Xbox One "Will Do Very Little" Without Day-One Patch

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

>People ***** and complain about the DRM
>people ***** and complain about the patch that kills the DRM and completes the OS that MShad to redo as a result of getting rid of the DRM

Damned if they do, dammed if they don't.

Solid job guys.

Its more people bitching that MS didn't yank the DRM before shipping the Xbone, which would have been nice since it was MS's fault in the first place.

Lets hope at least the second run of consoles will have the Always Online DRM removed before it leaves the factory.

 

[RicoADF]

... Is it legal to sell something like that? If it can't do anything without the patch then can you say it's working as advertised?

I wonder if they'll need large signs everywhere similar to what Gamestop did with used games that had online passes so consumers know ahead of time.

"You need the day one update," he said. "Functionally, you will be able to do very little without taking the day one update."

What's very little? The Setup screen + eula? Hopefully it can at least play games out of box...

In Australia and alot of nations it technically isn't and I'm looking forward to seeing how this plays out. No it wont play games out of the box as the system will still have the 24hr check in required without the patch. All it will do is allow you to sign onto (or create) a xbox account to pay them (if your going gold) and to get the patch. I doubt it will even watch movies out of the box.

 

[Nazulu]

How can anyone with even the slightest bit of intelligence be surprised by this news? They were forced to drastically alter their strategy for the One very late in the development cycle. Of course they're going to have to patch it day 1, most of the launch consoles were likely built and loaded with the software that assumed their cloud-based DRM would be used.

Please use a little bit of common sense before jumping on the MS hate bandwagon for once...

Is that meant to be an excuse? It should at least allow one player games to work, whats the point of providing the option when your forced to go online anyway?

Not only that, but it was their fucking stupid idea to implement all the crap into it in the first place. They started it and they deserve it. This is also common sense.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

>People ***** and complain about the DRM
>people ***** and complain about the patch that kills the DRM and completes the OS that MShad to redo as a result of getting rid of the DRM

Damned if they do, dammed if they don't.

Solid job guys.

The biggest problem is still the people with no way to connect it to the internet. So, yeah, solid job us for pointing that out.

so glueing a dvd onto the box with the needed patch is impossible? have them as handouts like those old aol cd's? or in a bin?
here dont forget the patch dvd. . .

Oh, look. A completely doable solution that would have cost next to nothing. Of course they didn't do that.

 

[Johnny Wishbone]

As much as I like a good Microsoft/Xbone bashing thread, this really is old news, guys. From the moment they did the 180 on the DRM, Microsoft has said that the Xbone will still require a one-time internet connection in order to work when you first power it on. You have to register and activate the console, and also download the manditory update (which is all this article is about). Really nothing to see here, just a rehash of old news to whip the zealots into a fury.

In all honesty, there's a business opportunity here. You know there will be a lot of stuipd soccer moms who will buy an Xbone for their crotchfruit, not realizing this requirement. Then they'll return to the store in a huff and tizzy because the $500 console doesn't work. Stores like Best Buy and Target can offer a "activation service" for $1 to hook it up to the store WiFi and activate the console for them. Basically, its free money for the taking.

 

[smithy_2045]

How can anyone with even the slightest bit of intelligence be surprised by this news? They were forced to drastically alter their strategy for the One very late in the development cycle. Of course they're going to have to patch it day 1, most of the launch consoles were likely built and loaded with the software that assumed their cloud-based DRM would be used.

Please use a little bit of common sense before jumping on the MS hate bandwagon for once...

Is that meant to be an excuse? It should at least allow one player games to work, whats the point of providing the option when your forced to go online anyway?

Not only that, but it was their fucking stupid idea to implement all the crap into it in the first place. They started it and they deserve it. This is also common sense.

It's not an excuse, it's the reason the patch is necessary. It will be trying to use the DRM system that was originally intended, which will be loaded on the One, but won't exist server side.

