Women aren't Babies

[Charli]

But damn would you need alot of lube.

Wh... Why wold bring that up? Fine. Whatever. I didn't want to sleep tonight anyway.

*cackle* Let the image of dusty old vagina haunt your nightmaaares.

Okay okay. I'll stop now.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

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It's different. I can play Call of Duty as a man and get called names once or twice, particularly if I play particularly badly or well. A woman will log on and be insulted near constantly, ganged up on despite the official teams and threatened with rape and death and cancer. Yes, I've endured a few online taunts in my time, but they were one or two at a time, usually connected with my actions. I once saw one of my female gamer friends get insulted for twenty minutes straight without a single pause in people attacking her verbally until she eventually quit just to give her ears a rest. It's a wholly different situation.

And no, I don't remember the last time we had an Escapist article because someone called a black man an offensive racist slur, but I do remember the last time the police came and arrested someone in a bar I was playing at for racially insulting someone. Also, given that the UK is now considering a bill which will allow people to receive the information of people who racially insult or slander them online, I might very soon be seeing the Escapist article about a man being taken to court for using racial slurs in an online match.

It is more wrong to call a woman a sexist slur than it is to call a man a dickhead, just like it's more wrong to call a black man a racist slur than it is to call a white man a dickhead or a homosexual man a ****** than it is to call a striaght man a dickhead. Calling someone a bad name is insulting, calling someone a name specific to their gender, race, religion or sexuality is prejudice and the beginnings of a hate crime.

I do treat women as individuals, and if I saw an individual beginning harassed and threatened with rape because they were a women then I'd report their attacker to the police. It's got nothing to do with their gender, it's got to do with the fact that prejudice and hate crime is wrong. If someone found a way to insult me as a white man specifically (say if I moved to Saudi Arabia somewhere) then I'd expect the same courtesy, and I wouldn't get insulted and angry at people who were trying to help me, even if it was perhaps misguided and over-compensating.

 

[Clearing the Eye]

A woman will log on and be insulted near constantly, ganged up on despite the official teams and threatened with rape and death and cancer.

Conjecture. We've already talked about this in the thread. The amount of harassment women receive gaming is so blown out of proportion that it's mind boggling. It's become accepted to simply claim women as a whole get "insulted near constantly," despite no one proving it. All we ever get is a couple of examples and some personal experience. Want personal experience? I've only ever seen one female friend be called a name--tranny. One. Ever. Number of men I've seen troll each other and be general assholes? Countless.

You know why men pretend to be women online? For attention. People rush to flirt and hopefully win "her" attention. There's a reason for the "roll a female character in an MMO for free stuff" joke.

 

[Smeatza]

Dude, I was just posting some light comedy before I went to bed.
Now you've gone and got all serious and I have to reply back.

Men and women didn't get along before. Men were fine, they told women to be quiet and lie back and think of England.

Human beings have never really got along, I don't think anyone (especially Dave Chapelle) will tell you otherwise.

Dave seems to be reminiscing on his childhood when adult inter-gender iterations were idealised to children, and the differences between boys and girls were quite trivial. Historically men have gotten on TERRIBLY with women. Black men were able to vote in America before any woman of any race.

I hate to break it to you but inter-gender relations are still idealised to children. And the differences between boys and girls are quite trivial compared to the differences between men and women.

Chivalry comes from the days when women were treated as property. Violence against women was a crime against he father or husband, like how killing a slave was considered property damage rather than murder.

Chivalry literally refers to a knight's code of conduct in medieval times. "The Knight's Code of Chivalry was a moral system that stated all knights should protect others who can not protect themselves, such as widows, children, and elders."
In later years it was simply used as a word for good etiquette but it has never (until very recent years) been used exclusively in regards to females.
I don't know where you got this property idea from.

He's very true that men need women more than women need men. And once they are no longer subjugated and kept ill informed the men become superfluous. Look at a lion pack, the lionesses do everything to keep the pack alive from hunting to lookouts to caring for the young, what does the male lion do? Kills other lions. Even cubs. That's his role, to kill his own species. Lionesses are caught in an evolutionary trap, that they cannot escape from because they don't get to chose their male partners, the meanest lions kill the weaker lions and even all their cubs and forcibly impregnate the lionesses.

I really don't see how the behaviour of lions has any relevance here. In any case the purpose of a male lion is to mate and protect his pride. Killing other male lions is the means to that end. Just as is attacking any threats that might come too close.

The implied subtitle to "100 ways to please your man" is "... so you don't have to suck his dick". It could equally be titled "100 ways to easily placate your man". See Dave Chapelle has got it backwards by reading it literally, he thinks this is how to make him happy. This is just to stop him being a drain on the wife. But maybe that is the joke, but the joke is on the men.

