Witchcraft? Seriously, what the hell.

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Marbas

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Helnurath said:
I think its obvious everyone knew exactly what I meant with "female spellcasting abiliy", and as far as the information on Satanism I posted, what is incorrect?
It was that that ticked me off. That's why I complained about you being "obfuscatory". To call that spell casting is to really ignore a greater context of occult practices and is simply a pointless aesthetic trapping that obscures the meaning of a practice. It made me angry, I'm sorry. Also the dancing around a tree thing was kind of wrong, you obviously ruled out theistic satanism as a non-existent practice.
 

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And yet people wonder why God sends tornados there all the time... Seriously people like this are so stupid they are far bayond help, they clearly have been brainwashed or something, actually believing that witchcraft works.
 

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/sigh....

HELLO, THE SOUTH! THIS IS THE TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY REQUESTING ADMITTANCE UNTO YOUR BORDERS!
Erana said:
I wanna cast a spell...
But you didn't memories any and so OGRES.
 

Helnurath

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Marbas said:
Helnurath said:
I think its obvious everyone knew exactly what I meant with "female spellcasting abiliy", and as far as the information on Satanism I posted, what is incorrect?
It was that that ticked me off. That's why I complained about you being "obfuscatory". To call that spell casting is to really ignore a greater context of occult practices and is simply a pointless aesthetic trapping that obscures the meaning of a practice. It made me angry, I'm sorry. Also the dancing around a tree thing was kind of wrong, you obviously ruled out theistic satanism as a non-existent practice.
So I take it your theistic Satanist, or know a few, and you got offended when I called women using seduction/manipulation to get what they want "spell casting" Even though in LaVeyan satanism, it is a part of the ritual/spell being done. (I can quote information from both the Satanic Bible and The Satanic Rituals to support this) As far as my tree comment goes, that was a jab at Skyclad Wicca, not theistic Satanism.
 

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RufusMcLaser said:
*snicker*
Yes, because there's nothing less likely to raise suspicion than a goat in the girl's locker room. What kind of school did you go to?

a school with a mascot that was a live animal.
Guess I walked right into that one.
 

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Helnurath said:
Marbas said:
Helnurath said:
I think its obvious everyone knew exactly what I meant with "female spellcasting abiliy", and as far as the information on Satanism I posted, what is incorrect?
It was that that ticked me off. That's why I complained about you being "obfuscatory". To call that spell casting is to really ignore a greater context of occult practices and is simply a pointless aesthetic trapping that obscures the meaning of a practice. It made me angry, I'm sorry. Also the dancing around a tree thing was kind of wrong, you obviously ruled out theistic satanism as a non-existent practice.
So I take it your theistic Satanist, or know a few, and you got offended when I called women using seduction/manipulation to get what they want "spell casting". As far as my tree comment goes, that was a jab at Skyclad Wicca, not theistic Satanism.
I know a few, yeah. I admit, I definitely overreacted. I myself deconverted to standard Atheism some time ago but they still remain my friends. Even though I have a demonic sigil as my avatar I'm atheist.

D:

Sorry.

Also Skyclad Wicca is pretty funny. I wonder how many of the Wiccans here are actually Wiccans and not Eclectic Neo-Pagans? As in they can state their degree and lineage.
 

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Oklahoma- together with Kansas and Arkansas, it's the hard, stupid core of American right-wing conservatism.* I mean, the kind other American conservatives (the kind that call themselves Classical Liberals or Southpark Republicans) are embarrassed by. The left has Berkeley. You get the picture, surely.
Perhaps some of you furrinners** think the whole of the U.S. is run by people who think like that school board, but it's not. There's a great deal more squawking in the media by Christians (who, I should ad, the mainstream media holds with some contempt) who feel threatened by the pervasive secularization of American culture. I don't have much time for them, either.
But the sort of discrimination- I think we can all agree to call that spade a spade- is rare, especially from a public school. It was an outrage. I'd like to think it could only happen following the Columbine shootings- those of you who were in school then might remember what it as like. A lot of schools suddenly became very frightened of their nonconformists; plenty prohibited wearing black clothes. My high school was closed for a day because someone scrawled a nasty note in a bathroom stall about some popular kids deserving to die. It was a very paranoid time and a lot of schools got away with policies that wouldn't have flown otherwise. Please keep that in mind.

