Xbox One: We must make a pact.

[Hawkeye21]

All other Xbone shortcomings are but annoyances except one: you no longer own the games you buy. You "license" them. Which means when the expiration date is up - you no longer own shit. Keep that in mind when buying your Xbone. I feel that this abominable practice must be abolished as soon as possible.

 

[CannibalCorpses]

The only reason i bought an xbox 360 was because my mates couldn't finish dead rising and i knew i could set the pace...i promise not to do it again and you can call that a pact if you like

 

[mysecondlife]

But but but but...... haloooooooo

...Yeah not going to buy it.

 

[Fijiman]

Trust me, right now the only way MS is getting money for a new console from me is if my 360 dies and I get a 360 slim to replace it.

 

[Lazy Kitty]

As if anyone who follows these events would even consider buying One.

 

[ScrabbitRabbit]

Anyway, I was thinking of getting one. It has better exclusives.

Well, to each their own and everything. The stuff shown at the PS4 reveal was miles more interesting, imo. I liked the look of MGSV (multi-format) and Titanfall (out on PC, too) looked OK. Nothing else grabbed me, though. Ryse, in particular, stands out as looking truly awful.

I was thinking of Sunset Overdrive and Spark, but PS4 doesn't have any exclusives I find that interesting. That said, because of the price I will still get a PS4- I posted that comment before it got to the part in my stream about price. And the Mad Max game.

I liked the look of Spark, but they mentioned it was on Windows 8 devices, too. I can't help but be skeptical of Spark, but it might be worth keeping an eye on; it was nice to see some colour.

 

[Ed LeCore]

Oddly enough I agree with the tone of the OP, I dislike melodrama but some people are missing the real point, this isn't about just gaming and console wars, this is about consumer rights. Since the dawn of humanity we have traded what we bought, we have ownership of objects (outside of proto-communist tribal societies), and Microsoft have decided on a centralized, super controlled system like a soviet state, it is a sinister development, and I have no doubt Sony would have happily gone down the same path if not for the massive and justified backlash against Microsoft, that backlash just saved the console.

Now the PS4 is the only real next gen console left. Since the NES, and even before during the 2nd gen era (Amiga 500 anyone?) we traded games with our friends, we factoring re-sale and swaps into our buying habits, it was our little slice of the market and trade world, it was freedom, and along with pro-consumer competition the good side of capitalism, Microsoft wanted to impose a monopoly, the bad side of capitalism. It takes away competition, so higher prices, our choice of brand and use of the product, and I truly hope that the shiney new exclusives don't cause all that many to allow corporations to take yet another liberty from us, one tiny step at a time.

Game publishers are the most of arrogant, self entitled companies that have ever existed, literally. Looking throughout history I have yet to find any manufacturer of anything, from flint tools to elegant 17th century tables that demanded the buyer lose ownership rights, unbelievable. The XBone was made for these publishers, to allow them to indulge this attitude, and I for one will never spend money to encourage these parasites, and neither should anyone else. Ignorance and apathy is no excuse, we need to educate and inspire our fellow consumers to be aware of the enemies of our rights.


I am not denying that you have a right to buy an XBone if that is your choice, but it will be one of the last you can make from then on.

 

[Pink Gregory]

It's good to raise awareness. This should be couched as a self-respect issue. Basically people that fall in line, treat them as if they don't have any self respect. And don't let them forget it. And by them, I mean them as a group. Which is kind of like a pact, but basically its just a counter culture. It's about time for a good ol' schism.

Insulting people for their taste in entertainment devices isn't going to convert them, it's just going to get their backs up and reinforce their decision.

Do it in a non-condescending way and then it'll work, but from experience I don't think many gamers can actually do that, the vindictive little cunts.

 

[00slash00]

holy balls dude, you take games way too seriously (never mind, after reading Ed LeCore's post, the op doesn't look nearly as intense). we're talking about a console here, not a dictator. really, none of the policies of the xbox one bother me. i already avoid used games and never cared that much about drm. im mainly a pc gamers so it doesnt matter either way, but i dont have an issue with the xbox one. seriously, imagine what a better place this would be if people cared half as much about real world problems, as they do about video games

 

[Ed LeCore]

holy balls dude, you take games way too seriously (never mind, after reading Ed LeCore's post, the op doesn't look nearly as intense). we're talking about a console here, not a dictator. really, none of the policies of the xbox one bother me. i already avoid used games and never cared that much about drm. im mainly a pc gamers so it doesnt matter either way, but i dont have an issue with the xbox one. seriously, imagine what a better place this would be if people cared half as much about real world problems, as they do about video games

Consumer rights are real world problems, as I addressed at the beginning of my post, its not just about consoles. As to dictators, one of the problems with giving corporations too much power and control is that they have as much money, and in some cases actual political power as actual countries, but without the democratic restrictions. Some with too much faith in the market think that that's ok and it will sort itself out, but not if the consumer fails to recognize a threat to their purchasing power. If your're going to reference my post at least acknowledge the points I made. I am a PC gamer too, and neither console effects me directly, however we are all effected by changes in corporate culture. Big picture people.

 

[Lightknight]

The silliness that the Xbone has brought to the table should hurt them on it's own. Sony should get to experience a decent amount of market share this time around and Microsoft will loose their dominance in the AAA space.

While I'm now firmly decided on a PS4, I don't begrudge people who decide on the Xbone. I just hope they understand what they're doing when they choose it over a ps4 or the computer.

 

[Happiness Assassin]

I will probably end up getting it as my friends will most likely get it and none of the problems are that important to me. I will wait for the price to drop to at most $399. So it comes down to apathy and the power of friendship. Now isn't that just sad.

