I never understood the whole fan-service is bad thing deal. If a girl with big tits wearing skimpy clothing can prevent you from enjoying something that's you're business.
It's only really bad when it's a bait and switch when you expect something else. Like a competent storyline or good characters, and find out it's really just a line up of scantily clad babes with super weak-ass excuses for such things. Or when it ruins dramatic moments or something to pander on the female cast in scenes and moments it's just uncalled for and detrimental to the overall creation.
Like the other guy said, Highschool of the Dead doesn't even pretend it's about anything else, and it's kinda awesome for that.
Only one comment about the manga fairy tail huh? Kinda surprised ._.
The more recent approach One Piece has taken with its new female characters is a pretty blatant example imo. The character named rebecca wearing that "armor".
I never understood the whole fan-service is bad thing deal. If a girl with big tits wearing skimpy clothing can prevent you from enjoying something that's you're business.
It's only really bad when it's a bait and switch when you expect something else. Like a competent storyline or good characters, and find out it's really just a line up of scantily clad babes with super weak-ass excuses for such things. Or when it ruins dramatic moments or something to pander on the female cast in scenes and moments it's just uncalled for and detrimental to the overall creation.
Like the other guy said, Highschool of the Dead doesn't even pretend it's about anything else, and it's kinda awesome for that.
I won't debate you on HOTD. It knows what it is and tries to stick with that. But what about shows with stories that could be considered good that have a lot of fan-service? Shows like Freezing, Highschool DxD, and Sekirei, that have interesting stories, but happen to have an abundant amount of fan-service. Are they just bad for it?
I can agree with the bait and switch though, I have yet to experience that for myself, so I can't relate. The dramatic moment part has made me laugh from how stupid it is, but I've never been angered by it. I've only actually seen a few shows that do it.
Yah! Another chance to share the "not technically porn but you probably shouldn't watch this on your work computer and you'll feel a little dirty right afterwards" video!
Yeah...that just happened. The entire show is basically that. It's actually a really cool idea for a show but I feel like it's doing a disservice to itself with all the freaking fan service in it. I can't really recommend this show to...well....anyone really unless I know them well enough that they know I'm not watching this show all day with my pants off...
To be fair though "High School Of The Dead" is trying to be funny, and while that is one of the more extreme moments approaching the eventual finale, nobody was supposed to be taking that seriously to begin with. To be honest there is nothing wrong with some risqué comedy.
In a general sense, when it comes to "Fan Service" a big part of my problem with it when being critical is that most things that do it, especially when it comes to Japan, are being intentionally absurd about it. I mean sure, you can sit there and complain about something like "Agent Aika" (pretty dated now) but when you consider all the panty shots and how ridiculous they get is kind of the entire point in a deliberately absurd anime it's hard to make a serious criticism.
You can't even say this stuff is all the making of randy guys either, I mean when you look at some of the stuff Clamp has done, especially in their art books (and that's an all female team) it's pretty much co-ed.
My basic attitude is that if it bothers you, don't watch it/read it.
I can't comment on the Kenichi thing someone posted because I don't read that series, and thus do not get the tone. Besides I'll be honest in saying that I've seen far more ridiculous bust lines especially when it comes to comics, and especially Japanese comics when you start getting into characters in fetish comics who somehow manage to have breasts bigger than the torso supporting them.... sort of like DC's "Mighty Endowed" joke except with you able to see it and someone making porn about it as opposed to just having people comically paralyzed. Not quite my cup of tea personally as I'm not really into the whole freak-sex thing. Something like Kenichi seems to be more wish fulfillment fantasy, of course it does seem that the size does change between pictures.
That said, I will say that I do hope they do more "High School Of The Dead" at some point because I actually laughed pretty hard at some of the stuff in that one. It did a good job of going from fairly grim, to utter absurdity with a minimal of transition, very few series have managed to pull that off. On some levels it reminded me of what "The Slayers" pulled off successfully for many years in reverse (going from utterly absurd, to oddly serious and grim, while maintaining consistency and it's own basic logic).
