would you ever become vegan?

[SsilverR]

No.

It's too limiting a choice - I love food, and it's too big a threat to the luxury of variety if I decided to cut out the other half of food in existence just because of whatever reasons vegans have for not eating meat.

That and I fart enough as it is.

anyone who thinks the vegan is limited reaaally has alot to discover in the world of food ... think about all the countries in the world ... there are vegans everywhere ... dishes from asia/africa/europe ... dude ... believe me when i say ... variaty and flavor aren't the issues

I'm asian- I know there is A LOT of vegetarian food and stuff. But believe me when I say, when I have tasted the flesh- then it is the flesh you know, and nothing else will compare.

You're still removing a lot of food from your menu when you decide to not eat meat. It doesn't matter how much vegan food there is on offer, you're still cutting out a LOT of food when you don't eat meat.

sorry man but i answered this waaay too many times to just type it out again, it's all in the thread man just look around.

meat is good ... it's awesome .. you seem to like it, so awesome there are alot of excellent choices for you to make, but don't think i don't have any

fair enough nowhere near as much as you but it's more than i can sample in my lifetime so i'm happy with that ^^

 

[SsilverR]

I don't even mean ovo-lacto vegetarian, I'm talking PURE vegan.

Vegans consume neither the animal or the products of any animal with a face, meaning that things like milk, eggs and even honey are off the list.
Apparently, there are quite alot of health benifits that come with going full vegan and i was wondering if anyone else here would do it (I just recently decided to do it for personal reasons) or is already living the vegan lifestyle.

Do you even think humans should become (ok i REALLY don't want to use the word "Vegan" again) herbivores? since our very physiology dictates that we're omnivores and meat to some people is literally the only lifeline.

Personally i feel privileged to be in a society that gives me the option to live whatever lifestyle i want, and although i now personally believe that humans may reach a point where everyone has these options and perhaps should reduce or fully stop meat consumption, not only for overall health but also for the sake of overall ethics.

Hopefully i won't evolve into one of those "omfg u had a BURGER?!?!"**throws bucket of cows blood on mums face** ..... truly cringe worthy >.<
+ i'm not really vegan yet ... only been at it for a week.

hold on.... you dont eat animals but you have cows blood WTF?!? LOL

Nah i love meat to much to become a vegan

twas a peta joke .... i honestly have no idea how those freaks get their buckets of cows blood .... they must know a few goths or some shit XD

 

[zane224]

I would if I got cool powers from it, like from Scott Pilgrim.

 

[Holy_Handgrenade]

Maybe, just to see if it gives you superpowers like in scott pilgrim.

 

[TheEvilCheese]

Growing up in a vegetarian household, with a vegan brother (so most of our meals were vegan, before I piled cheese on mine) I think it's not a very difficult thing to live with. I was never wanting for taste or nutrients. On an individual level it isn't really harmful and on a worldwide level; it would help with our food/water supply problems (one field which can grow enough beef for one person can grow enough soya to sustain around fifty)

But the sad truth is; I'm just apathetic enough not to care.

I'm intrigued... we have a food supply problem?

There are thousands of farmers in the US, owning hundreds of thousands of acres of good land, who are payed not to grow food. I assume this trend occurs in other 1st World Countries.

Or are you talking about impoverished sections of the world that would be completely unaffected by the modern world (The people who have a 'choice' in their diets) abandoning meat.

Not so much the 1st world right now, but less wealthy countries have huge food problems and food prices globally are higher than ever before. I read a study which predicted huge water shortages in the next <50 years (damn I need to find that again) and an extremely high amount of food, water and land goes into livestock; which in turn produce huge amounts of methane, which is a greenhouse gas far more worrying than CO2.

I don't know the whole truth, I'm sure, but It seems meat is more trouble than it's worth.

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

No.

It's too limiting a choice - I love food, and it's too big a threat to the luxury of variety if I decided to cut out the other half of food in existence just because of whatever reasons vegans have for not eating meat.

