Xbox One Ships Early, Microsoft Bans It
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About as much as a family home video is owned by the construction company of the house it was filmed in, but Microsoft just has to take advantage of Youtube's TERRIBLE copyright system to prevent unwanted eyes from SEEING an Xbox One before its actually released. The Horror!Costia said:
Well this settles it. I will not buy a console again.
I'm serious.
The fact that any new console can be completely bricked and banned makes me very uncomfortable. Whether or not the company will is irrelevant.
Worst case scenario if my Steam account was to be banned for some reason, there's always ways to get things to work on PC through 3rd party methods. (Of course I would go all legal on their asses)
I'm serious.
The fact that any new console can be completely bricked and banned makes me very uncomfortable. Whether or not the company will is irrelevant.
Worst case scenario if my Steam account was to be banned for some reason, there's always ways to get things to work on PC through 3rd party methods. (Of course I would go all legal on their asses)
Even if you get VAC banned you can still use Steam, just not multiplayer.TelHybrid said:
Heck I even read in the Family Sharing beta forum people with VAC's could still share.
(You also might want to delete the bit about 3rd party methods from your post, mod have a low tolerance for things like that).
Except he's NOT getting permabanned. He just got picked up by an automatic system, and MS said they're going to fix it. So piss off with your "they think they can just swing the banhammar when they want" nonsense. They probably just had safeguards in place to stop such a thing from happening.Snacuum said:
Fixed for you.
And who cares that the system was up and running? You're saying that Microsoft doesn't have the right to make sure they're working two weeks before launch? The last thing they need is a SimCity-esque server meltdown on launch day to go along with the rest of their abysmal reputation, especially when everyone has to patch out the always-on DRM.
This may be news to you, my friend, but when you're releasing something as big as a whole new console, two weeks IS important, regardless of what you think. As someone else has said, shops can get into shit just for releasing DVDs an HOUR before they were meant to.
So boo hoo yourself, maybe we'd sympathise with him if he got it a day before launch, but now he can use the Xbone at EXACTLY the same time as other people.
I said the YT debacle wasn't surprising, not that it was okay. It's just another case of corporations abusing their power just because a video happens to have their logo in it, and YT taking copyright takedown claims at face value rather than bothering to find out if they're valid because it's cheaper.
Oh, and indeed Captcha, "first contact" is very fitting. Welcome to the Escapist Magazine, Snacuum!
Ya I saw that but I was mostly wondering about games not even connected to microsoft, say Epic made a new gears of war, and say Total Biscuit made a WTF is that was critical of it could microsoft (not epic) then remove the WTF is because he made it using the Xbox 1's youtube functionality/twitch or what ever.Roander said:
To me it just further shows how MS thinks its consumers are all pirates.
Punish Target, I do get the whole we banned you from the online market place so you can't get the downloads on things till launch but taking down their you tube videos and such? That's not their call to make its out they have to either pay the guys for being spokesmen indeed if both of them are doing so (one of them is stating favorable things about the system and answering questions) or have them sign non disclosure things and if they posted the images and videos they now need to self delete them and money should be given in compensation or if not money something else like % off at our online store given to them for this process.
Punish Target, I do get the whole we banned you from the online market place so you can't get the downloads on things till launch but taking down their you tube videos and such? That's not their call to make its out they have to either pay the guys for being spokesmen indeed if both of them are doing so (one of them is stating favorable things about the system and answering questions) or have them sign non disclosure things and if they posted the images and videos they now need to self delete them and money should be given in compensation or if not money something else like % off at our online store given to them for this process.
I don't care about what kind of ban he got, it's that he did. Also there shouldn't be an automatic system for that. I can't even think of a reason why Microsoft would need a system that detects users of a working finished product using it before release for the sake of banning them. The position this man is in harms Microsoft in no way at all.
And of course they can swing the banhammer however they want. Any company that sells a service would cover their arse in the TOS that would stipulate that they can. There are plenty of stories circulating the web of people who got banned for various weird reasons; some deserved and some not.