I never understood the whole fan-service is bad thing deal. If a girl with big tits wearing skimpy clothing can prevent you from enjoying something that's you're business.
It's only really bad when it's a bait and switch when you expect something else. Like a competent storyline or good characters, and find out it's really just a line up of scantily clad babes with super weak-ass excuses for such things. Or when it ruins dramatic moments or something to pander on the female cast in scenes and moments it's just uncalled for and detrimental to the overall creation.
Like the other guy said, Highschool of the Dead doesn't even pretend it's about anything else, and it's kinda awesome for that.
I won't debate you on HOTD. It knows what it is and tries to stick with that. But what about shows with stories that could be considered good that have a lot of fan-service? Shows like Freezing, Highschool DxD, and Sekirei, that have interesting stories, but happen to have an abundant amount of fan-service. Are they just bad for it?
Come on now. Highschool DxD is basically porn, and Sekirei is just... Their stories and writing can in no way be considered anything remotely good. Their purpose is to tittilate.
I like anime girls, so i liked Highschool Dxd. But i could never even imply to another sentient being that it is a good piece of fiction. Good stories and good characters are bloody rare in anime, to be quite honest.
Go watch Ergo Proxy. That is the potential anime has as a fictional medium. It is high quality shit (With no tits in sight). IN an ideal world, booby anime and good anime can coexist. But unforunately for those who want to see anime taken seriously by "outsiders", booby anime has infiltrated serious anime. I'm not one of those people, though, so yay for booby anime.
Asuka's plugsuit in Rebuild 2 was petty fucking ridiculous. It made it impossible for me to take the following dramatic scene in any way serious. 'Oh no, Asuka is in danger... while wearing a plugsuit with a conveniently transparent torso section, showing off he bra, the crack of her ass, and nearly her cootch. Oh the humanity!' That movie can go fuck itself just for that scene alone.
I believe Anno was quoted as saying that Evangelion 2.22 was made to "destroy Evangelion" (which perfectly explains a lot of choices and the existence of Mari) by giving the fans who didn't understand what NGE was about what they wanted, so he could tear it all down again even harder with Evangelion 3.33 (while drinking otaku tears like he normally does) which is the even more NGE than, uh, NGE. I'll see if I can find the citation on that quote.
So if "destroying Evangelion" was the reason for the stupid ass plugsuit, it certainly succeeded.
Oh trust me. I must certainly agree Highschool DxD is pretty much porn. I can only think of one anime that tops it, but whoever said (and man does this pain me to say it) near-porn can't have an interesting story? Highschool DxD, has demons, fallen angels, angels, and dragons. I'm not going to pretend and say the characters are deep, but the story is somewhat fleshed out, especially as the series goes on. Sekirei starts out generic then becomes a story involving a race of unknown humans that have super powers, floating islands, and an corporation trying to do something. Story fleshed out, characters not so much.
I would consider telling others to watch them, but stop just because of the fan-service. I know good stories and characters are hard to find out of a hundred and fifteen series I've watched, I would only consider about sixteen of them to be any good. The three I mentioned would be on there for story.
I'll add it to my watch list, but I've got about two-hundred plus in front of it.
The more recent approach One Piece has taken with its new female characters is a pretty blatant example imo. The character named rebecca wearing that "armor".
Anyone ever see this movie? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0339288/
It's supposed to be a horror movie about these mutated leeches that are literally on steroids. There was so much male fan service that it was one sex scene from being a gay porno, holy crap. When I first watched it I had no idea what i was watching because I was like 12 but it was on again and finally understood why I thought it was such a strange horror movie. Now I just find it bloody funny because it's so bad.
Sword Art Online, that scene where Kirito goes to Asuna's house and Asuna assumes due to the way he phrased it, wanted a shag, so she strips down completely naked until Kirito clears up the misunderstanding and she goes full on TSUUUUUUUN.
Its strange, she was perfectly fine to strip naked for a guy she barely knew (at least I assume barely knew, they were in 2-3 scenes togther before then) but when he clears it up, Then it becomes awkward? Definitely the most blatant example of inputting fanservice.