And it was a fucking good idea that sooks and whingers managed to ruin with their incessant whining about the small things that made sure the system worked. I would've bought the One at launch if it was the effectively fully digital option they first presented. I don't deny that Microsoft fucked up when revealing the details, for some stupid reason they decided to focusing on the limitations instead of the positives, but the overwhelming response of "I HATE CHANGE" does not sit well with me in the slightest.

 

[smithy_2045]

so glueing a dvd onto the box with the needed patch is impossible? have them as handouts like those old aol cd's? or in a bin?
here dont forget the patch dvd. . .

Oh, look. A completely doable solution that would have cost next to nothing. Of course they didn't do that.

You're fucking shitting me right?

Producing millions of discs to ship out the software would take at least a couple of weeks. On top of that, shipping those discs across the globe would take another couple of weeks, so we're already talking a month of extra work for producing discs and shipping them that they don't have to pay for if they provide it as a digital patch.

It's borderline doable, but it most certainly does not cost next to nothing.

 

[Nazulu]

How can anyone with even the slightest bit of intelligence be surprised by this news? They were forced to drastically alter their strategy for the One very late in the development cycle. Of course they're going to have to patch it day 1, most of the launch consoles were likely built and loaded with the software that assumed their cloud-based DRM would be used.

Please use a little bit of common sense before jumping on the MS hate bandwagon for once...

Is that meant to be an excuse? It should at least allow one player games to work, whats the point of providing the option when your forced to go online anyway?

Not only that, but it was their fucking stupid idea to implement all the crap into it in the first place. They started it and they deserve it. This is also common sense.

It's not an excuse, it's the reason the patch is necessary. It will be trying to use the DRM system that was originally intended, which will be loaded on the One, but won't exist server side.

And it was a fucking good idea that sooks and whingers managed to ruin with their incessant whining about the small things that made sure the system worked. I would've bought the One at launch if it was the effectively fully digital option they first presented. I don't deny that Microsoft fucked up when revealing the details, for some stupid reason they decided to focusing on the limitations instead of the positives, but the overwhelming response of "I HATE CHANGE" does not sit well with me in the slightest.

I believe most of the negativity came from all the restrictions that came with it. It really should have been an option to do it one way or the other, ergo it was fucking stupid.

I saw this coming a 100 miles away. The backlash unsurprised me so much that I filled my self up with pop corn enjoying the show.

I'm not even going to bother going into detail about all the complaints, because it was impossible to miss. I'm not surprised you just summed it up as whining, that shallow cop out generalisation I see so often.

 

[FoolKiller]

I get this is a Xbox One thread, but I haven't seen the backs of the cases yet for the games. I did see the back of the PS4 games and its terrifying. PS4 claims that you don't need to install games but on the back of games is 49GB minimum required. Worse yet is the box that says "Offline play enabled".

The DRM from the console manufacturers is gone but they aren't stopping the publishers from doing it. The patch here is just letting Microsoft alleviate some of the rage while not changing much.

 

[J Tyran]

>People ***** and complain about the DRM
>people ***** and complain about the patch that kills the DRM and completes the OS that MShad to redo as a result of getting rid of the DRM

Damned if they do, dammed if they don't.

Solid job guys.

Its more people bitching that MS didn't yank the DRM before shipping the Xbone, which would have been nice since it was MS's fault in the first place.

Lets hope at least the second run of consoles will have the Always Online DRM removed before it leaves the factory.

Thing is by that point it would have been impossible to ship them with the modified OS removing the DRM and other "features", it takes a while to create those updates and pass the updates onto the manufacturers who would have been well into the production run by then. Many consoles would have been complete, some still on site with others sitting in warehouses. They would have had to essentially stop production and go back to the latter design stages and then design->test->build->test->review--->Production loop again whilst recalling all the consoles in storage, no sane company would do that. In the past some have even deliberately shipped faulty products and would rather deal with the trickle of a product recall (that not everyone would take) than go to that level of time and expense.

Shipping some consoles with the new OS and some without would be a nightmare too, its easier for Microsoft to carry on with the production of the console whilst designing and testing the new OS and have a patch ready for launch day. This is perfectly normal behaviour for a consumer electronics product.

