Ok fair enough, but essentially releasing an empty box that has to have the actual OS downloaded to it afterwords is a bit much even for Microsoft.Strazdas said:
Xbox One "Will Do Very Little" Without Day-One Patch
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Umm, I think you are being a wee bit optimistic about the amount of XBones being sold on release date.Andy Chalk said:
I would like to "congratulate" Microsoft on being the first console manufacturer to officially sell their platform pre-bricked. And by "congratulate", I mean *****-SLAP.
At best, this sounds like M$ is rushing their console out the door.
At worst, this sounds like the prelude to flimsy justification for adding the Online DRM back into the system further down the line. Something to the tune of:
"Well, if you can download the Day-One Patch to un-brick your Xbone, you can deal with our DRM."
A line I am certain to hear repeatedly from future apologists should that ever come to pass, just as the pre-180 heartbreak apologists pushed similarly flimsy logic 6 months back.
What? Sounds like I'm being needlessly cynical?
Need I remind you this is the same company who couldn't get their story straight during the original Xbone launch.
Game consoles aren't complicated: Sell console, sell games, customer plays games on console.
Done.
Everything else, including whatever service-based "features" are at best secondary towards that purpose, otherwise why the fuck should the customer even bother?
At best, this sounds like M$ is rushing their console out the door.
At worst, this sounds like the prelude to flimsy justification for adding the Online DRM back into the system further down the line. Something to the tune of:
"Well, if you can download the Day-One Patch to un-brick your Xbone, you can deal with our DRM."
A line I am certain to hear repeatedly from future apologists should that ever come to pass, just as the pre-180 heartbreak apologists pushed similarly flimsy logic 6 months back.
What? Sounds like I'm being needlessly cynical?
Need I remind you this is the same company who couldn't get their story straight during the original Xbone launch.
Game consoles aren't complicated: Sell console, sell games, customer plays games on console.
Done.
Everything else, including whatever service-based "features" are at best secondary towards that purpose, otherwise why the fuck should the customer even bother?
I think games might still work but thats about it, many features will not though. Headphones (apart from PS4 ones), BD/DVD player (seriously!), more than one account and none of the PS4-PS Vita functions will work until the 1.50 day one patch along with a bunch of other stuff. Much of that doesn't matter though as its stuff you need the internet for anyway like some of the streaming service apps and the share buttons features like screenshots and video.Nazulu said:
You're not bullshitting me, mister.
If you want to make me believe all the developers worked with non-functioning Xbox Ones over the last couple of months, you're trying to shit the wrong person.
You just want everyone under your control with this device. And since the always-on DRM bombed in huge fashion, you want everyone to register his/her console with Xbox Live at least. For now, that is.
One of your fellows over at MS said in an interview following the DRM-Fallout, that maybe MS will try to bring the always-on DRM back to the Xbox One once the time is right. Now you work on manipulating your users' conciousness and make them accept losing their freedom a bit more everytime until people say: Oh, always online DRM is okay, since this thing has to be online almost every day anyways.
Maybe there's a bit of conspiracy paranoia in this, but after what Microsoft showed at E3 as their vision of the future and stating the time's not come yet to introduce all this surveillance equipment into the living room, but eventually it will, I suspect nothing less than the worst from you.
No, sir. I'll pass, thank you.
If they wanted, Microsoft could manufacture and distribute a patch DVD to every games store on the planet in 2 months or less. So while you couldn't slip one into every box you could present every launch day and preorder customer with the patch on a DVD along with their XBone.Amaror said:
Your PC is not an online entertainment console. Anyone who has seen anything about the next XBOX knows exactly what they are attempting to provide, very little of which is possible without an internet connection. Your phone, your cable/satellite, the current gen PS3/360, none of those devices are intended to, or are capable of their full functionality without a network connection. None of them.slash2x said:
So to claim that needing to update a system that shipped before software was done, is some insidious scheme by MS is just plain stupid. No need for a flame war, you don't have a leg to stand on...