 

[00slash00]

holy balls dude, you take games way too seriously (never mind, after reading Ed LeCore's post, the op doesn't look nearly as intense). we're talking about a console here, not a dictator. really, none of the policies of the xbox one bother me. i already avoid used games and never cared that much about drm. im mainly a pc gamers so it doesnt matter either way, but i dont have an issue with the xbox one. seriously, imagine what a better place this would be if people cared half as much about real world problems, as they do about video games

Consumer rights are real world problems, as I addressed at the beginning of my post, its not just about consoles. As to dictators, one of the problems with giving corporations too much power and control is that they have as much money, and in some cases actual political power as actual countries, but without the democratic restrictions. Some with too much faith in the market think that that's ok and it will sort itself out, but not if the consumer fails to recognize a threat to their purchasing power. If your're going to reference my post at least acknowledge the points I made. I am a PC gamer too, and neither console effects me directly, however we are all effected by changes in corporate culture. Big picture people.

i didnt quote you because i didnt really feel like getting in to a big thing with you because ive had debates with people on this site about subjects like this before. it never goes anywhere is is just two people butting heads until one of them gets bored and stops responding. however, you're right. if i wasnt going to directly address your point, i shouldnt have mentioned it at all. i apologize for that

 

[Atmos Duality]

You don't need a pact; just a brain to see the folly of such anti-consumer practices and a spine to reject them consistently.

 

[Cowmugger]

All other Xbone shortcomings are but annoyances except one: you no longer own the games you buy. You "license" them. Which means when the expiration date is up - you no longer own shit. Keep that in mind when buying your Xbone. I feel that this abominable practice must be abolished as soon as possible.

I believe that's legally been the case for quite a long time. In the case of Steam, it certainly is.

 

[BehattedWanderer]

Do we have to? Upholding a pact to an illogical degree seems to be what caused all this nonsense to happen. How about instead, we buy it as it suits our interests? If you really want to pay 500 to watch Netflix, some sports channels, and maybe occasionally play a game, then do so. If you want to play games without needing a tiny electronic Judas spying on you and checking in with your disapproving corporate mother who doesn't like you associating with that Gamestop Kid, then get a PS4, or play on a computer. We have options.

 

[Malty Milk Whistle]

I'm in . But it has to be a blood pact . With sacrifices and everything .

So what we need is . A knife , a virgin , a lunar eclipse , some black hoods , some candles , and a bag of oreos . Because everything is better with oreos.

ooh ooh ooh, don't forget the obsidian knife which was sanctified on a Wednesday morning.
Or else we'll just look silly.

And we wouldn't want that when we're singing a pact over the internet.

 

[5mj7R7yf4Dwr3gdZyyu9PeGNwYjlNrjzuh3iTXQG]

Here and now, we must make a pact. A promise to be remembered in the days to come. And that promise is, no matter what happens down the road, we will never forget the injustices the Xbox One has committed. Mandatory online connection, locking games into the system, the blocking of used games - all of this could fade from our minds if we let it. But now, we make a pact to remember all the evil that has transpired, to never let ourselves forget what Microsoft has done against games. Because if we don't - well, they'll just do it again.

We made the same pact when Windows Vista requred draconian online verification. We forgot that pact when Windows 7 came out, and now, Windows 8 monitors your activity like a Kinect camera and reports home to Big MS. They haven't learned yet.

Here in the US we were really sore over the hostility between Christian denominations in England (mostly between the Anglicans and the Catholics)Most of us were fringe groups that also escaping persecution for believing differently. When we got here, and some of that bullshit was manifesting again (colonies had defined their own settlement religions) we nipped that shit in the bud with the First Amendment. That was our pact.

And today we have Senators saying the the First Amendment is freedom of religion, not freedom from religion which is total bullshit (freedom from religious persecution was the primary intent of the separation clause.) Today we have lobbyists from churches and media heads adamantly defending Christian privilege in US statutes, and making manifest slanders of non-Christians. If they ever did wipe out the nons and others, they'd turn on each other again.

So even when it comes to very serious pacts, we tend to forget them with time.

238U

EDIT: signed.

 

[aba1]

I can't believe people are giving in so easily. The XBone is the worst piece of crap I have ever seen. When they stop supporting the system a few years down the road all the xbox users are going to lose all their games too. Also the constant comparisons to Steam don't even make sense since Steam is a free service and the XBone is a expensive product. If the XBone was free and had no gold charges and was a online only store than maybe we might have a decent comparison but it isn't it is a console.

If people let this slide they not only screw themselves but they screw everybody else as well in a not only self destructive act but a act that hurts everyone as a whole dragging down the entire industry. I just can't believe people are so willing to bend over and let Microsoft anally abuse them.

 

[aba1]

holy balls dude, you take games way too seriously (never mind, after reading Ed LeCore's post, the op doesn't look nearly as intense). we're talking about a console here, not a dictator. really, none of the policies of the xbox one bother me. i already avoid used games and never cared that much about drm. im mainly a pc gamers so it doesnt matter either way, but i dont have an issue with the xbox one. seriously, imagine what a better place this would be if people cared half as much about real world problems, as they do about video games

Consumer rights are real world problems, as I addressed at the beginning of my post, its not just about consoles. As to dictators, one of the problems with giving corporations too much power and control is that they have as much money, and in some cases actual political power as actual countries, but without the democratic restrictions. Some with too much faith in the market think that that's ok and it will sort itself out, but not if the consumer fails to recognize a threat to their purchasing power. If your're going to reference my post at least acknowledge the points I made. I am a PC gamer too, and neither console effects me directly, however we are all effected by changes in corporate culture. Big picture people.

Glad some people get it. Everyone just looks at the problem in front of them and never take time to consider the bigger picture at the end of the day.