That and I fart enough as it is.

anyone who thinks the vegan is limited reaaally has alot to discover in the world of food ... think about all the countries in the world ... there are vegans everywhere ... dishes from asia/africa/europe ... dude ... believe me when i say ... variaty and flavor aren't the issues

Well, of COURSE it's limited. You can't eat meat or milk products, and...Wait, why not milk products? I mean, the only reason milk even EXISTS is to be drank, so what's wrong with it?

Anyway, as I was saying....Of course being a vegan is limiting. You can't eat meat or milk products, so by DEFINITION you're limited. Now, I'm sure there's still plenty of foods that are vegan-friendly; there just aren't as many as there are for us non-vegans. Thus, you know...Limited.

no, there isn't just a select menu that's vegan friendly ... the menu is so big i don't even think i'll go through half before i die ... obviously not as big as an omni diet but i'm not comparing it to that ... what do you think we eat all our lives? some salad and a celery stick?

OK, you have to stop being so goddamn confrontational. I KNOW there's a ton of food you guys can eat, in fact I SAID as much. I just said that if you can't eat every food in the fucking world, then you are limited IN SOME WAY.

Good Christ, it's just a mathematical fact, not a...putdown of some sort. Please stop accusing everyone of thinking you eat nothing but rabbit food. I didn't fucking SAY that. I didn't even imply it.

Oh, and I was serious about the milk question. I'm honestly curious about the reasoning behind that.

 

[RevRaptor]

No - From my view point vegetarianism is hypocritical. I believe all life has equal value. did you know plants scream in the ultra sonic range when damaged, or that the acacia tree will release tannins when fed apon which makes its leaves unpalatable. These tannins are also digestion inhibitors. The tree also gives off a scent signal, upon which trees in the surrounding areas will pre-emptively increase their own tannin levels.

In short it knows when it's being eaten and doesn't like it. To me that implies that it feels pain. If it didn't feel pain then how else would it know it's being eaten.

Also this:

 

[RelexCryo]

I don't even mean ovo-lacto vegetarian, I'm talking PURE vegan.

Vegans consume neither the animal or the products of any animal with a face, meaning that things like milk, eggs and even honey are off the list.
Apparently, there are quite alot of health benifits that come with going full vegan and i was wondering if anyone else here would do it (I just recently decided to do it for personal reasons) or is already living the vegan lifestyle.

Do you even think humans should become (ok i REALLY don't want to use the word "Vegan" again) herbivores? since our very physiology dictates that we're omnivores and meat to some people is literally the only lifeline.

Personally i feel privileged to be in a society that gives me the option to live whatever lifestyle i want, and although i now personally believe that humans may reach a point where everyone has these options and perhaps should reduce or fully stop meat consumption, not only for overall health but also for the sake of overall ethics.

Hopefully i won't evolve into one of those "omfg u had a BURGER?!?!"**throws bucket of cows blood on mums face** ..... truly cringe worthy >.<
+ i'm not really vegan yet ... only been at it for a week.

Explain this to me: Animals, over millions of years, have evolved in response to predation by breeding so fast that predation is necessary to prevent destruction to the environment. How is something that is necessary unethical?

 

[SsilverR]

No.

It's too limiting a choice - I love food, and it's too big a threat to the luxury of variety if I decided to cut out the other half of food in existence just because of whatever reasons vegans have for not eating meat.

That and I fart enough as it is.

anyone who thinks the vegan is limited reaaally has alot to discover in the world of food ... think about all the countries in the world ... there are vegans everywhere ... dishes from asia/africa/europe ... dude ... believe me when i say ... variaty and flavor aren't the issues

Well, of COURSE it's limited. You can't eat meat or milk products, and...Wait, why not milk products? I mean, the only reason milk even EXISTS is to be drank, so what's wrong with it?

