WoW: Cataclysm Closed Beta Starts Right This Instant

Unguarded Toast

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Biodisaster said:
Unguarded Toast said:
Continueing: Frankly, the world itself was not very active in the entier Lich King assult as it was only the few people who were personally involved with Arthas before and after his transformation that mustered an army to combat him. As for the tauren's, draenei, troll and gnomes they pretty much just got by on a corner.
Uh...what? Are you kidding me? So the Lich King didn't kill anyone apart of those races during the entire span of Wrath of the Lich King, and all of those races would have absolutely no problem with him killing everyone else, spreading disease, and virtually attempting to bring Azeroth to its knees?

I'm sorry, I don't follow you.

And as for Illidan I belive it is quite clear that he does fear the wrath of Kil'jeaden so he has little reasons to leave his fortress.
Of course not, but that has nothing to do with the fact that he doesn't think things through. Its said several times that he fled to Outland to avoid Kil'jaeden, I wasn't debating that anywhere.

Also, I do wonder who is omniscient on this given the fact that the majority of the worlds population would not be aware of Illidan's deeds.
The blood elves and the night elves are part of the Horde and the Alliance. So they're just gonna let Illidan run free after swearing intelligence to the Burning Legion? After how much contact both the Sin'dorei and the Kaldorei have had with demons?

Sorry, again, I can't follow you.

To quote yourself: "You have to think in terms of the people reacting to the environment and less from the omniscient perspective you're taking, where you know everything that occurred."
I do know everything that occurred, sure. Nobody is going to know the bits and pieces that happened with say, Furion and him regarding Tyrande. But everything I've mentioned, about him swearing to the Burning Legion and whatnot? Everyone is going to know that. Because people tell you.

We didn't just charge into Outland just for Illidan either, you know. Gotta take that into consideration.
/sigh. Right, let's go through this one more time in a single wall of text:

First off, the Lich King reasoning.

Trolls: The only trolls to be effected by the plague as recorded in the WoW story are the tribes that 'lived' in the Eastern Plaguelands. As this tribe as not a part of the Darkspear or even the race of jungle trolls (due to the location of their village it is safe to assume they were more likely forest trolls given the close proximity to the Amani)the horde couldn't really care less about what happened to them.

Tauren: In debted to the horde they would indeffinately have rushed to their aid no matter the situation, however, the orcs nor the tauren have ever really seen the effects of the plague and can therefor not really claim to have any understanding for it or see reason on how to counter it.
So, they followed the orcs lead to Northrend since they for some reason found it absolutely necessary to suddenly pull back close to all forces from Draenor. The only possible reason I can see to why Thrall (whom never have suffered much to the plague, if anything) would send troops would be in order to have them unite with the alliance in a united assult. And of course, to do this they would need a commander of dicipline/wisedom to see the necessity in things, thus they sent Garrosh to lead the army with Saurfang as an advisor. Right, that sure does make a heck of a lot of sense, it's not like he hates the Alliance with every cell in his body or something.

Gnomes: Really, this race didn't make any sense to begin with and is little else then a fill-up so both factions would have the same amount of playable races. Due to this, they lack pretty much everything. A good backstory along with a proper motivation for doing anything, really. This part from apparently inventing things. And just as with the tauren these guys really've never even seen a scourge and wouldn't know the first thing about how to combat one, or really find a reason for doing it.
'Course, blizzard solved this by rather 'accidentally' discover evidence of that they were once the titan's machines.

Draenei: Having restored the Sunwell and bla, bla, bla this race really doesn't have a place in the story anymore, this part from featuring the grand new thing about TBC, >alliance shamans<! Omgomgomg!
Well, having done this they really didn't feel like letting the other races rush for their own weird motives to Northrend so they decided to follow cause... They like fighting? Hmmm... Nah.
Anyway, this lack of reasons is reflected accordingly due to the complete absence of them everywhere part from some herald in Valliance. (Same can be said for gnomes since you can pretty much only find them in Borean Tundra.

Having gone through that, let's proceed with TBC:

Illidan: Yeah, well, sure, the night elfs are a part of the alliance and the blood elfs are a part of the horde. Suppose that means they'd talk to eachother, you know, chat and things, exchanging info about various things. This except for the major thing that concerns about all of the elven races; they arn't very talkative amongst others then their own kind and hasn't really accepted them completely.
Example: The blood elfs joined the horde only since they realized going on by themselfs wasn't a realistic possibility with close to all of their population killed in the scourge invasion. The only ones they have some kind of trust for that isn't another blood elf would be the forsaken, this due to that the majority of forsakens would be high elfs who died and a somewhat smaller portion of humans. Also, their leader was the ranger general so it kinda makes sense.

'But what if the undead high elfs speak about it then'?

Let's have a look at the quote for the race 'Forsaken': "The forsaken care little even for their allies, to them the horde is merely a tool that may further their dark schemes". So they'd really not want to give the horde a motivation to not go after the Lich King and the scourge, they would not tell. And the blood elfs ->still<- has no reason for having the entier horde go after their benefactor.

As for the night elf example: Unquestionably loyal and withdrawed, the night elfs only engage with other races when they find it necessary, it is not something they do just for the sake of it. Also, ...Again... Illidan vowed never to return to the leaders of the night elven civilization and since it due to that is only likely that they didn't SEND THE ENTIER ALLIANCE AFTER HIM BY TELLING ABOUT WHAT HE'D DONE AND WHAT HE WAS. Sure, they may have told bits and pieces of what he was, but nothing that would be officially confirmed by anyone of authority or respect.

Other reasons for going to Outland:
The orcs thought all of their population there had gone under. /Scratch that reason.
The alliance had already decided that the portal needed to be closed to stop the demons from pouring into Azeroth (the alliances as in the humans, which are pretty much the entier alliance) /Scratch that reason.

And really, I can't be arsed with writing down more of the reasons for why they shouldn't so I'll just conclude with these two reasons that explains why none of the two ruling races wouldn't want their factions to go to Outland.
 

Biodisaster

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I'm not even going to bother quoting that, because all I got from it was that you have very little understanding as to how alliances work.

You HONESTLY believe that any race on Azeroth would have been ok with what the Lich King was doing simply because they weren't involved in Arthas' exploits when he was human?

Still not following you.

As for the blood elves, that may have been the case when they joined the horde, but its been quite some time since then. Azeroth isn't a vacuum. They would have settled in by this point. They've been united by plenty of common goals until now.

I stopped reading there. As I said previously, we're never going to agree, and I feel as if I'm speaking to a brick wall.