Okay, yes, 720p is better than 1080i, but the typo was not there when i quoted you, peace.LiquidSolstice said:
Xbox 720 is another iPhone 4S!!
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Did you create this thread just so you could say that? Sound like your saying that consoles are bad or aren't as good as they should be, which on a gaming website is basically implying that that PCs are better. That implication is the crux of PC vs. Console debate and nobody, I mean nobody, wants that.
it's not just graphics. shiny looks arn't everything.
i don't like the gameplay implications of this..games are already simpler and simpler with many features and content landing on the cutting room floor due to hardware limiations of consoles. i was actually hoping for this trend to go away at some point, but now that doesn't seem likely :-/
i don't like the gameplay implications of this..games are already simpler and simpler with many features and content landing on the cutting room floor due to hardware limiations of consoles. i was actually hoping for this trend to go away at some point, but now that doesn't seem likely :-/
Are you saying that a 6670 is not a mid range GPU? And that it's not in the low end of the mid range as well? And that consoles are not inferior to a modern high-end Windows computer when it comes to gaming in every regard except possibly power consumption and entry-price?Twilight_guy said:
If the speculation on the specs of the next MS console are correct it is going to be underpowered before it leaves production like the last one. Only redeeming factor is that you get more out of hardware by writing programs directly for hardware in stead of an API, but that still doesn't change the numbers and will only get you so far.
Sadly, the Xbox 720 will already be garbage by the time it's released, especially considering the forth coming Trinity APU being standardized in the PC market.Cronq said:
By the time Xbox 720 comes out, PC gamers should be able to play games at an equivalent or better quality on the cheapest laptops available.
Oh really now.Twilight_guy said:
There is a difference between insulting an entire community of gamers and stating an obvious fact. That PC performance is superior to that of consoles is an obvious fact. This seems like a debate that "console players" rather not have which puzzles me seeing as you are the ones being victimized.
I hate new console launch eras/rumours.
They always bring out the retard tribal mentality of console "loyalists" as well as bringing out the smug fatheadedness of the pc crowd.
I'm glad I own all of the platforms personally, I get to sit at the side and watch the show.
They always bring out the retard tribal mentality of console "loyalists" as well as bringing out the smug fatheadedness of the pc crowd.
I'm glad I own all of the platforms personally, I get to sit at the side and watch the show.
I agree that these discussions might take a turn to the "flame side", more often than not. But you are wrong to suggest that there is a neutral ground in this debate. I would be perfectly content with consoles dominating the market if I could just play my PC games in peace, but the console market is directly affecting the industry in a way which hurts PC gaming, not only by bad console parts, but because a relatively weak console refresh will further hold the PC back.wooty said:
So I think it's fair to at least asking the console players to justify their loyalty to Microsoft or Sony.
I'd personally say its down to costs and ease of use. Consoles are relatively cheap and easier to run games and set up than a pc, especially if you try to build a custom system. I've been building my own for 10+ years now and I still get confused. But brand loyalty is just silly if you ask me (see Cult of Apple), and I dont think the problem is helped by gaming sites and magazines as they always refer to new systems as "a console WAR". That word always invokes irrational responses as we've seen since the days of the Mega Drive and SNES.CarlMinez said:
I've always been a child of both sides, always had a console alongside a PC. If I couldnt get something on PC then I got it on console, and vice-versa. I can fully understand PC only gamers frustrations though as it is a legitimate argument. I'm just wondering whether a lowering of PC component prices could help both sides?
Perhaps. It's hard to tell. And I can definitely see the advantages of buying a console over a PC, particular if you don't have the money or know-how to build your own rig, which can be pretty hard.wooty said:
But who knows, perhaps there is no truth to this rumor after all (although it seems pretty legit)
I thought we weren't due for a new major console til 2015. Well, I'm not gonna go on a rant saying "hurr durr, PC is better" because frankly, I think they are both equal. But this thing looks like it will have just as many problems as the Xbox 360 had initially.
Battlefield 3 on PC has 64 person multi-player, console versions have 24. That's all down to CPU difference. I don't agree with more powerful GPU's adding specifically to better mechanics, but CPU's, definitely. Whether it be more advance AI for NPC's, etc.LilithSlave said:
The fact that you don't see the differences being shown very often is because muti-format titles are always going to design their mechanics around the capabilities of the the lowest common denominator. When porting to a more powerful platform you can scale up graphics, but it's not so easy to scale up mechanics, apart from the example mentioned above.