Anyway, as I was saying....Of course being a vegan is limiting. You can't eat meat or milk products, so by DEFINITION you're limited. Now, I'm sure there's still plenty of foods that are vegan-friendly; there just aren't as many as there are for us non-vegans. Thus, you know...Limited.

no, there isn't just a select menu that's vegan friendly ... the menu is so big i don't even think i'll go through half before i die ... obviously not as big as an omni diet but i'm not comparing it to that ... what do you think we eat all our lives? some salad and a celery stick?

OK, you have to stop being so goddamn confrontational. I KNOW there's a ton of food you guys can eat, in fact I SAID as much. I just said that if you can't eat every food in the fucking world, then you are limited IN SOME WAY.

Good Christ, it's just a mathematical fact, not a...putdown of some sort. Please stop accusing everyone of thinking you eat nothing but rabbit food. I didn't fucking SAY that. I didn't even imply it.

Oh, and I was serious about the milk question. I'm honestly curious about the reasoning behind that.

i know, i even agreed.
well, i think there is such a thing a vegan milk .... it's when the cows are well treated, won't be slaughtered and they've fully fed their young ... the excess milk that should be removed from the cow anyway because it causes stress or whatever .. is meant to be ok ... other than that it's because that milk could've gone to their young and they need to give the cows horemones to produce more milk making it unnatural and full of stuff that's supposedly bad for you.

not sure about honey though ... apparently smoking the bees out to collect honey looks humane but it causes the bees great suffering or something.

didn't mean to be confrontional, it's 3am and i'm juggling posts XD my bad dude

 

[flagship]

Only if we manage to grow animal tissue and products such as milk in labs cheaply. Otherwise domesticated Chickens, Cows, lambs and Turkeys are reasonably stupid animals and I feel far, far worse about the ways we lock them in tiny cages and inhumanly slaughter them than I do about actually eating their meat.

 

[rubinigosa]

wait ?...what ? either I am miss understanding what you have written or did you just hint that you get more attractive if you eat vegan ?...If I am miss understanding then I am sorry.

you're at peace, you respect all others and their decisions and you like what you see in the mirror (both physically and psychologically) ... if that's the case then cravings won't be an issue ... especially with all the beautiful vegan cuisine from all around the world to keep your taste buds occupied

 

[SsilverR]

I don't even mean ovo-lacto vegetarian, I'm talking PURE vegan.

Vegans consume neither the animal or the products of any animal with a face, meaning that things like milk, eggs and even honey are off the list.
Apparently, there are quite alot of health benifits that come with going full vegan and i was wondering if anyone else here would do it (I just recently decided to do it for personal reasons) or is already living the vegan lifestyle.

Do you even think humans should become (ok i REALLY don't want to use the word "Vegan" again) herbivores? since our very physiology dictates that we're omnivores and meat to some people is literally the only lifeline.

Personally i feel privileged to be in a society that gives me the option to live whatever lifestyle i want, and although i now personally believe that humans may reach a point where everyone has these options and perhaps should reduce or fully stop meat consumption, not only for overall health but also for the sake of overall ethics.

Hopefully i won't evolve into one of those "omfg u had a BURGER?!?!"**throws bucket of cows blood on mums face** ..... truly cringe worthy >.<
+ i'm not really vegan yet ... only been at it for a week.

Explain this to me: Animals, over millions of years, have evolved in response to predation by breeding so fast that predation is necessary to prevent destruction to the envirorment. How is something that is necessary unethical?

i call what you just explained "the natural balance" ... and alot of what we're doing to the world isn't (what? thought i was gonna say natural?) balanced ... we're playing with fire

 

[Firia]

Full vegan? Nah. I could do vegetarian, and have hovered on that edge many times. But Vegan is to hard. Rather, I'm not patient enough to do all the checking and investigation and prep work that vegans have to to stay vegan. I enjoy going out and not having to ask, "is there butter in that?" "Were those fries cooked in anything that has also cooked meat or fish?" Things like that.

I do TRY to eat meat lightly. I put an effort to stay away from dairy. Though cheese is my weakness. (My reasons for staying away from dairy are gassy reasons.)

