Why you should play fighting games

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

Look if you not interested in the FGC that's fine. But comparing the entire FGC over literally dozens of games to one asshole is disingenuous at best.

Not if that asshole get's rewarded and has a fanbase, no, I don't think it is disingenuous. When people refuse to have matches with him, give him money, and he gets blacklisted over the genre, then I'll buy the rhetoric.

I do the same to video gaming as a whole thanks to us supporting Darksyde Phil, too.

So, are all FPSers/Battle Royalty (I just made that up!) supposed to answer for Dr. Disrespect and his antics? In the game and in his personal life?

The indie game players must rally together and apologize for Markiplier and PewDiePie?

Moba players will once again regain creditability once they denounce Pink Sparkles and her rage ways, I gather.

Every scene has assholes. And they'll have a crowd of people who are also assholes themselves, or people who just love to see a trash fire. You call them what they are. Outliers. You move on and see what else is out there.

Because for every LTG, I can name a Smug, a Spooky, A Gootecks, a Woolie, a Maximilian, A Tasty Steve, a Sajam, a TKbreezy and EE, and more.

Hate him all you want. A lot of us in the community do. But don't paint us all the same because we haven't... Look, I don't even know what we could do? Prevent him from buying video games? There are more videos about him being a horrible sport and mocking his temperament than there are of his actual game play.

A sporting organization is only as reputable as its least reputable members. And honestly, some of the shit these eSports wags get up to, would have them thrown off the pitch of any game at any level.

 

[Bilious Green_v1legacy]

I think the only reason I never got into them is because I'm just not interested in beating up on people. If we lived in an alternate universe where every fighting game had been about swordfighting, I probably would have been all over it.

Have you looked at Soul Calibur, The Last Blade, or Samurai Showdown? Hell, For Honor could pretty much count as well. There have been many weapon based fighting games over the years.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

I think the only reason I never got into them is because I'm just not interested in beating up on people. If we lived in an alternate universe where every fighting game had been about swordfighting, I probably would have been all over it.

Have you looked at Soul Calibur, The Last Blade, or Samurai Showdown? Hell, For Honor could pretty much count as well. There have been many weapon based fighting games over the years.

Not a fighting game perse, but Kingdom Come: Deliverance is one of the most immersive sword-based games around. The combat is grounded and highly detailed in terms of physics, what weapon type works best against different types of armor, what sword strike can best exploit armor types, etc. You even sharpen your sword in real time and have full control over the angle and pressure of how well it sharpens on the grindstone.

But being an RPG it?s of course only a fraction of what the game entails.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Outside of physically unplugging your foe's controller or using intentional lag causing programs when playing online or something like that, there's nothing unfair. Talking about playing fair is the best way to brand yourself a scrub at locals when it comes to fighting games. Everything is put in the game for a reason. If a game has something really unbalanced it's just a bad game but using the thing is not unfair still. You just don't take those games seriously. Most games are not like that though, so in those cases talks of playing fairly don't apply and reveal one to be ignorant.


When something seems unfair in a generally respected game, your job is to inquire about it and learn what you have to do to deal with it. Just giving up and calling things unfair when you can just learn to deal with them won't make you improve. All it does is make you feel better in the short term for losing since if something you lost to was unfair it can't have possibly been your fault.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

Outside of physically unplugging your foe's controller or using intentional lag causing programs when playing online or something like that, there's nothing unfair. Talking about playing fair is the best way to brand yourself a scrub at locals when it comes to fighting games. Everything is put in the game for a reason. If a game has something really unbalanced it's just a bad game but using the thing is not unfair still. You just don't take those games seriously. Most games are not like that though, so in those cases talks of playing fairly don't apply and reveal one to be ignorant.

Yet people get away with talking like that non stop. "Yolo bullshit" "No footsies" "Flowchart" "Meta characters", the list goes on, not to mention other arcane etiquette like not switching characters in between sets is apparently a massive no-no.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

I think the only reason I never got into them is because I'm just not interested in beating up on people. If we lived in an alternate universe where every fighting game had been about swordfighting, I probably would have been all over it.