Just so I'm clear, I'm opposed to this in general and in specific. I've gone to school with Southern Baptists, Wiccans, Pagans, and most the in-between. I by far prefer the Wiccans. I'm one of those bland, non-militant atheists that wishes we should all get along, so long as public policy isn't based on scriptures.

*Unless you count those neo-Nazi wackjobs out in Montana and Idaho.
**That's "foreigners" rendered with an ignorant Southern accent
 

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RufusMcLaser said:
Oklahoma- together with Kansas and Arkansas, it's the hard, stupid core of American right-wing conservatism.* I mean, the kind other American conservatives (the kind that call themselves Classical Liberals or Southpark Republicans) are embarrassed by. The left has Berkeley. You get the picture, surely.
Perhaps some of you furrinners** think the whole of the U.S. is run by people who think like that school board, but it's not. There's a great deal more squawking in the media by Christians (who, I should ad, the mainstream media holds with some contempt) who feel threatened by the pervasive secularization of American culture. I don't have much time for them, either.
But the sort of discrimination- I think we can all agree to call that spade a spade- is rare, especially from a public school. It was an outrage. I'd like to think it could only happen following the Columbine shootings- those of you who were in school then might remember what it as like. A lot of schools suddenly became very frightened of their nonconformists; plenty prohibited wearing black clothes. My high school was closed for a day because someone scrawled a nasty note in a bathroom stall about some popular kids deserving to die. It was a very paranoid time and a lot of schools got away with policies that wouldn't have flown otherwise. Please keep that in mind.

Just so I'm clear, I'm opposed to this in general and in specific. I've gone to school with Southern Baptists, Wiccans, Pagans, and most the in-between. I by far prefer the Wiccans. I'm one of those bland, non-militant atheists that wishes we should all get along, so long as public policy isn't based on scriptures.

*Unless you count those neo-Nazi wackjobs out in Montana and Idaho.
**That's "foreigners" rendered with an ignorant Southern accent
"Look its a newly-wed interracial homosexual couple burning the American flag!, Get them!"

Family Guy said it best.
 

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mattttherman3 said:
And yet people wonder why God sends tornados there all the time... Seriously people like this are so stupid they are far bayond help, they clearly have been brainwashed or something, actually believing that witchcraft works.
Plenty of Southern Baptists, and their ilk, do. You can find some that fill just about every stereotype: heavy metal contains secret messages from Satan, people are regularly possessed by demons, Pagans sacrifice babies in ovens, the Earth is 6000 years old and scientists who say otherwise are part of the conspiracy, and so forth. You'll find people of this sort in the margins of every religion, or even running the show in some places.
 

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RufusMcLaser said:
Oklahoma- together with Kansas and Arkansas, it's the hard, stupid core of American right-wing conservatism.* I mean, the kind other American conservatives (the kind that call themselves Classical Liberals or Southpark Republicans) are embarrassed by.
Really, I live in these "stupid" States and compared to the BS of growing up in L.A and San Bernardo I will glady take a group of people who go out of there way to actually help other people. Honestly take your views of the south and come visit this place. The people are some of the nicest people I have ever met. Everyone will go out of their way to help people unlike the 909.

But then again hey,It's easy to take shots at the south. True they may not have the money and fame as California did. But overall the south is a wonderful place of caring people.
 