 

[SsilverR]

wait ?...what ? either I am miss understanding what you have written or did you just hint that you get more attractive if you eat vegan ?...If I am miss understanding then I am sorry.

you're at peace, you respect all others and their decisions and you like what you see in the mirror (both physically and psychologically) ... if that's the case then cravings won't be an issue ... especially with all the beautiful vegan cuisine from all around the world to keep your taste buds occupied

no, you don't have to be attractive to look in the mirror, smile and feel good about yourself

 

[DefunctTheory]

Not so much the 1st world right now, but less wealthy countries have huge food problems and food prices globally are higher than ever before. I read a study which predicted huge water shortages in the next <50 years (damn I need to find that again) and an extremely high amount of food, water and land goes into livestock; which in turn produce huge amounts of methane, which is a greenhouse gas far more worrying than CO2.

I don't know the whole truth, I'm sure, but It seems meat is more trouble than it's worth.

Food prices have been affected due to fuel prices, and the centralization of the food supply, something that would not be affected a global shift of diet. In addition, 'organic' foods that many vegans/vegetarians favor tend to have inflated prices.

Water shortages have little to do with animals, and more to do with pollution . Personally, the only places I've been that had clean water shortages have been Iraq (We didn't do it, they've had shit for water forever) and Korea (Their apartments come furnished with those water dispensers you see in offices, if that tells you anything). Both countries have water issues due to their own reckless behavior. Could water shortages be caused by animal farming? Probably, but I've never read an actual argument for it that hasn't dripped for vege/vegan propaganda and exaggerations.

As for the methane thing... never seen a study that could honestly show how bad cows are to the environment. Methane isn't good, I'll admit to that, but like water studies, methane studies are laced with propaganda, by people who obviously were against the issue at hand before they even started.

 

[Shining_Pyrelight]

I'm dangerously close to cutting out all meat and animal products, I just don't like the stigma attached to it lol

Besides, healthy food costs alot more than bad food, and I buy games so my extra funds are quite limited

 

[rubinigosa]

Only if we manage to grow animal tissue and products such as milk in labs cheaply. Otherwise domesticated Chickens, Cows, lambs and Turkeys are reasonably stupid animals and I feel far, far worse about the ways we lock them in tiny cages and inhumanly slaughter them than I do about actually eating their meat.

We have managed to grow animal tissue in labs I heard it feels and taste like chicken but you can not buy it yet.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Only if we manage to grow animal tissue and products such as milk in labs cheaply. Otherwise domesticated Chickens, Cows, lambs and Turkeys are reasonably stupid animals and I feel far, far worse about the ways we lock them in tiny cages and inhumanly slaughter them than I do about actually eating their meat.

We have managed to grow animal tissue in labs I heard it feels and taste like chicken but you can not buy it yet.

Has to pass by the doors of the Food Administration first.

Guess how long their going to drag it out.

 

[SsilverR]

No - From my view point vegetarianism is hypocritical. I believe all life has equal value. did you know plants scream in the ultra sonic range when damaged, or that the acacia tree will release tannins when fed apon which makes its leaves unpalatable. These tannins are also digestion inhibitors. The tree also gives off a scent signal, upon which trees in the surrounding areas will pre-emptively increase their own tannin levels.

In short it knows when it's being eaten and doesn't like it. To me that implies that it feels pain. If it didn't feel pain then how else would it know it's being eaten.

Also this:

yeah but hunting and caging are 2 different things ... if we still had to hunt i wouldn't be vegan .. quickly killing an animal that has lived a full life to feed yourself and or family is perfectly natural ... caging, unethical farming ... that may be natural ... but there's no balance. it's just something else entirely.

also that chart was interesting but you're assuming ALL these products come from the same company and everyone uses said products. there are ways around living that don't involve the body of a cow

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

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Ah, I see. Sorry for kinda biting your head off, there.

And that milk thing actually makes a lot of sense.