So we're comparing apples and oranges now? As a customer who bought a product sold that comes supplied with particular services and that's exactly what he got. I'm not comparing him to people who don't have an Xbone because they'll still exist and not matter on release - he had access to exactly what so many people who also will legally buy an Xbone will have soon. There's no reason to treat this customer any different than those people.
Yeah, a few guys who got it early will so mess this up for them? No way. It's Microsoft's responsibility to make sure their services work regardless. In fact my point was that they have good PR if some guy who got it early has a flawless online experience. There's no need to kick him out for demonstrating that Microsoft are doing well!
But don't blame the consumer then. He did no wrong. The retailer is who broke contract and I have no sympathy for them. My 'boo hoos' are for Microsoft for being scared of one little customer and for those poor poor other customers that need to wait a week - oh the humanity!
Thanks. I often read the comments on some articles and well thought I may as well run around with my opinions too.
Microsoft deprps again. though it would have been nice if you actually stated the thigns he discovered in the article so we wouldnt have to go dig though ourselves, yes?
Connecting it to internet was the ONLY thing he could do before the patch.
Yes micirsoft is at fault here for having autmatic system that can ban innocent people. such system should be illegal to beign with, you should not be able to take down videos just because you want to.
I dispute such claim. I have 4 cpyriht material claims on my youtube, two of which i have accepted as correct and vide got removed. I still retain all features, am marked as "director" (that used to allow you to post long videos back when 10 minutes limitation was in place), and can upload long videos and other things. The only thing i cant do while i have two disputable copyright claims is to attempt a partnership. But im not going to try that anyway.Andy said:
You cannot use your console unless you download a day0 patch that removes the always online requirement and other features.Vaccine said:
Connecting it to internet was the ONLY thing he could do before the patch.
Thanks to "Awesome" copyright laws, Let's plays are technically illegal. And in fact comopanies such as nintendo and rockstar have been taking down letsplays for years.synobal said:
I remember sony did that for something couple years back. the script broke and around 30% of costumers could not use it, at all, till weeks later when they found a solution, which involved flashing the OS.Atmos Duality said:
I do nto see how it is his fault that he bought an item and got it shiped to him earlier than anticipated? Yes he was suppsoed to have it, thats why he bought it. he just wasnt supposed to get it that early, but he did. if anything, thats a GOOD thing.sethisjimmy said:
Connecting it to the internet is the only thing he could ahve done. the console would nt work without the 500 mb day one patch.Revolutionary said:
Yes micirsoft is at fault here for having autmatic system that can ban innocent people. such system should be illegal to beign with, you should not be able to take down videos just because you want to.
No its not.jackpipsam said:
If you need to create a shitstorm in order to drive enough attention to get innocent person unbanned by a broken autmated system, then there is massive faults in the whole system and it does swing the banhammer whenever it wants, in fact, it seems to do this randomly. this is a PROBLEM.Infernal Lawyer said:
All Microsoft did was temporarly disable Xbox Live connection until the launch day, from Major Nelson's blog:
"these consoles units will be restricted from connecting to Xbox Live until closer to our launch date."
Is that so wrong and even worth calling a ban? I mean, if I somehow got access to a Steam game earlier should I be mad that they block that game for me until the release of the game? When I bought the game I knew and agreed that I would get it at release date so for them to keep that agreement active is wrong somehow?
The guy isnt being penalised, he still gets his fully functional console the same time he was supposed to get it.
"these consoles units will be restricted from connecting to Xbox Live until closer to our launch date."
Is that so wrong and even worth calling a ban? I mean, if I somehow got access to a Steam game earlier should I be mad that they block that game for me until the release of the game? When I bought the game I knew and agreed that I would get it at release date so for them to keep that agreement active is wrong somehow?
The guy isnt being penalised, he still gets his fully functional console the same time he was supposed to get it.