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ffxfriek said:
PedroSteckecilo said:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/01/going_back_to_our_puritan_root.php

This disturbs me quite a bit, I've read historical witchcraft trials that pan out the exact way. And banning all Non-Christian symbols? Isn't this some kind of violation of the constitution?
Americans, please tell me this kind of thing only happens in places like Oklahoma.
sorry i cant. the way the US is turning and teh world Christians will/are once again being persecuted and whiped from teh history books. In the pledge of allegience its not law to skip the part of Under God.
didn't get a single word of that. seriously man, read what you write before you post it.
As far as the issue at hand goes, it really bothers me. I consider myself a christian but I certainly don't hold with the schools actions, and its depressing to know that many people who hear this story will assume that everyone who believes in God acts like this. For the record, there are plenty of Christians out there who aren't total bastards. While I might not have shared this girls viewpoint, I would never harass or persecute her because of it.
 

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NXMT said:
When you still have police detaining goats for armed robbery, anything is possible.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090123/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_nigeria_robbery_goat
I have a Nigerian housemate at uni and sadly witchcraft is a common belief in Nigeria. It seems odd too in the light of the fact he's a pentecostal christian...but then he also belives in UFOs...
He's an alright guy though just naive.
 

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Chiasm said:
RufusMcLaser said:
Oklahoma- together with Kansas and Arkansas, it's the hard, stupid core of American right-wing conservatism.* I mean, the kind other American conservatives (the kind that call themselves Classical Liberals or Southpark Republicans) are embarrassed by.
Really, I live in these "stupid" States and compared to the BS of growing up in L.A and San Bernardo I will glady take a group of people who go out of there way to actually help other people. Honestly take your views of the south and come visit this place. The people are some of the nicest people I have ever met. Everyone will go out of their way to help people unlike the 909.

But then again hey,It's easy to take shots at the south. True they may not have the money and fame as California did. But overall the south is a wonderful place of caring people.
As long as you dont tell them your not Christian, otherwise its
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCh2FXzD6R4

Dont get me wrong though, there are plenty of christians in the Midwest and South that are nice and helpful regardless of what religion you belong to.
 

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snowplow said:
PAGANS?

Do you guys like eat people and stuff? How do you get away with murdering people for your rituals and appeasing the spirits or whatever it is you do. Or orgies.
I wish, it would help with the over-population problem.
 

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That's extremely disturbing. I'd say that this is unconstitutional...and stupid...and superstitious.
Oklahoma is regressing back to the time when all diseases were caused by demons instead of just the ones that cause people to be crazy.
 

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Helnurath said:
Erana said:
I wanna cast a spell...
Women have natural "spell" casting abilites that require no reagents or rituals.

Look into the Satanic Witch for more information.
So I don't need to wear a monocle?
 

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I believe it's safe to say that without witchcraft there wouldn't be maple syrup. think about it...
 

RufusMcLaser

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Chiasm said:
RufusMcLaser said:
Oklahoma- together with Kansas and Arkansas, it's the hard, stupid core of American right-wing conservatism.* I mean, the kind other American conservatives (the kind that call themselves Classical Liberals or Southpark Republicans) are embarrassed by.
Really, I live in these "stupid" States and compared to the BS of growing up in L.A and San Bernardo I will glady take a group of people who go out of there way to actually help other people. Honestly take your views of the south and come visit this place. The people are some of the nicest people I have ever met. Everyone will go out of their way to help people unlike the 909.

But then again hey,It's easy to take shots at the south. True they may not have the money and fame as California did. But overall the south is a wonderful place of caring people.
Ehrrmmmm.... Maybe. I don't care for the kinds of ignorance I've encountered while living in various Southern states. You're right, though; I would've been just as annoyed if it was SoCal. There are all kinds of ignorance. I saw kids ostracized because they were Catholic, or because they dated someone who wasn't white. The same thing happens everywhere; up north it was for equally ignorant or petty reasons.
I've never been impressed by Southern hospitality, but that may be because I've found "country" folk to be friendly everywhere in the U.S.