Ahhh microsoft, you are tainting the game industry even more with needless restrictions. Wheeere did i put that N64? The golden age of gaming through unadulterated excitement is long gone.
I mean, what sort of assholes would release a console that wont do what its supposed to?
"Oh yeah, sorry little jimmy, i forgot to tell you, that £450 new present is gonna do bugger all until we sign ourselves up to an internet provider. We just aint good enough to be allowed to play with their new toys unless we can prove we're one of them."
Might just give up on gaming and live a more fullfilling life.
Might...
I mean, what sort of assholes would release a console that wont do what its supposed to?
"Oh yeah, sorry little jimmy, i forgot to tell you, that £450 new present is gonna do bugger all until we sign ourselves up to an internet provider. We just aint good enough to be allowed to play with their new toys unless we can prove we're one of them."
Might just give up on gaming and live a more fullfilling life.
Might...
This multiplied by about 10000. I think I will likely skip this generation - at least until a new fallout or elder scrolls comes along - then I guess I'll pretty much have to buy one. Wonder how much offline stuff I can manage.Andy of Comix Inc said:
Hopefully a lot.
Right, because the convenience of digital gaming is far outweighed by the need for an internet connection. Oh, and streaming movies, TV, whatever, just sucks because I need to be online...NameIsRobertPaulson said:
I don't need to work for MS to realize the benefits of a constant connection. I dropped my satellite 6 months ago and started using my 360 as an entertainment hub. If you don't want a constant connection, fine, but to claim that it is somehow anti consumer is just wrong.
hulu, netflix, amazon prime, games, youtube... I use my 360 for these things daily, it is the ONLY device I have in my living room. None of which are possible without a connection. All of which have software attached to them. So if MS needs to tweak things in order for me to get the best possible experience, and yes I personally do feel being connected enhances MY experience, then so be it.
You are complaining about something that is probably happening on your phone and PC right at this very moment...
I guess they covered their asses by letting us know ahead of time? That's totally dirty. They got rid of DRM, but their priorities are far from straight.-Dragmire- said:
I think people are blowing this up out of proportion. Almost every game that I bought for the 360, PS-3, WII, or WII-U seemed to require an update before it could be run. I wanted to throw that PS-3 out the window every time I turned it on to stream NetFlix and it forced me to install an update that almost always took 45 to 60 minutes.
you forgot about the games. the thing doesnt play games as soon as you buy it! above all the xbox is a game console. so to many people, the xbox is quite useless untill you download the day one update. obviously you need the internet to use apps like netflix, but if it doesnt do anything else it should be able to play games when you buy it without a patch.theApoc said:
Lol, I noticed that too. Also- why would you want to do all of that on the 360, where it's conveniently behind a paywall to access? My PS3 AND PC let me do all of that without having to pay a middleman for the privilege.comando0110 said:
Game console phhht! This thing is supposed to replace everything in your house. Cable box? It will do that! VCR? It will do that! Fridge? It will do that!comando0110 said:
What do you mean you bought a game console to play games? Are you daft? That is so 1990's!
They missed the boat on my original post that it is not some secret plot they just are lazy and left the original models alone with intent to patch out their moronic policies. Ignore button works wonders.
So everyone who buys an Xbone will have to immediately connect to the patch servers to make it work. Well gee it's a good thing there's never been an issue with server connection problems with online games in the past or Microsoft would be in big trouble. I'm sure the whole thing will go painlessly and millions of paying customers won't be left screaming at their useless yet overly expensive doorstops in rage.
Microsoft is selling a game console that can't play games out of the box. Next gen is so amazing guys! /sarcasm.
Honestly I am going to call it right now that this generation is going to be the generation of stagnation. It is going to be more of the same of last gen with slightly better textures.
I won't hate on people for wanting to bend over for microsoft, just don't expect me to feel sorry every time they screw you with no lube.
Honestly I am going to call it right now that this generation is going to be the generation of stagnation. It is going to be more of the same of last gen with slightly better textures.
I won't hate on people for wanting to bend over for microsoft, just don't expect me to feel sorry every time they screw you with no lube.