Xbox One "Will Do Very Little" Without Day-One Patch

[Atmos Duality]

I would like to "congratulate" Microsoft on being the first console manufacturer to officially sell their platform pre-bricked. And by "congratulate", I mean *****-SLAP.

At best, this sounds like M$ is rushing their console out the door.

At worst, this sounds like the prelude to flimsy justification for adding the Online DRM back into the system further down the line. Something to the tune of:
"Well, if you can download the Day-One Patch to un-brick your Xbone, you can deal with our DRM."

A line I am certain to hear repeatedly from future apologists should that ever come to pass, just as the pre-180 heartbreak apologists pushed similarly flimsy logic 6 months back.

What? Sounds like I'm being needlessly cynical?

Need I remind you this is the same company who couldn't get their story straight during the original Xbone launch.

Game consoles aren't complicated: Sell console, sell games, customer plays games on console.
Done.

Everything else, including whatever service-based "features" are at best secondary towards that purpose, otherwise why the fuck should the customer even bother?

 

[J Tyran]

Edit.

Seems like in the rush to sling poo at the Xbone people are forgetting that without a day one patch most of the PS4s features are disabled too...

That depends if you need that patch to be able to play single player games too. Though the response shouldn't change because it's still ridiculous.

I think games might still work but thats about it, many features will not though. Headphones (apart from PS4 ones), BD/DVD player (seriously!), more than one account and none of the PS4-PS Vita functions will work until the 1.50 day one patch along with a bunch of other stuff. Much of that doesn't matter though as its stuff you need the internet for anyway like some of the streaming service apps and the share buttons features like screenshots and video.

 

[saxxon.de]

The issue, Penello explained, is that the Xbox One is being shipped with an old and, from the sounds of it, incomplete version of the operating system.

You're not bullshitting me, mister.
If you want to make me believe all the developers worked with non-functioning Xbox Ones over the last couple of months, you're trying to shit the wrong person.

You just want everyone under your control with this device. And since the always-on DRM bombed in huge fashion, you want everyone to register his/her console with Xbox Live at least. For now, that is.

One of your fellows over at MS said in an interview following the DRM-Fallout, that maybe MS will try to bring the always-on DRM back to the Xbox One once the time is right. Now you work on manipulating your users' conciousness and make them accept losing their freedom a bit more everytime until people say: Oh, always online DRM is okay, since this thing has to be online almost every day anyways.

Maybe there's a bit of conspiracy paranoia in this, but after what Microsoft showed at E3 as their vision of the future and stating the time's not come yet to introduce all this surveillance equipment into the living room, but eventually it will, I suspect nothing less than the worst from you.

No, sir. I'll pass, thank you.

 

[Andrew_C]

so glueing a dvd onto the box with the needed patch is impossible? have them as handouts like those old aol cd's? or in a bin?
here dont forget the patch dvd. . .

Oh, look. A completely doable solution that would have cost next to nothing. Of course they didn't do that.

Are you kidding me? The Entire point of the day one patch is that they didn't have the os ready when they needed to start manufacturing and sending out the xboxes. If they had enough time after they finished the OS to manufacture dvd's of the patch and send them all out, they could have just put it on the xbox itself in the first place.

If they wanted, Microsoft could manufacture and distribute a patch DVD to every games store on the planet in 2 months or less. So while you couldn't slip one into every box you could present every launch day and preorder customer with the patch on a DVD along with their XBone.

 

[theApoc]

Yeah I am not going to get into a flame war... My PC works without those updates this does not. My PC was not an expensive brick until I connected online.

"Digital rights management (DRM) is a class of controversial technologies that are used by hardware manufacturers, publishers, copyright holders, and individuals with the intent to control the use of digital content and devices after sale"

Your PC is not an online entertainment console. Anyone who has seen anything about the next XBOX knows exactly what they are attempting to provide, very little of which is possible without an internet connection. Your phone, your cable/satellite, the current gen PS3/360, none of those devices are intended to, or are capable of their full functionality without a network connection. None of them.

So to claim that needing to update a system that shipped before software was done, is some insidious scheme by MS is just plain stupid. No need for a flame war, you don't have a leg to stand on...

 

[Neurotic Void Melody]

Ahhh microsoft, you are tainting the game industry even more with needless restrictions. Wheeere did i put that N64? The golden age of gaming through unadulterated excitement is long gone.
I mean, what sort of assholes would release a console that wont do what its supposed to?
"Oh yeah, sorry little jimmy, i forgot to tell you, that £450 new present is gonna do bugger all until we sign ourselves up to an internet provider. We just aint good enough to be allowed to play with their new toys unless we can prove we're one of them."