Have you looked at Soul Calibur, The Last Blade, or Samurai Showdown? Hell, For Honor could pretty much count as well. There have been many weapon based fighting games over the years.

There's also the old Bushido Blade games back in the PS1 days. That's been a favorite couch comp game with my group even to this day.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Outside of physically unplugging your foe's controller or using intentional lag causing programs when playing online or something like that, there's nothing unfair. Talking about playing fair is the best way to brand yourself a scrub at locals when it comes to fighting games. Everything is put in the game for a reason. If a game has something really unbalanced it's just a bad game but using the thing is not unfair still. You just don't take those games seriously. Most games are not like that though, so in those cases talks of playing fairly don't apply and reveal one to be ignorant.

Yet people get away with talking like that non stop. "Yolo bullshit" "No footsies" "Flowchart" "Meta characters", the list goes on, not to mention other arcane etiquette like not switching characters in between sets is apparently a massive no-no.

Nah, they don't get away with it anywhere that counts. Also most of the people who hear them speak like that are looking down on them.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

If they act like that and still get fans and money for it, yes. Same for Pewds, Mark, and Pink. OR AT LEAST STOP REWARDING THEM.

That's like saying you're to blame for a mass stabbing or a vehicle attack because you live in the same town as the guy who actually did it.

Refuse to play him. You see one of his tags, drop out right there. Give him nothing.

In any other competitive sport, people like him would be blacklisted, teams would refuse to hire him. He wouldn't be playing in any level or setting where people actually pay money to see it.

You're right. But the difference is that those are Sports Organizations that have billions of dollars poured into them. We're a loose bunch of gaming enthusiasts that every so often has a company look at our way and throws a few thousand dollars our way. LTG isn't a part of any team I'm aware of.

Look, you dislike the guy. I dislike the guy. But there are extremes. You're asking an entire community to shoot themselves in the foot [https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/aug/17/new-street-fighter-5-rage-quit-penalty-implemented-24-hour-ban-and-1000-lp-loss-serial-rage-quitters/] because one guy plays the same game they do.

Instead of saving at least two ragequits because of a laggy, unplayable game... Let's just chuck those games out of the window because we might run into LowTierGod?

I'm sorry, this mindset never made sense to me and it never will. LowTierGod isn't the FGC. He's a trash fire that a small segment finds amusing.

A sporting organization is only as reputable as its least reputable members. And honestly, some of the shit these eSports wags get up to, would have them thrown off the pitch of any game at any level.

That's actually just your perspective. I view those who do the best to be the most important. I weigh Maximilian higher than most other members because he brings more interest to playing games and how fun they can be. He's added thousands of more people into the scene. A damn sight higher number than LTG ever did.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

That's like saying you're to blame for a mass stabbing or a vehicle attack because you live in the same town as the guy who actually did it.

That analogy only holds true if I live there and publicize the attacker for money.

You're right. But the difference is that those are Sports Organizations that have billions of dollars poured into them. We're a loose bunch of gaming enthusiasts that every so often has a company look at our way and throws a few thousand dollars our way. LTG isn't a part of any team I'm aware of.

it costs nothing to blacklist him. It costs nothing to refuse him to play him. It really costs nothing to not buy his merch and pourmoney into his channel. It costs nothing to not patronize his streams.

But people do, and therefore, people reward him. I'm going to keep saying it until that's rectified.

You're asking an entire community to shoot themselves in the foot [https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/aug/17/new-street-fighter-5-rage-quit-penalty-implemented-24-hour-ban-and-1000-lp-loss-serial-rage-quitters/] because one guy plays the same game they do.

No shooting needed. Just some simple self policing. This measure specifically is half-assed, but I'll give em a C- for at least attempting.

Instead of saving at least two ragequits because of a laggy, unplayable game... Let's just chuck those games out of the window because we might run into LowTierGod?

OR...OR...we can just stop playing with and paying Low Tier God money.

LowTierGod isn't the FGC. He's a trash fire that a small segment finds amusing.