Edit.

Seems like in the rush to sling poo at the Xbone people are forgetting that without a day one patch most of the PS4s features are disabled too...

 

[smithy_2045]

How can anyone with even the slightest bit of intelligence be surprised by this news? They were forced to drastically alter their strategy for the One very late in the development cycle. Of course they're going to have to patch it day 1, most of the launch consoles were likely built and loaded with the software that assumed their cloud-based DRM would be used.

Please use a little bit of common sense before jumping on the MS hate bandwagon for once...

Is that meant to be an excuse? It should at least allow one player games to work, whats the point of providing the option when your forced to go online anyway?

Not only that, but it was their fucking stupid idea to implement all the crap into it in the first place. They started it and they deserve it. This is also common sense.

It's not an excuse, it's the reason the patch is necessary. It will be trying to use the DRM system that was originally intended, which will be loaded on the One, but won't exist server side.

And it was a fucking good idea that sooks and whingers managed to ruin with their incessant whining about the small things that made sure the system worked. I would've bought the One at launch if it was the effectively fully digital option they first presented. I don't deny that Microsoft fucked up when revealing the details, for some stupid reason they decided to focusing on the limitations instead of the positives, but the overwhelming response of "I HATE CHANGE" does not sit well with me in the slightest.

I believe most of the negativity came from all the restrictions that came with it. It really should have been an option to do it one way or the other, ergo it was fucking stupid.

I saw this coming a 100 miles away. The backlash unsurprised me so much that I filled my self up with pop corn enjoying the show.

I'm not even going to bother going into detail about all the complaints, because it was impossible to miss. I'm not surprised you just summed it up as whining, that shallow cop out generalisation I see so often.

No shit the negativity came from the restrictions. People aren't going to complain about the positive aspects (and no one did). However, through a combination of negative news being more interesting that positive news and Microsoft's marketing team fucking up big time, the only thing most people heard about was the things you couldn't do, instead of the things you could.

And of course I'm going to sum up whinging as whinging. The things that people were typically kicking up an enormous fuss about were minor things that don't affect the average gamer in the slightest.

 

[Nazulu]

Edit.

Seems like in the rush to sling poo at the Xbone people are forgetting that without a day one patch most of the PS4s features are disabled too...

That depends if you need that patch to be able to play single player games too. Though the response shouldn't change because it's still ridiculous.

 

[Nazulu]

I believe most of the negativity came from all the restrictions that came with it. It really should have been an option to do it one way or the other, ergo it was fucking stupid.

I saw this coming a 100 miles away. The backlash unsurprised me so much that I filled my self up with pop corn enjoying the show.

I'm not even going to bother going into detail about all the complaints, because it was impossible to miss. I'm not surprised you just summed it up as whining, that shallow cop out generalisation I see so often.

No shit the negativity came from the restrictions. People aren't going to complain about the positive aspects (and no one did). However, through a combination of negative news being more interesting that positive news and Microsoft's marketing team fucking up big time, the only thing most people heard about was the things you couldn't do, instead of the things you could.

And of course I'm going to sum up whinging as whinging. The things that people were typically kicking up an enormous fuss about were minor things that don't affect the average gamer in the slightest.

Actually, they did complain about the positive aspects. I forgotten how the 'sharing' worked but a lot of people felt it let them down and wasn't worth it. Also, I believe the things you couldn't do out-weighed the thing could a lot more since that was what all the fuss was about. And what you think was minor doesn't matter, because it wasn't to those who complained. Saying they were just whining just shows you don't care about others interests and don't know how to defend properly either.

I want you to start a thread and defend the hell out of the original Xbox ONE setup, if you are so sure.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

According to the rumour mill, and people who like to crunch the numbers; Microsoft said it will take 20mins to do the update. Since it's Microsoft, we can assume they are obfuscating. The number crunchers have calculated that a 20 minute download over a fast, optimal connection will be 3-4Gb. That is not a patch, that is an entirely new operating system.

