Windows 8, Tablets Blamed For Record Drop In PC Sales
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Havn't had any issues with windows 7 personally i'll admit it's a crap piece of DRM takes ages to update but it works on windows 7, it just flat our errored on windows 8.xXSnowyXx said:
Whilst I admit it's crap no 2 ways about it, should still work on windows 8 if it works on 7 considering it's M$'s own software.
There is nothing wrong with Windows 8.
It's optimized very well, and to me that's all that matters. The performance is way ahead of my experience with 7. Otherwise, very little has changed for the average user from 7, except for the Tablet functionality, which I don't need or use -- but the Start screen has grown on me.
I have had literally zero issues with 8 -- that I didn't have with 7 or Vista. No compatibility issues.. everything that I want to run, runs fine. You don't even have to use the "Tablet UI" at any point, if you don't want to. But don't let that get in between you and your tirade...
Also, it only cost ~$40 for a full install.. being the cheapest Windows OS I've ever seen.
It's optimized very well, and to me that's all that matters. The performance is way ahead of my experience with 7. Otherwise, very little has changed for the average user from 7, except for the Tablet functionality, which I don't need or use -- but the Start screen has grown on me.
I have had literally zero issues with 8 -- that I didn't have with 7 or Vista. No compatibility issues.. everything that I want to run, runs fine. You don't even have to use the "Tablet UI" at any point, if you don't want to. But don't let that get in between you and your tirade...
Also, it only cost ~$40 for a full install.. being the cheapest Windows OS I've ever seen.
Eh...I've had nothing but trouble with it in the past, though I haven't used it since the early days.Rastien said:
My friend had to use it recently to replay bioshock 2 on Windows 8 and it worked fine afaik, though it didn't auto install like it should've (probs old broken version included in the redists). Really there aren't that many complaints to be had when it comes to compatibility.
But I didn't say any definitive statement, just listed alternative options! I wondered whether the PC platform will disappear, or it will remain a niche for gamers, or evolve into something new.Laurents van Cauwenberghe said:
What is the "opposite" of that, that Kickstarter will cause?
Well good for you. I'm glad your happy with it. But here's the thing. Gamer's don't really drive OS or PC sales all that much. We are what is best considered a somewhat profitable "niche". There are two groups that actually drive PC sales numbers. "Standard retail consumers", people like your Mom and Dad. People who use a basic off the shelf PC for e-mail, facebook etc. A not very demanding group. And "Business Users" Those who use their PC's in a business production environment be it large or small.nexus said:
For the Retail Consumers, Windows 8 is a complete failure, because those users are quite simply gravitating towards smart phones and tablets. Those that do encounter Win 8 tend to hate it. This is a group that likes a certain degree of familiarity from their Operating System. When forced to a decision point with Win 8, they are far more likely to simply get a Mac or switch to a Tablet. There was a great Youtube video during Windows 8's beta, where a beta tester sat his father down in front of the new OS. It was one of the most telling analysis's of the systems flaws, very simply presented. MS failed to pay attention.
For the Business users it is as I said earlier, a true abomination. Business environments do not care about "optimization", at least not the same way that you do. For them optimization is reflected in ease of navigation or use, minimizing training and support costs, and overall costs of ownership. Right now the costs of ownership of Win 8 for a business are truly obscene. With no perceivable production benefit to actually switching to the new OS. Small businesses have been particularly burned by MS's business practice decisions with Win 8. Often in a business of less than 20 employees a down or failed computer is something that must be dealt with very quickly. In the past they could easily simply dispatch someone down to the local Office Supply Store or Best Buy to grab an off the shelf PC to meat their needs. With Win 8 they cannot do this. The retailers are restricted to Win 8 only, no options. So the small business has to endure days of downtime waiting on a custom built/business class system from Dell or HP, etc. It's had a few of my small clients switching to Mac's.
This has probably been said:
These figures represent "unit" sales, a unit is considered to be a complete device (monitor included) with an OS installed etc. This isn't representative of component sales, which include devices with no OS installed or those that ship sans a monitor.
These figures represent "unit" sales, a unit is considered to be a complete device (monitor included) with an OS installed etc. This isn't representative of component sales, which include devices with no OS installed or those that ship sans a monitor.
Start8 by Stardock solves the problem, the charms bar and hot corners are there but you can just ignore them, it re adds the search bar and old start button and menu so you can just type Control panel into search or hit the windows button and go straight to control panel as per win 7 .lithium.jelly said:
It also disables Metro booting, it boots straight to desktop so its well worth the 5 bucks.
This is what my desktop and start menu look like.
Seeing as Windows 8 is hardly a good choice for desktop computers, and people are making downloads like Start8 to work around the Windows 8 OS to keep it like 7, I think that shows a massive problem here. Windows 8 is meant for tablets, it's not very good for PCs, so I can understand the decline
Ah Windows 8, the graphicaly dressed down windows 7 which sticks tablet in your face. Cuz tabluts arr teh fjusure! Least it runs a bit faster. Leats its not VISTA. Realy, the tablet stuff is annoying, but nowhere near as much of a gawddamn... (words) vista.
Seems like a great time for smaller OEMs to make a killing by offering Win7 machines though.
And I dont realy buy it that Win8 is causing that kind of shift in sales. Its likely the casual computer using consumers switching over to something easier to understand and carry around, as well as the desktop computers now going obsolete actualy still being functional with todays software.
It will probably stabalize in a while. Tablets are fun playthings, can do basic computery stuff, BUT are still complete rubbish when it comes to input speed and accuracy, typing and working with anything that needs to display large amouths of information at the time (excel, adobe acrobat, photoshop, whatnot). Not to mention the games on them are... well lets just say inherentely pretty limited.
There will be a pretty solid market laptops and desktop computers untill we invent telepathic interface.
Seems like a great time for smaller OEMs to make a killing by offering Win7 machines though.
And I dont realy buy it that Win8 is causing that kind of shift in sales. Its likely the casual computer using consumers switching over to something easier to understand and carry around, as well as the desktop computers now going obsolete actualy still being functional with todays software.
It will probably stabalize in a while. Tablets are fun playthings, can do basic computery stuff, BUT are still complete rubbish when it comes to input speed and accuracy, typing and working with anything that needs to display large amouths of information at the time (excel, adobe acrobat, photoshop, whatnot). Not to mention the games on them are... well lets just say inherentely pretty limited.
There will be a pretty solid market laptops and desktop computers untill we invent telepathic interface.
And this is why we keep a number of our decomissioned XP machines around. Realy, dont throw all of those out.faefrost said:
I suspect though that the poor state of the economy has at least some impact as people who are struggling to make ends meet are not going to go out and buy a new PC, they are going to make do.Aetheora said:
And yeah having to download start8 to make it useable to the average user is a bad sign, Stardock who made it said in their company survey that its been downloaded millions of times now. That and the CEO slated Win 8 and they are a Windows approved software developer.
As long as it's made official that windows 8 is steamy disfunctionate sludge that doesn't even qualify as garbage I'm happy. I tried to give it a chance and it is just awful, both interface and functionality wise.
It isn't Windows 8's fault. The problem is that XP and 7 both work fine for most people. We are reaching a saturation point where most people have computers and don't need to upgrade. Heck, most people don't even know the difference between mac's snow leopard and lion OSs. I didn't even know they were on Mountain Lion until I was talking to a mac user about it a few weeks ago.