Then do something about that trash fire or be willing to put up with the slings and arrows that rightly come from tending that fire and allowing it to burn.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

If they act like that and still get fans and money for it, yes. Same for Pewds, Mark, and Pink. OR AT LEAST STOP REWARDING THEM.

That's like saying you're to blame for a mass stabbing or a vehicle attack because you live in the same town as the guy who actually did it.

Refuse to play him. You see one of his tags, drop out right there. Give him nothing.

In any other competitive sport, people like him would be blacklisted, teams would refuse to hire him. He wouldn't be playing in any level or setting where people actually pay money to see it.

You're right. But the difference is that those are Sports Organizations that have billions of dollars poured into them. We're a loose bunch of gaming enthusiasts that every so often has a company look at our way and throws a few thousand dollars our way. LTG isn't a part of any team I'm aware of.

Look, you dislike the guy. I dislike the guy. But there are extremes. You're asking an entire community to shoot themselves in the foot [https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/aug/17/new-street-fighter-5-rage-quit-penalty-implemented-24-hour-ban-and-1000-lp-loss-serial-rage-quitters/] because one guy plays the same game they do.

Instead of saving at least two ragequits because of a laggy, unplayable game... Let's just chuck those games out of the window because we might run into LowTierGod?

I'm sorry, this mindset never made sense to me and it never will. LowTierGod isn't the FGC. He's a trash fire that a small segment finds amusing.

A sporting organization is only as reputable as its least reputable members. And honestly, some of the shit these eSports wags get up to, would have them thrown off the pitch of any game at any level.

That's actually just your perspective. I view those who do the best to be the most important. I weigh Maximilian higher than most other members because he brings more interest to playing games and how fun they can be. He's added thousands of more people into the scene. A damn sight higher number than LTG ever did.

I have no idea who these people are, and honestly I don?t give a squirt of piss. But, if they want to be treated like sportsmen, they can learn some fucking sportsmanship.

 

[Bilious Green_v1legacy]

I have no idea who these people are, and honestly I don?t give a squirt of piss. But, if they want to be treated like sportsmen, they can learn some fucking sportsmanship.

There is actually a lot of sportsmanship in the FGC; the Japanese and Korean players are all very respectful. Its really just a small subset of the American players that act like jackasses and think that BM is cool.

 

[balladbird]

I've actually had fairly positive experiences in most of my interactions with the fighting game community. Granted, a lot of my experience with them, especially when I was first starting off, comes from actually physically interacting with people at events/arcadee, and people tend to behave differently in real life than they do on the internet, but even on the internet I've had a lot of fun. Most people tend to be fairly nice and helpful. There is a bit of a smug elitism problem in certain strata of the community to be sure, but that's true of basically every online community I've ever observed. Hell, even here on the escapist, I can remember a time... back before the political divide truly exploded, when the absolute worst thing you could possibly be (in the eyes of some) was a person who dared to play video games on a console. Just don't interact with the assholes and enjoy the normal people who make up the overwhelming majority of the group.

I guess I'm what you'd call a journeyman-level fighting game player. I can't be bothered to count frames, or precisely clock recovery times... there comes a point where play becomes work, and I'm not about that life, but I have a large body of experience with a lot of fighting game series, I've learned the combos of my favorites, and I practice against the full roster regularly to learn how best to act in specific matchups. As a result, I'd say I'm pretty good, but I'm far from great. I win the majority of my online matchups, but Tekken is the only game I've ever played for which I could participate in a tournament without utterly embarrassing myself.

I can't fault anyone who doesn't like the multiplayer aspect of the games, though. I'm the same way usually. If I hadn't fallen into the community at a young age, I'd probably never have considered it... I play games to escape from other people, not interact with them. A few of the titles have really stellar single player modes though. Arcsys in particular.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

That analogy only holds true if I live there and publicize the attacker for money.

Actually, it holds exactly true because he's just apart of your community. You might not publicize him, but someone else in your community gives him money for services be it his job or around the yard work. But these people are still apart of your community.