"100 ways to please your man" is "... so you don't have to suck his dick" - Yeah that's taking his words out of context.
In any case I'm sure you can forgive him for taking a title literally when it's in a factual magazine that presents itself as a guide for modern women (as these magazines do).

Either that or you're saying that these types of magazine consist only of very subltle, very dry comedy that is parodying the very type of magazine that it is.
Which I doubt.

Here's a crazy thought, women like their breast for SOME OTHER REASON than to service men. Women appreciate the female form, especially their own female form.

Evolution wise breasts are for the purpose of feeding your children and attracting a mate. I wasn't under the impression that on average, women like their breasts anymore than your average man likes his junk. I don't think you can really generalise on all women's taste in aesthetics.

I like my hands, I think they are pretty cool, I don't want to hide them. That doesn't mean I want someone to hire me to do manual labour because I show that I have hands.

Which is pretty much the same point Chappelle makes later on in the video.

Women may be emotional, but men seem far more prevalent to assume their emotions are factual. As in "I got angry and punched him" is not following the fact, it may be RATIONALISED as having a logical reason for being violent but the decision was made before hand and it was an emotional one. Men just don't want to acknowledge their emotions when emotions are in fact our ultimate drive, without them we wouldn't do ANYTHING! We wouldn't ever eat because we'd never be afraid of dying from starvation.

The urge to eat when hungry is not an emotion. Hunger often causes a number of emotions but hunger itself is not one.
Besides from that all I see in this last paragraph is assumptions and generalisations.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

A woman will log on and be insulted near constantly, ganged up on despite the official teams and threatened with rape and death and cancer.

Conjecture. We've already talked about this in the thread. The amount of harassment women receive gaming is so blown out of proportion that it's mind boggling. It's become accepted to simply claim women as a whole get "insulted near constantly," despite no one proving it. All we ever get is a couple of examples and some personal experience. Want personal experience? I've only ever seen one female friend be called a name--tranny. One. Ever. Number of men I've seen troll each other and be general assholes? Countless.

You know why men pretend to be women online? For attention. People rush to flirt and hopefully win "her" attention. There's a reason for the "roll a female character in an MMO for free stuff" joke.

Like I said, my own personal experience has been different. Most of my friends are female, a lot of them are gamers. I've never ever seen them log on and go a whole game without being insulted. Sometimes it reaches the point, as I said, where they pretty much have to leave to avoid earache. I say one game where for twenty straight minutes seven guys who had previously been insulting each other did nothing but insult the one woman who was playing. This is a very different situation from a group of guys all insulting each other equally.

 

[Gigano]

...damn, no wonder they never responded to peak-a-boo pick-up trick then.

OT: It's quite obvious that you can't expect anyone else to take your grievances seriously unless you take everyone else's grievances equally to heart. Ignore but a single one, and why wouldn't everyone who picked yours to ignore be as entitled to do so as you?

So yeah, it's either everything or nothing, otherwise your complaint that others should care about your particular group not getting better treatment lose all rationality and legitimacy.

 

[Treblaine]

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Dave Chapelle said "men and women USED to get along, not any more" so they did and not any more. Yes, inter-gender relations are idealised to children, but Dave Chapelle is obviously still not a child. I didn't take ANYTHING out of context on Dave Chapelle's "100 ways to please a man" joke, as his very next line - the punchline - was that she could just suck his dick. The joke is why try all these silly 100 ways when IF SHE WANTED TO DO WHAT HE WANTED

This is not the magazines using dry humour or sarcasm, they are being discrete. They know the husband just wants his dick sucked but she just doesn't want to do that but don't want to address that issue but still accommodate for it. The women know what men want, but in these magazines they put their heads together thinking how to avoid it and have as platonic relationship as possible.

I get the impression that women are treated like property by an extremely well revered book, The Bible and how law enforcment has operated since 2nd wave feminist action. The bible describes women and slaves in the same term of subservient to their father/husband or owner respectively and orders them to obey them. Under the law violence against women committed by strangers is rigorously investigated yet when the father is the abuser or the husband is the sexual abuser the law is timid. Not till the 1960's was wife beating made unacceptable. Remember "straight to the moon".

You don't understand my analogy with the lions. Lioness doesn't get the chose her mate, the power of the lions does. It kill all the competitors and the lioness has no but to be forcibly impregnated, and the lions kill any of her cubs that were not his own. Now how familiar does this sound to how men have acted in human history? Don't men act like lions without laws to restrain them. Only till comparatively recently in history have women been able to chose their partner.

