No. Too much bother. I like my meat, and i love cheese. Plus, me and my family love food and cooking too much for us to limit ourselves.
would you ever become vegan?
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Uhm, no? Spinach is just an example with which all of us would be familiar. The same is true for other leafy vegetables. Also to the best of my knowledge, spinach hasn't been selectively bred for its iron content, which isn't even available for you unless you know what you are doing. As for lemons, any citrus fruit will do. Or berries. Or root veggies like carrots. Oh, and broccoli. Do you really think lemons are special? Or for that matter artificially selected to provide even more vitamin C? Sorry mate, you're full of crap.Cowabungaa said:
But let's try something else. How well would you survive? Let's just try a simple test. One of the following will kill you in a horrible way, the other one is quite delicious. Can you guess which one?
I don't like organic food's.
I'm more into Dairy (infact that's the only food type I really like other than meat).
The human body need's a mixture of meat, water, and dairy to stay alive (Dairy probally being the most important since it hold's up your bones).
That's just my view of thing's. Infact I don't even like organic product's except bread.
EDIT : I would'nt be suprised if HUman's weren't intended to find fire to cook food on.
The digestive system can process meat, and what the Cavemen did to utilize this function is beyong beleif, so why put this great opportunity to mankind to waste?
I'm more into Dairy (infact that's the only food type I really like other than meat).
The human body need's a mixture of meat, water, and dairy to stay alive (Dairy probally being the most important since it hold's up your bones).
That's just my view of thing's. Infact I don't even like organic product's except bread.
EDIT : I would'nt be suprised if HUman's weren't intended to find fire to cook food on.
The digestive system can process meat, and what the Cavemen did to utilize this function is beyong beleif, so why put this great opportunity to mankind to waste?
I was thinking more about the part where you said "... more i need sleep but it could be that most of you guys are right" I just felled that was weird of you to say that...I am just glad we did not do the part where guy1. goes "DIEEEEE!!!!" and tries to kill guy2. with a blue paint bucket.SsilverR said:I thought about making it a poll at the start but i kind of wanted to hear peoples worded opinions instead of having most of them click 1 button and leave XDrubinigosa said:
Shame alot of people on this thread think i'm trying to convert people or claim some kind of moral highground .. ah well
yeah it is kind of confusing but if it turns out that we were both trying to make the same point and one of us (me lol) missed it completely, then i see it as a mutual win when the air is cleared
one of those ..
guy1. "THAT WALL IS BLUE!!"
guy2. "NO IT'S NOT!! ... it's BLUE!!!"
guy1. "DIEEEEE!!!!"
Yes, yes they are. Not for those specific things no, because when they did that they didn't even know vitamins existed. Fact is, humans have picked certain plants and have cultivated them for millenia, selectively breeding them in the proces. Pretty much every vegetable we eat at the moment doesn't exist in nature in that form, they're all cultivated species. Citrus fruits, beans and broccoli are excellent examples of that actually.thethingthatlurks said:
But even without that, you're assuming that you can find them in large enough quantities to survive on. You're also assuming you can easily find combinations like spinach and citrus fruits together, and you're assuming you can find them easily enough so that you spend less calories gathering them than you get from them. Why do you think herbivores have huge digestive tracks? It's pretty damn hard getting enough energy from pure plant material.
Humans have never lived on plant material alone, hell, there are strong indications that eating animal products was one of the forces in our evolution [http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/99legacy/6-14-1999a.html]. So why on earth do you think you could do something that humans have pretty much never done? You're not a deer.
Honestly I'd just set traps for rabbits and other small critters. But I'll play your game; they're cuttlefish, the first one is poisoness, the second is edible. The warning colours are a dead giveaway.But let's try something else. How well would you survive? Let's just try a simple test. One of the following will kill you in a horrible way, the other one is quite delicious. Can you guess which one?
But it's not something to be smug about, plants and mushrooms have the same problem.
I've been a vegetarian for the 8 or 9 years and I've been trying to go full vegan for the past two years. It's really hard, and I'm a slave to dairy products -I love gouda too much-. And moving to vienna has made it way harder, as vegi products are a lot harder to get than in Seattle.
JordanXlord said:
A gun old boy? How unsporting!
*straps on flamethrower and sheaths a number of long knifes*
One must get close to the prey, to have an honorable kill.
*spots another Vegan*
Tally-Ho!
Three reasons off the top of my head for No?
Bacon, Cheese, Bacon.
Though as long as Dr.Pepper doesn't come from mysterious animal I have yet to meet I may be alright if forced to by threat of death.
Beyond that I really don't get the reasoning.
If we want animal equality we should either try animals for murder and animal cruelty when they kill and eat each other or have no issue eating other animals because we possess the same rights they do to hunt and eat for our survival.
Bacon, Cheese, Bacon.
Though as long as Dr.Pepper doesn't come from mysterious animal I have yet to meet I may be alright if forced to by threat of death.
Beyond that I really don't get the reasoning.
If we want animal equality we should either try animals for murder and animal cruelty when they kill and eat each other or have no issue eating other animals because we possess the same rights they do to hunt and eat for our survival.
You obviously don't know the first thing about chemistry or biology, so let me try this again: obtaining nutrients is never a problem, obtaining the means of getting them into the bio-available state is. I may not find lemons and spinach growing together, but there are always other options. See, evolution has this nice side-effect: all animals will have similar metabolisms (especially the Kreb's cycle, and glycolysis), ergo I'd be able to find enough nutrients anywhere on earth. It may not be easy, but it is definitely possible.Cowabungaa said:
And humans don't selectively grow for nutrients (usually), but for flavor and appearance. This generally doesn't diminish their nutrient content, although it may artificially inflate calories due to added sweetness.
Anyway, good job with the little test. It's not actually red that is the give-away, but bright colors in general. Still, would you be able to do the same for other animals which are not colored?
It would probably be healthier for me, but so would not drinking soda, and that isnt happening.
Here's a thought. Where do vegans stand on eating carnivorous plants (venus flytraps, pitcher plants and the like)? Not something we really eat as far as I'm aware, but for the sake of argument...
As something that derives most of its nutrients from animals, does that make it closer to being an 'animal product'? Or are second degree animal products alright?
As something that derives most of its nutrients from animals, does that make it closer to being an 'animal product'? Or are second degree animal products alright?