GPU is weak. Yes it can do AA in 1080p. But if it does what will it sacrifice? Texture quality? shadows? Other goodies? It is always a compromise. I don't know why the OP assumed that AA would be what is sacrificed.SL33TBL1ND said:
It's disappointing but I never liked Xbox so I don't care.
I'm slightly confused by all the arguing going on the last few pages. There are some simple facts we can all agree on:
- console hardware is weaker than what you can trick out in a desktop case, and no amount of optimization will magically change that
- consoles are more accessible, easier to use and market, as well as cheaper in the short run
- PC gaming seems more expensive as it has a higher cost barrier of entry, but as long as you have some idea what you're doing can be cheaper in the long run and still provide superior experience
- consoles will still be predominant in America half a decade from now, and will keep majorly influencing the pace of game development
In the end, the point of the whole thing is that for PC gamers, while an 6670 is an underpowered chip by today's standards (and the part that'll end up in the 360's successor will likely be something twice as powerful) it doesn't really matter. Consoles will finally be moving beyond DX9. With the tech and sociability in DX11, even if the consoles end with some equivalent of midrange hardware at release, we'll still be getting some very pleasant visuals on PC.
Until DX12, 13 or whatever rolls around and everyone starts once again crying how "consoles hold us back"...
- console hardware is weaker than what you can trick out in a desktop case, and no amount of optimization will magically change that
- consoles are more accessible, easier to use and market, as well as cheaper in the short run
- PC gaming seems more expensive as it has a higher cost barrier of entry, but as long as you have some idea what you're doing can be cheaper in the long run and still provide superior experience
- consoles will still be predominant in America half a decade from now, and will keep majorly influencing the pace of game development
In the end, the point of the whole thing is that for PC gamers, while an 6670 is an underpowered chip by today's standards (and the part that'll end up in the 360's successor will likely be something twice as powerful) it doesn't really matter. Consoles will finally be moving beyond DX9. With the tech and sociability in DX11, even if the consoles end with some equivalent of midrange hardware at release, we'll still be getting some very pleasant visuals on PC.
Until DX12, 13 or whatever rolls around and everyone starts once again crying how "consoles hold us back"...
I'm primarily a PC gamer. I hate people who debate Console vs. PC because they're sad, sad people who do not realize that maybe, just maybe, life would be better if we all just got along and didn't try to argue over stuff that doesn't matter. On top of that, no everybody hates PC vs. Console because its a stupid argument. This thread could be about stating a fact about Performance, but judging from the connotation of the argument rather then the denotation, combined with a basic knowledge of the most common types of threads in these forums, it seems to me that it likely is a PC vs. Console thread or at least will turn out that way.CarlMinez said:
I'm not seeing a lot of flaming on this thread. I am, however, seeing a lot of cynical bystanders insulting those who engage in this console vs. PC debate, reminding everyone how stupid they think it is. These people are actually more in number and way louder than those who actually engage post to engage in the discussion.Twilight_guy said:
It surprises me that so many people are reluctant to have this debate to begin with.
It's enough just to mention the word PC to generate a ridiculous amount of hatred in response. Like literally hatred. It's a fascinating phenomenon really. But it seems like the problem here is not the people who willingly engage in the debate. It's about people who'd rather not be reminded about the conclusions that the debate will inevitably lead to.
It is true that more computing power can lead to more possibilities in AI and the like.
But that is, as a whole, not what it is used for. Nobody has even come close to fully utilization of the PlayStation 2 hardware for gameplay, much less the current generation.
Dwarf Fortress uses almost no computing power, and is yet a piece of coding genius.
I'll become more excited about new hardware when people start to utilize the hardware we've already had for years.
But that is, as a whole, not what it is used for. Nobody has even come close to fully utilization of the PlayStation 2 hardware for gameplay, much less the current generation.
Dwarf Fortress uses almost no computing power, and is yet a piece of coding genius.
I'll become more excited about new hardware when people start to utilize the hardware we've already had for years.
This might be worth reading for anyone who's of the binary opinion that PC > Console. It might not change your opinion, but definitely good reading material.
http://geekscape.net/geekscape-decodes-microsoft-s-next-gen-xbox.html
http://geekscape.net/geekscape-decodes-microsoft-s-next-gen-xbox.html
I don't see how it's disappointing, anything better than what they had is, by definition, an improvement, eh?balanovich said:
