WWE 2K16 Will Not Include Hulk Hogan
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I'm seeing a weird kind of double standard, maybe it has to do with who's been in this thread, but...why is it that Donald Sterling hangs in the court of public opinion for saying racist shit while unknowingly being recorded, but when it happens to the Hulkster he's getting fucked over and it isn't fair? Is there a statute of limitations on saying racist shit in private?
These aren't rhetorical questions, I'm honestly trying to understand. First famous people are getting fucked over by their twitter conversations, now it's things said in private...maybe we should just learn to speak exclusively in Newspeak so that nothing incriminating can be found 10 years later and cause doubleplus ungood things happen to our life's work.
These aren't rhetorical questions, I'm honestly trying to understand. First famous people are getting fucked over by their twitter conversations, now it's things said in private...maybe we should just learn to speak exclusively in Newspeak so that nothing incriminating can be found 10 years later and cause doubleplus ungood things happen to our life's work.
The thing that is really weird about this to me, is if you even listen to the recording, it seems pretty obvious that the guy is self aware that his opinion isn't necessarily a good one. He's just stating out-loud thoughts that a lot of people have but never voice. Hell, most people I know are xenophobic to some degree or another, Hulk's not wrong when he says, "I guess we're all a little racist." I kind of agree with that, I think pretty much everyone has xenophobic or racist or sterotyping thoughts. It's a pretty unavoidable part of being a human being. What really ought to count is how you act on them...Baresark said:
Really, his biggest crime is being secretly taped while being truthful.
One other thing I've noticed is that as someone who is not white and has experienced actual discrimination (not just people being salty with me and slurs) I find myself in the odd position of being way more forgiving about this kind of behavior than an enormous amount of white people on Twitter. It's really a strange kind of madness that seems to have overtaken mostly white middle class people. I don't know why.
Well I think the fact that Donald Sterling employed black people and (correct me if I'm wrong) discriminated against blacks, telling someone not to bring them to he's games.DrunkOnEstus said:
Hogan said what he did 8 years ago but has never been recorded actively discriminated against someone who is black.
What Hogan said was racist, and WWE is right in detatching themselves from the media storm this could cause. Still worries me that someone can get punished this much for something they said behind closed doors, 8 years ago. Ironic that "Hulkamania" was born in 1984.
I love the idea that the totalitarian age starts with the HulksterCzann said:
OOHH BROTHER THE TIME OF 24 INCH PYTHONS IS OVER, THE GOVERNMENT HAS US IN A CAMEL CLUTCH NOW BROTHERRR, THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO IS CHALLENGE THE GOVERMENT INTO A YAPAPI STRAP MATCH BROTHER.
A lot of people seem very forgiving when it comes to themselves, but there also seems to be no limit when they are offended for someone else. Most of the guys I know are like you, just basically a bit too busy with their own lives worry about what someone says about their race. Maybe you're like me in that when someone is sitting there insulting you one way or another, I just kind of feel sorry for them. So much time and energy devoted to something like that feels wasted to me.Jake Martinez said:
While I'm no fan of firing people for their beliefs, this doesn't really bother me at all. It's not like he was some random nobody working behind the scenes on some project who is valued only for skills, he's a fucking wrestler who makes absurd amounts of money on his name and public persona. This is just a case of "live by the sword, die by the sword".
As to how long ago it is and whether or not it was private, that doesn't really matter. It's not like WWE are some altruistic charity, they're a business, they're distancing themselves from him because there will be a negative PR situation regardless of whether or not he said it today or eight years ago. The same goes for whether it was public or private. While they really shouldn't have released the transcripts, people aren't going to just stick their fingers in their ears just because he didn't know he was being recorded. If some politician said in the privacy of their own home that they think Hitler was right and we ought to have a new holocaust, will you just shout "nope, doesn't count, he doesn't actually support Hitler because he didn't mean for us to hear it"? People are mad at him for being racist, and regardless of the ethics of recording someone without their permission, what he said is racist whether or not it was intended for public hearing.
While he may have changed over eight years, I'm not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.
Although, on a related note, I do think it's rather ridiculous that the WWE are now scrubbing him out of their history. His actions seem like, at most, a reason to cease dealings with him, but removing him from their records just seems like an over reaction.
As to how long ago it is and whether or not it was private, that doesn't really matter. It's not like WWE are some altruistic charity, they're a business, they're distancing themselves from him because there will be a negative PR situation regardless of whether or not he said it today or eight years ago. The same goes for whether it was public or private. While they really shouldn't have released the transcripts, people aren't going to just stick their fingers in their ears just because he didn't know he was being recorded. If some politician said in the privacy of their own home that they think Hitler was right and we ought to have a new holocaust, will you just shout "nope, doesn't count, he doesn't actually support Hitler because he didn't mean for us to hear it"? People are mad at him for being racist, and regardless of the ethics of recording someone without their permission, what he said is racist whether or not it was intended for public hearing.
For me, this had the opposite effect; I actually assumed it was far more tame due to the never ending stream of people in recent memory who've been raked through the coals for remarks that aren't really that bad, and in some cases, aren't even racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic/whateverthefuckelsephobic. It was actually somewhat of a shock to see someone being pilloried for remarks that actually are rather detestable. Let's face it, its not like he made a slightly racist joke that people are now twisting to suit an agenda, he outright admitted to being racist and hating black people.Quellist said:
While he may have changed over eight years, I'm not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.
Although, on a related note, I do think it's rather ridiculous that the WWE are now scrubbing him out of their history. His actions seem like, at most, a reason to cease dealings with him, but removing him from their records just seems like an over reaction.