This scene in the anime was poorly done. They had a two year time-skip between when they first met and when we see them meet again. Both are fighters on the front-line, so it is assumed they have had two years to grow this relationship, even if it was one made on rivalry. This in no way forgives that scene though, that was just bleh.
The light novels just explain everything so much better than the anime.
I think that the level of fanservice is a matter of personal taste. Sure Ikkitousen and Seikon no Qwaser might look somewhat sleezy on the sheer amount of fanservice alone but I guess one should not throw stones. My main bone with service is when its inappropriate enough to detract from the scene or storytelling. For example in a recent Fairy Tail chapter the character Flare had an emotional reunion with the people who raised her. She had fallen into bad company since leaving and was very aware that she had lost her way. Her surrogate parents showed her that they still loved her very much even though they were not even the same species. Her tearful face from this emotional moment was depicted from a low angle shot to display her ample cleavage. Sure fanservice has its time and place but when its ruining what was otherwise supposed to be a poignant moment, then its gone too far.
Oh yeah, VanQ just told me they tried to cram four light novels into twenty-five episodes. You saw the result. They probably did it to wither rush to GGO, or they were scared Alfheim couldn't hold up to Aincrad. I actually complained about that when I reviwed it, the characters and forced pacing. I love the show to death, but it has a shit-ton of problems. And nothing bad about going off-topic. A SAO thread wouldn't be noticed at all, better here than never. XD
And GGO is looking good so far. Only two light novels with one smaller volume coming with it. They could easily fit that into twenty-four episodes. The fan-service may still exist. Sinon, the girl at the end of my avatar, has very short shorts. I'm talking riding your ass-crack short. Hopefully, that's as far as it goes.
The more recent approach One Piece has taken with its new female characters is a pretty blatant example imo. The character named rebecca wearing that "armor".
Huh. Had no idea who that was. Just googled Red Sonja and saw that she was wearing the exact same armor. Thanks for clarifying that! Still though, made it a little difficult for me to watch more recent episodes without tilting my screen away in fear of someone thinking I was watching porn or something.
Except in Ghost in the Shell (the movie) it's not sexualized at all. There's nudity, yes, but it's not for the sake of titillation. It's actually very sterilzed and cold. Kind of like a mannequin or robot.
In the film, at least. In SAC, it was really jarring to see the Major wandering around the office without pants on. And no, I don't buy the excuse that in the future, nobody really cares about modesty standards in cybernetic bodies. She's the only one who really does it, and there is no reason other than to show off her legs. It also doesn't help that her tactical armor looks way better.
Okay, guys and gals and everyone in between: I raise you one Gantz, the manga.
The chapter title pages often feature a sexy woman who's not in the chapter at all, wearing either very few (if any) clothes, or a skintight outfit. Though to be fair, I need to mention that the skintight outfits are what every character, male and female, wears in the actual manga.
But in one chapter in volume 12, the title page girl is bikini-clad and on the beach. See, the title page is also a poster that appears in one panel where we can see it hanging on a wall.
This is interesting to me because I've only ever seen the anime, and none of it came off as fanservice. All the nudity in that show always came off as "uncomfortable" which I thought was how the anime was trying to make me feel the entire time. Even the full on sex scene in the anime wasn't "sexy" at all, it was akward and kind of sad.
Was the manga that different? or am I just not remembering the anime well?
I was going to say about that when you guys were talking, but yeah, good that you brought that up. I'll also hop on the wagon that they won't show anymore of that.
Hopefully.
I don't want this arc go downhill like the last! (At least in my opinion)
Saltyk said:
No, I think Harem Anime are the worst. Just any Harem Anime. They generally have little plot, annoying characters, and are basically there just to ogle the female characters who often get into fan service scenarios. Action anime usually have actual plot and conflict. But I can't stand Harem anime.
Someone just like me.
My eyes cannot believe it!
Ditto everything you have said. Harem Anime, to me, are just the worst. The story and characters are bad as you said, the whole genre seems to just fill the desire of men to have women all over them. It makes me sick, especially when there are actual anime that have a good romance out there.
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