of the game. Hell, to make things worse, the versions of the AUG and the FAMAS the game used weren't developed until the 1990's. So yeah, Black Ops's weapon selection was VERY anachronistic.Hazy992 said:
In fact, just read over this: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops . It gives information on what weapons truly didn't exist in Black Ops's time period and which ones did.
I look forward to the day that the COD franchise goes the way of Guitar Hero and the like.
Maybe then we'll see something new and interesting.
Maybe then we'll see something new and interesting.
Honestly, I had more fun with the Main Menu than the actual game itself. The very second I started the game up, I knew this was going to be a hopelessly-unbalanced, dumbed-down, clunky, inexcusably-buggy, game. And it was. And, you've got to be a pretty poor designer to make fighting nazi zombies in a (haunted?) house incredibly boring. How so? It's consitered bad if you can actually see what you're shooting. And that dead-ops arcade was just horrible. I'll stick with Geometry Wars, thank you very much. You know, the tremendously-superior game that Dead Ops shamelessly ripped off?
They don't seem to do research on what they're making. Others have noticed. For example, Modern Warfare 3 has some rather outdated guns (these guys are supposed to be on the cutting edge) and the World Trade Center is still there. It can't be "Modern" if it's over a decade out of date. Of course, what else can you expect from the guy that believes Spyro made his debut in Skylanders?Hazy992 said:
blops sucked for me because zombies [the one unique thing for treyarch] had a stupid emphasis on easter eggs. my friends never asked me to play for the fun of it, they always asked to play so they could do this new easter egg. it was just boring.
also, in multiplayer, the earlier guns were SO much better than the later ones. a good multiplayer game should have two types of weapons: -the "acquired taste" [AT]guns [ like the stoner, or the python] that were only good if you were skilled with them
-the all rounders [AR] [like the famas/galil] that could be used by anyone.
these should be peppered throughout the game to keep interest.
blops' weapon chart went like this:
-AR
-AR
-AR
-AR
-AT
-AR
also, in multiplayer, the earlier guns were SO much better than the later ones. a good multiplayer game should have two types of weapons: -the "acquired taste" [AT]guns [ like the stoner, or the python] that were only good if you were skilled with them
-the all rounders [AR] [like the famas/galil] that could be used by anyone.
these should be peppered throughout the game to keep interest.
blops' weapon chart went like this:
-AR
-AR
-AR
-AR
-AT
-AR
The campaign was utter shit that hinged on the single plot twist towards the end and once you knew it the campaign wasn't really fun anymore.Hazzard said:
The multiplayer wasn't actually very good either which is interesting since they pretty much just have to copy and paste the previous years multiplayer just add a few guns.
I like the sp. Black ops featured a talking maincharacter(finally) and i liked the story way more than MW2 and 3. I hated especially 2. Soap was cool, his whole presentation made him a badass. Then in the final missions you can play as him and suddenly he is mute again. A mute pair of hands is what annoys me in many fps games.
Not my hate for BlOps. My hate stems from the story being just bad. Didn't really have anything going for it once the plot twist happened and was boring the second time through felt more like a chore playing through it than a game.Shadowstar38 said:
The multiplayer was just awful. The maps were probably the worst lay out so far.
I don't agree with you in the slightest about that either. You can prove some things if you try, I'm not good at it but I see it all the time. Also, you are missing the point as well, MAJORITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING OBJECTIVE!!! I haven't given you a definition of good but if I made something more convincing than everyone else which I think you believe is impossible, I would win without a doubt. I don't think I would win much but if I just wanted to explain or even convince people of something then that is 100% possible. Understand? You can believe that, I don't and I don't that is going to convince anyone else either.Monoochrom said:
Racism and Sexism aren't objectively bad? Tell me, does the victims of these feel 'good' when they are put down and are seen as lesser beings? Or is them feeling good subjective as well?
That I can understand, I stop watching the news sometimes because some of the idiots on there piss me off so much. Now and again I just stop everything and focus on games or work.Sober Thal said:
Not of all it is mindless though, I think you probably just run into a bunch of immature jerks that just curse and ***** instead of putting any thought in what they write. I see it all the time too.
Personally Black Ops is my second favorite game in the series (behind cod4) because Treyarc decided to do somthing different and actually tried to do somthing different by not making everything revolve around what level you are or how many kills with a certain gun you got. Also I like how they tried to put in as many little Easter eggs as they could weather it be dead ops arcade, the numerous files you could find, or the ability to get the thundergun in the campaign, they know how to give somthing to those who look for it.
You didn't understand.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
If the weapons were complete upgrades, that means they shared some stats - basically they were the same weapon in another "shell". Identical weapons for the most part.
On the other side, they had significant changes only for the better. The point of "balance" is that if you "give" you have to "take" too. Only "giving" makes a weapon positively superior in every way.
Brilliant plot twist? That's entirely subjective, it doesn't surprise anyone who had already been exposed to Cold War spy novels.Aarowbeatsdragon said:
In fact, most of the complains about Blops is that they actually had the balls to try to throw snipers off their quickscoping game a little bit, alongside with trying out a new leveling system with the contracts and wagering. It was all fairly good additions.imahobbit4062 said:
People just didn't like it because it fucked with the quickscoping.