Might just give up on gaming and live a more fullfilling life.

Might...

 

[carpathic]

So if I don't want to or can't connect Xbox One to the internet, I guess I can just not buy it. Thanks for the heads up, Microsoft!

(The majority of audiences will be offline users. Same as with this generation. Most of the world doesn't have internet. Also, though, most of the world wants to play videogames - well, games in general, but videogames fit the bill.)

This multiplied by about 10000. I think I will likely skip this generation - at least until a new fallout or elder scrolls comes along - then I guess I'll pretty much have to buy one. Wonder how much offline stuff I can manage.

Hopefully a lot.

 

[comando0110]

im going to wait 4 months before i buy the xbox one

 

[theApoc]

Did you really just use the words "Enhance and expand your experience?"

Stop reading off the card, it gives away your position with Microsoft. Following it up with Microsoft's exact advice for people with bad internet connections (just use a 360) didn't help either.

Also, PS4 will still be able to play offline games without the patch. Just saying.

Right, because the convenience of digital gaming is far outweighed by the need for an internet connection. Oh, and streaming movies, TV, whatever, just sucks because I need to be online...

I don't need to work for MS to realize the benefits of a constant connection. I dropped my satellite 6 months ago and started using my 360 as an entertainment hub. If you don't want a constant connection, fine, but to claim that it is somehow anti consumer is just wrong.

hulu, netflix, amazon prime, games, youtube... I use my 360 for these things daily, it is the ONLY device I have in my living room. None of which are possible without a connection. All of which have software attached to them. So if MS needs to tweak things in order for me to get the best possible experience, and yes I personally do feel being connected enhances MY experience, then so be it.

You are complaining about something that is probably happening on your phone and PC right at this very moment...

 

[TheSteeleStrap]

... Is it legal to sell something like that? If it can't do anything without the patch then can you say it's working as advertised?

I wonder if they'll need large signs everywhere similar to what Gamestop did with used games that had online passes so consumers know ahead of time.

"You need the day one update," he said. "Functionally, you will be able to do very little without taking the day one update."

What's very little? The Setup screen + eula? Hopefully it can at least play games out of box...

I guess they covered their asses by letting us know ahead of time? That's totally dirty. They got rid of DRM, but their priorities are far from straight.

 

[spwatkins]

I think people are blowing this up out of proportion. Almost every game that I bought for the 360, PS-3, WII, or WII-U seemed to require an update before it could be run. I wanted to throw that PS-3 out the window every time I turned it on to stream NetFlix and it forced me to install an update that almost always took 45 to 60 minutes.

 

[comando0110]

Yeah I am not going to get into a flame war... My PC works without those updates this does not. My PC was not an expensive brick until I connected online.

"Digital rights management (DRM) is a class of controversial technologies that are used by hardware manufacturers, publishers, copyright holders, and individuals with the intent to control the use of digital content and devices after sale"

Your PC is not an online entertainment console. Anyone who has seen anything about the next XBOX knows exactly what they are attempting to provide, very little of which is possible without an internet connection. Your phone, your cable/satellite, the current gen PS3/360, none of those devices are intended to, or are capable of their full functionality without a network connection. None of them.

So to claim that needing to update a system that shipped before software was done, is some insidious scheme by MS is just plain stupid. No need for a flame war, you don't have a leg to stand on...

you forgot about the games. the thing doesnt play games as soon as you buy it! above all the xbox is a game console. so to many people, the xbox is quite useless untill you download the day one update. obviously you need the internet to use apps like netflix, but if it doesnt do anything else it should be able to play games when you buy it without a patch.

 

[comando0110]

Did you really just use the words "Enhance and expand your experience?"

Stop reading off the card, it gives away your position with Microsoft. Following it up with Microsoft's exact advice for people with bad internet connections (just use a 360) didn't help either.

Also, PS4 will still be able to play offline games without the patch. Just saying.

Right, because the convenience of digital gaming is far outweighed by the need for an internet connection. Oh, and streaming movies, TV, whatever, just sucks because I need to be online...

I don't need to work for MS to realize the benefits of a constant connection. I dropped my satellite 6 months ago and started using my 360 as an entertainment hub. If you don't want a constant connection, fine, but to claim that it is somehow anti consumer is just wrong.

hulu, netflix, amazon prime, games, youtube... I use my 360 for these things daily, it is the ONLY device I have in my living room. None of which are possible without a connection. All of which have software attached to them. So if MS needs to tweak things in order for me to get the best possible experience, and yes I personally do feel being connected enhances MY experience, then so be it.

You are complaining about something that is probably happening on your phone and PC right at this very moment...