The key difference is you went to yourself when we were talking about the community, yet you are calling out the FGC as a whole. That is not fair. I never gave a cent to LTG. I'm sure other FGC here haven't done the same. But we're being judged by him and the amount of fools that are present in every society or community.

I will not judge you for the assortment of ne'er-do-wells and people who richly deserved bans on this very forum. While I know you're stressing the idea of payment and you'll probably draw the line there, I don't hold you responsible for their actions. I don't hold you responsible for the like minded spirits that became friends with those people.

I can look at you as a person apart of our community and judge you by your own merits. I don't look at our community at a whole and blast all of us because they exist.

it costs nothing to blacklist him. It costs nothing to refuse him to play him. It really costs nothing to not buy his merch and pourmoney into his channel. It costs nothing to not patronize his streams. But people do, and therefore, people reward him. I'm going to keep saying it until that's rectified.

Yeah, and I've done all of that. Literally, you're taking your knowledge and expecting the entire world to have the same. Do you know how many people don't even know who LTG is? My toe is barely in the Smash Scene, do you think I know the Equivalent of LTG is? I'm sure there is one, there's one in every community.

I still on the occasion watch Starcraft 2. Don't know who the LTG there is either.

Again, no one here is saying he should be rewarded. No one here does. Some jackasses do.

No shooting needed. Just some simple self policing. This measure specifically is half-assed, but I'll give em a C- for at least attempting.

This feeds into my next point

Instead of saving at least two ragequits because of a laggy, unplayable game... Let's just chuck those games out of the window because we might run into LowTierGod?

OR...OR...we can just stop playing with and paying Low Tier God money.

I've never played LTG. I don't know anyone who ever has. I don't know anyone who has given him money. I have not positively influenced this man in one moment of our shared time on this earth. However, even still... that's not enough, correct? Because it's not enough that I don't support him. I must find a way to ostracize a person from a nebulous and ill defined concept as a fighting game community that spans the entire world and is regulated by people who might not even know who this guy is?

Then do something about that trash fire or be willing to put up with the slings and arrows that rightly come from tending that fire and allowing it to burn.

When you have receipts of you and yours cleaning up every community you belong to, that will have a lot more weight. But the difference is... I will not judge you for what others do. I hope you can step back and realize you're actually promoting the very definition of Prejudice towards the FGC because of one man and his cronies.

If you don't get why that is a problem, I don't know if further conversation is even warranted.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

If they act like that and still get fans and money for it, yes. Same for Pewds, Mark, and Pink. OR AT LEAST STOP REWARDING THEM.

That's like saying you're to blame for a mass stabbing or a vehicle attack because you live in the same town as the guy who actually did it.

Refuse to play him. You see one of his tags, drop out right there. Give him nothing.

In any other competitive sport, people like him would be blacklisted, teams would refuse to hire him. He wouldn't be playing in any level or setting where people actually pay money to see it.

You're right. But the difference is that those are Sports Organizations that have billions of dollars poured into them. We're a loose bunch of gaming enthusiasts that every so often has a company look at our way and throws a few thousand dollars our way. LTG isn't a part of any team I'm aware of.

Look, you dislike the guy. I dislike the guy. But there are extremes. You're asking an entire community to shoot themselves in the foot [https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/aug/17/new-street-fighter-5-rage-quit-penalty-implemented-24-hour-ban-and-1000-lp-loss-serial-rage-quitters/] because one guy plays the same game they do.

Instead of saving at least two ragequits because of a laggy, unplayable game... Let's just chuck those games out of the window because we might run into LowTierGod?

I'm sorry, this mindset never made sense to me and it never will. LowTierGod isn't the FGC. He's a trash fire that a small segment finds amusing.

A sporting organization is only as reputable as its least reputable members. And honestly, some of the shit these eSports wags get up to, would have them thrown off the pitch of any game at any level.

That's actually just your perspective. I view those who do the best to be the most important. I weigh Maximilian higher than most other members because he brings more interest to playing games and how fun they can be. He's added thousands of more people into the scene. A damn sight higher number than LTG ever did.