Sorry, sorry, but I just had to quote you and correct you. You are so full of wrong here. First off...why is it wrong to brag about getting a machine before launch day, especially if you're not the one responsible for the delivery? If the recipient had signed an NDA of some sort, sure, then he'd be under contract not to talk about it. But he didn't. All he did was pre-order a machine, and the store delivered it to him early by mistake (if someone can provide evidence of this being some sort of PR stunt or conspiracy, feel free to throw it up here)sethisjimmy said:
Banning the console is alright? Why would Microsoft do that? Right now, he's probably the only guy in the world with a non-dev kit Xbox One that (was) able to access the global One Live (versus dev kits that more than likely had their own Xbox One Live intranet that was segregated from the global internet). He's not griefing or trolling any other players, mainly because there aren't any.
As for your analogy about the keys in the car...that would involve THEFT. Which did not happen here. If I leave the keys in my car, and you drive off with it, you have stolen my car. This guy PAID for the console, the store delivered it...so where is the theft here? The store is the one at fault, they were under contract from their supplier/Microsoft to only ship the console in time for the release date. The guy being delivered to IS NOT AT FAULT. At all. He did not arrange to receive the console ahead of time.
As for getting his account banned...read the article. It was a machine ban, not an account ban. He was able to access the very same account on his 360. As for bragging about it...who wouldn't? The most talked about home console in recent years, you get one early, who wouldn't talk about it?
The one line I have the most problem with is "but I think they're justified in trying to keep the console under-wraps from the public until official release."
That can only be true for people and groups under their direct control or under contract with them. Microsoft employees? Yes. PR spokespeople? Yes. Out-sourced marketing companies? Yes. Resellers of their console? Yes. End customers who have literally no contract at all with Microsoft? No. In fact, I would be very surprised if the customer's EULA/TOS/legalese document that they see upon initial bootup contains a clause saying "Thou Shalt Not Use this Before Official Release Date".
I'm not going to get either console myself, but if I were in this guy's shoes, I would have done the exact same thing. I would have opened the box, taken photos and video of it, hooked it up just to see if I get any sort of online service. I would not have looked at the box and said "Ya know what, I'm not going to, I'm going to wait until the release date like a chump, instead of bragging that I got the console early through no fault of my own".
Actually with Valve games you can still play multiplayer, just not on VAC-secured servers. Though I assume other games that use Steamworks would ban you from the multiplayer.Ed130 said:
Revolutionary said:
Well, Shuhei Yoshida said on Twitter that anyone that receives a PS4 early and connects online wouldn't banned, so yeah they would be OK with that at least.
In fairness, if you didn't know that going in there is something very, very wrong.rhizhim said:
Wait, doesn't he need a patch distributed on Xbox Live to do that, though?Phrozenflame500 said:
Microsoft's set the bar so low that not releasing their army of mutant hellhounds is enough for praise these days.Callate said:
Kind of like how it's more impressive that Bart Simpson gets a C than when Lisa gets another A.
Sony, the company that's giving out early access consoles as prizes? Yeah, no way would they let people get away with early access and "spilling the beans." This is clearly a fanboy issue, logic be damned!Revolutionary said:
This.Revolutionary said:
I'm stunned that people are currently trying to make out that Microsoft is still evil and not laughing their guts out at the genius who freaking did an unboxing video of an unreleased product that he then connected to the internet.
This article makes it sound wrong.
His console is fine, he can play without problems. It's only tempbanned from connecting and playing on XBox Live till the launch, note that the console is tempbanned, not his account. Apart from that the guy also was invited to the launch event by Major Nelson as apology for the inconvenience.
This is a perfectly normal business practice and nothing any other company wouldn't have done. The backends aren't finished yet, that's just how it is.
His console is fine, he can play without problems. It's only tempbanned from connecting and playing on XBox Live till the launch, note that the console is tempbanned, not his account. Apart from that the guy also was invited to the launch event by Major Nelson as apology for the inconvenience.
This is a perfectly normal business practice and nothing any other company wouldn't have done. The backends aren't finished yet, that's just how it is.