 

[Amaror]

so glueing a dvd onto the box with the needed patch is impossible? have them as handouts like those old aol cd's? or in a bin?
here dont forget the patch dvd. . .

Oh, look. A completely doable solution that would have cost next to nothing. Of course they didn't do that.

Are you kidding me? The Entire point of the day one patch is that they didn't have the os ready when they needed to start manufacturing and sending out the xboxes. If they had enough time after they finished the OS to manufacture dvd's of the patch and send them all out, they could have just put it on the xbox itself in the first place.

 

[Slash2x]

BAHAHAHA!!!! So what happened is there was NO change to the DRM policy they had when the first started making the fuckers. Instead they were just planning on patching it out. So on day one it is still a manditory kinect needed and always online system. I want to see what happens if you boot it without the kinect prepatch, bet it flips the fuck out. No I am not curious enough to buy it though.

Watch the patch be like 5 GB and people with shit internet will not be able to get it, causing the same problem always online would have caused. So many returns will happen...........

 

[DracoSuave]

so glueing a dvd onto the box with the needed patch is impossible? have them as handouts like those old aol cd's? or in a bin?
here dont forget the patch dvd. . .

Oh, look. A completely doable solution that would have cost next to nothing. Of course they didn't do that.

Are you kidding me? The Entire point of the day one patch is that they didn't have the os ready when they needed to start manufacturing and sending out the xboxes. If they had enough time after they finished the OS to manufacture dvd's of the patch and send them all out, they could have just put it on the xbox itself in the first place.

six months isn't enough time to produce dvds, apparently.

This is, of course, news to everyone.

 

[theApoc]

I am really not sure if the people who post here are trolling or just plain silly.

Do you HONESTLY think the PS4 will "do much of anything" without a connection? THESE ARE COMPUTERS, they need to be connected to the internet for software updates, unless you want them to mail you CD patches. The article clearly states:

"A lot of the apps come with the day one update because they wouldn't have even been done," he said. "You're gonna need to take this update. It's not gonna be really an optional thing."

Can any of you read? Consoles and hardware HAVE to have a set launch window. It costs millions and millions of dollars to market and ship these things. They can't NOT meet that target if, say, Skype for XBOX is not ready, or any other piece of watchable software. So they ship it, realizing only a moron would buy a digital entertainment system without a connection to any digital entertainment.

Here is a hint, if you connection is too slow to take random patches, don't buy a next gen system that uses an online connection to enhance and expand your experience. Not rocket science here kids... Stay with your 360, next gen is not about fancy graphics and or game titles. It is about delivering an entertainment experience and BOTH console makers rely heavily on an internet connection. If you think otherwise, well you are just being silly.

 

[Slash2x]

BAHAHAHA!!!! So what happened is there was NO change to the DRM policy they had when the first started making the fuckers. Instead they were just planning on patching it out. So on day one it is still a manditory kinect needed and always online system. I want to see what happens if you boot it without the kinect prepatch, bet it flips the fuck out. No I am not curious enough to buy it though.

Watch the patch be like 5 GB and people with shit internet will not be able to get it, causing the same problem always online would have caused. So many returns will happen...........

This is not DRM, genius. Is it DRM when your PC needs to be connected to receive updates? Software is rarely ready at the same time as hardware, you people are just ridiculous...

Yeah I am not going to get into a flame war... My PC works without those updates this does not. My PC was not an expensive brick until I connected online.

"Digital rights management (DRM) is a class of controversial technologies that are used by hardware manufacturers, publishers, copyright holders, and individuals with the intent to control the use of digital content and devices after sale"

 

[Lord_Gremlin]

I'm beginning to think this is all some deliberate ploy by Microsoft to allow them to come out and say the console market is no longer profitable and pull out of it. I mean, they couldn't be so stupid as to actually believe this is going to want to make people buy their console right?

This actually not as insane as you might think. They weren't actually earning any profit from gaming division for a while now.