Plus Max isn?t an insufferable a-hole; he actually seems pretty affable and entertaining. I mean, he can be very opinionated but usually there?s good reasoning for it. Like with MK?s Krypt progression design, and hopefully it helps things like that change for the better.

But for the other guy...yeah, should be treated no differently than how XBL/PSN will ban users for bad behavior. Just kick out the bad apple before their bs has any chance of spreading out of check (which history shows is bound to happen - ie nearly any internet chat board).

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Reading these posts I'm confused cause I'm sure that salty dude has never played Blazblue in his life or in any of his streams lol. He sounds like a stereotype of the worst sf player ever that he must have intentionally crafted himself to be XD. This is not even blaming someone for living I the same city as someone else. This is blaming basketball players for there being football hooligans cause both sports use a ball as far as I'm concerned.

Again, the FGC is not a monolith. Hell, even the language we use to write moves down differs. We use numbers and letters like 236C while the sf people would write something like "fireball fierce" and tekken people use numbers for buttons and not directions, herecy! lol

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

Reading these posts I'm confused cause I'm sure that salty dude has never played Blazblue in his life or in any of his streams lol. He sounds like a stereotype of the worst sf player ever that he must have intentionally crafted himself to be XD. This is not even blaming someone for living I the same city as someone else. This is blaming basketball players for there being football hooligans cause both sports use a ball as far as I'm concerned.

How many times do I have to say that his existence isn't the problem I'm talking about, it's how his behavior is rewarded.

 

[Lufia Erim]

Reading these posts I'm confused cause I'm sure that salty dude has never played Blazblue in his life or in any of his streams lol. He sounds like a stereotype of the worst sf player ever that he must have intentionally crafted himself to be XD. This is not even blaming someone for living I the same city as someone else. This is blaming basketball players for there being football hooligans cause both sports use a ball as far as I'm concerned.

Again, the FGC is not a monolith. Hell, even the language we use to write moves down differs. We use numbers and letters like 236C while the sf people would write something like "fireball fierce" and tekken people use numbers for buttons and not directions, herecy! lol

I agree it's disheartening. Basically, the dude hates LTGs Online persona. I guarantee the likelyhood,he ever plays or even meets LTG is 0 to none.

But hey it's the internet, what are you gonna do? People make up all sorts of reasons to argue a point.

 

[Lufia Erim]

Reading these posts I'm confused cause I'm sure that salty dude has never played Blazblue in his life or in any of his streams lol. He sounds like a stereotype of the worst sf player ever that he must have intentionally crafted himself to be XD. This is not even blaming someone for living I the same city as someone else. This is blaming basketball players for there being football hooligans cause both sports use a ball as far as I'm concerned.

How many times do I have to say that his existence isn't the problem I'm talking about, it's how his behavior is rewarded.

What rewards? He's a youtuber.If anything Blame youtube. Tournaments have rules. Orgsnized Meet ups, have rules. In person, he CANNOT do anything to you or anyone else, lest he get's kicked out. What he does in online environments, Or youtube has nothing to do with the FGC.

Edit: As far as i can tell, LTG isn't even a sponsored player. He pays the entrance fee like everyone else. Doesn't get invited to exclusive events like Capcom cup. And pays for his own travel expenses.

Basically he is just an average joe, with a youtube, whos really good at Street fighter.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

What rewards?

Fans, MONEY, National TV appearance. You ever been on TV, slick? I ain't.

What he does in online environments, Or youtube has nothing to do with the FGC.

That, my lad, is where you're wrong. People stop watching, stop giving him money, and stop playing him, he withers up and dies on the scene, and guess who that responsibility is on? THE COMMUNITY.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

You're conflating twitch-monsters, tv stations that have standards that tolerate things like reality shows and Judge Judye and a million other trashy things and youtube viewership with the FGC.


Those are all separate entities, separate communities and separate viewerships. I legit have nothing to do with anything SF players do in its entirety and never have had in my competitive career. The closest I came to was one day where we had a 24 hour marathon gaming session for charity in our local venue that invited everyone who came there so I met some of the people that came on the SF days.

Again, just because both sports use a ball it doesn't make them all one community.