To MEN, the evolutionary pressure with breast may be for pleasure and feeding babies, so a prostitute of son-making-machine. But to women they don't have that purpose, they have the purpose of the aesthetic. Women clearly are not DRIVEN to like their beauty and breasts for attracting men as it exists even without men. Like how in women's prisons the main contraband after drugs is make-up cosmetics, they want to look good even to each other even without men. Same in other all-female environments.

Dave Chapelle's comment on "whore's uniform" doesn't explain my hands. As he is showing his hands and physical ability yet he wouldn't be described as wearing "a labour's uniform" and would be insulted if he was hastily recruited to work manual labour. Yet a woman even showing her body, her own body is a "whore's uniform" like a policeman's uniform defines his role as a law enforcer. That's a problem right there, it defines women as whores UNLESS they dress conservatively.

The sensation of hunger may not be an "emotion" only if you are being pedantic, as you can feel hungry when not in lack of nutrition and vice versa. Don't talk semantics over "emotions", especially after I specifically mentioned "afraid of starvation". Is fear an emotion? Hunger is definitely a "feeling". My point still stands about how men and women simply deal with feelings differently. Men seem to be in denial how their feelings, emotions and instincts drive them. Women actually try to organise their feelings and address how they affect their decision making while men act like its a foregone conclusion.

 

[deathzero021]

i agree with the OP. it seems people are much quicker to bring up the sexist argument than any other when it comes to media/internet. obviously sexism is a problem but it's not the only problem and simply pointing at it and say "look at that! it's bad!" isn't going to stop it. plenty of men get harassed every day in this world and not very often will someone stick up for them. what would people say to them anyway? "be a man!"...

 

[Smeatza]

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Dave Chapelle said "men and women USED to get along, not any more" so they did and not any more. Yes, inter-gender relations are idealised to children, but Dave Chapelle is obviously still not a child. I didn't take ANYTHING out of context on Dave Chapelle's "100 ways to please a man" joke, as his very next line - the punchline - was that she could just suck his dick. The joke is why try all these silly 100 ways when IF SHE WANTED TO DO WHAT HE WANTED

This is not the magazines using dry humour or sarcasm, they are being discrete. They know the husband just wants his dick sucked but she just doesn't want to do that but don't want to address that issue but still accommodate for it. The women know what men want, but in these magazines they put their heads together thinking how to avoid it and have as platonic relationship as possible.

I get the impression that women are treated like property by an extremely well revered book, The Bible and how law enforcment has operated since 2nd wave feminist action. The bible describes women and slaves in the same term of subservient to their father/husband or owner respectively and orders them to obey them. Under the law violence against women committed by strangers is rigorously investigated yet when the father is the abuser or the husband is the sexual abuser the law is timid. Not till the 1960's was wife beating made unacceptable. Remember "straight to the moon".

You don't understand my analogy with the lions. Lioness doesn't get the chose her mate, the power of the lions does. It kill all the competitors and the lioness has no but to be forcibly impregnated, and the lions kill any of her cubs that were not his own. Now how familiar does this sound to how men have acted in human history? Don't men act like lions without laws to restrain them. Only till comparatively recently in history have women been able to chose their partner.

To MEN, the evolutionary pressure with breast may be for pleasure and feeding babies, so a prostitute of son-making-machine. But to women they don't have that purpose, they have the purpose of the aesthetic. Women clearly are not DRIVEN to like their beauty and breasts for attracting men as it exists even without men. Like how in women's prisons the main contraband after drugs is make-up cosmetics, they want to look good even to each other even without men. Same in other all-female environments.

Dave Chapelle's comment on "whore's uniform" doesn't explain my hands. As he is showing his hands and physical ability yet he wouldn't be described as wearing "a labour's uniform" and would be insulted if he was hastily recruited to work manual labour. Yet a woman even showing her body, her own body is a "whore's uniform" like a policeman's uniform defines his role as a law enforcer. That's a problem right there, it defines women as whores UNLESS they dress conservatively.

The sensation of hunger may not be an "emotion" only if you are being pedantic, as you can feel hungry when not in lack of nutrition and vice versa. Don't talk semantics over "emotions", especially after I specifically mentioned "afraid of starvation". Is fear an emotion? Hunger is definitely a "feeling". My point still stands about how men and women simply deal with feelings differently. Men seem to be in denial how their feelings, emotions and instincts drive them. Women actually try to organise their feelings and address how they affect their decision making while men act like its a foregone conclusion.

I think you're taking a piece of light hearted comedy WAY too seriosuly.