You probabaly do work for microsoft. because you forgot what a video game is.

 

[tangoprime]

Did you really just use the words "Enhance and expand your experience?"

Stop reading off the card, it gives away your position with Microsoft. Following it up with Microsoft's exact advice for people with bad internet connections (just use a 360) didn't help either.

Also, PS4 will still be able to play offline games without the patch. Just saying.

Right, because the convenience of digital gaming is far outweighed by the need for an internet connection. Oh, and streaming movies, TV, whatever, just sucks because I need to be online...

I don't need to work for MS to realize the benefits of a constant connection. I dropped my satellite 6 months ago and started using my 360 as an entertainment hub. If you don't want a constant connection, fine, but to claim that it is somehow anti consumer is just wrong.

hulu, netflix, amazon prime, games, youtube... I use my 360 for these things daily, it is the ONLY device I have in my living room. None of which are possible without a connection. All of which have software attached to them. So if MS needs to tweak things in order for me to get the best possible experience, and yes I personally do feel being connected enhances MY experience, then so be it.

You are complaining about something that is probably happening on your phone and PC right at this very moment...

You probabaly do work for microsoft. because you forgot what a video game is.

Lol, I noticed that too. Also- why would you want to do all of that on the 360, where it's conveniently behind a paywall to access? My PS3 AND PC let me do all of that without having to pay a middleman for the privilege.

 

[Slash2x]

*snip

Your PC is not an online entertainment console. Anyone who has seen anything about the next XBOX knows exactly what they are attempting to provide, very little of which is possible without an internet connection. Your phone, your cable/satellite, the current gen PS3/360, none of those devices are intended to, or are capable of their full functionality without a network connection. None of them.

So to claim that needing to update a system that shipped before software was done, is some insidious scheme by MS is just plain stupid. No need for a flame war, you don't have a leg to stand on...

you forgot about the games. the thing doesnt play games as soon as you buy it! above all the xbox is a game console. so to many people, the xbox is quite useless untill you download the day one update. obviously you need the internet to use apps like netflix, but if it doesnt do anything else it should be able to play games when you buy it without a patch.

Game console phhht! This thing is supposed to replace everything in your house. Cable box? It will do that! VCR? It will do that! Fridge? It will do that!

What do you mean you bought a game console to play games? Are you daft? That is so 1990's!

They missed the boat on my original post that it is not some secret plot they just are lazy and left the original models alone with intent to patch out their moronic policies. Ignore button works wonders.

 

[Psychobabble]

So everyone who buys an Xbone will have to immediately connect to the patch servers to make it work. Well gee it's a good thing there's never been an issue with server connection problems with online games in the past or Microsoft would be in big trouble. I'm sure the whole thing will go painlessly and millions of paying customers won't be left screaming at their useless yet overly expensive doorstops in rage.

 

[GAunderrated]

Microsoft is selling a game console that can't play games out of the box. Next gen is so amazing guys! /sarcasm.

Honestly I am going to call it right now that this generation is going to be the generation of stagnation. It is going to be more of the same of last gen with slightly better textures.

I won't hate on people for wanting to bend over for microsoft, just don't expect me to feel sorry every time they screw you with no lube.

 

[theApoc]

you forgot about the games. the thing doesnt play games as soon as you buy it! above all the xbox is a game console. so to many people, the xbox is quite useless untill you download the day one update. obviously you need the internet to use apps like netflix, but if it doesnt do anything else it should be able to play games when you buy it without a patch.

Um, is that what the article said? Because I am pretty sure they didn't mention games at all. I am pretty sure his statement was referring to built in apps, and didn't mention anything about games. It's not like the device is going to not turn on if you are not connected, at least there has been no indication of that. So if you turn it on, plug it in and pop in a disc, unless that company decided to put an internet check on disc, I am pretty sure it will play just fine.

Maybe the XBOX will want to be online to setup, I do however doubt that would be the case as they stated earlier there would be no requirement for a constant connection.

The ire on these boards is based solely on speculation and has nothing to do what will actually happen. If this was post launch and people were blocked from using the thing, then ok, but nothing in the quote above says that will be the case.

 

[theApoc]

You probabaly do work for microsoft. because you forgot what a video game is.

It's not designed for just video games, it was never presented as such. To claim otherwise and to be upset that they are delivering what was presented, well that is just ridiculous.

 

[The Lugz]

Way to go Microsoft. I mean I already knew you were fucking stupid, but this is beyond what I thought even you were capable of. Shipping the thing with an incomplete OS, WTF?

Microsoft are incapable of creating a functional operating system that is not an odd numbered windows release, seriously. it's just a thing now they even had to add a 1 to windows 8 to make it work.