Personally, sdtv resolution makes me vomit and it's horrendously outdated, but I know plenty of people who hang on to them. Smooth Microsoft. If becoming a lot more affordable in the last few years wasn't enough to get people to switch to HD, what makes Microsoft think their console can force people to switch?
Xbox One Won't Support SDTVs
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My TV's standard def because I watch a half-hour of TV a day; it's not worth buying an HDTV until my SDTV dies. Of course I wasn't planning on buying one of these things anyway....
Very good, sir!synobal said:
It's funny how people are so condescending in this article. Yeah I guess I'm one of the "few" people who don't own an HDTV. What about people who's console isn't hooked up to their HDTV? I guess none of us matter huh? Sure I could buy a tiny 20" HDTV for 200 bucks but for that I'd rather just play on my computer that already has a 20" a monitor. So this is probably a deal breaker for me. Not going to drop close to or over a grand just for a Xbox and tv that's a decent size.
I was going off memory, but looking it up, it's at 30% based on the Nielsen ratings from Fall 2012. Granted, it's still dwindling year by year as costs lower and accessibility rises... but that number is vastly lower on a global scale in markets where HD TV has not penetrated as hard (because MOST people in the world are not wealthy Americans).Midniqht said:
Beyond that, I've actually found that HD games look, at times, BETTER on SD because many imperfections in game graphics and texturing are smoothed out and obscured. It does not look as DEFINED, but it looks BETTER (just as a pretty girl can be pretty until you put her in high definition and can now see every pore and minor imperfection on her skin).
Oh lord, please dont be apart of that 'Xbone' group. Every time I see a post with that word in it, I immediately throw out all credibility of that post and stop reading. This also include M$ and the such. It feels sooooooooooooo immature.
But about the original topic... I cant specifically say anything good or bad about this. Many people are using Neilson ratings as their go to stat, but we also dont see how many of those people who use SD TV's actually connect an Xbox to it. With the current population, we have a LARGE amount of older adults compared to younger, and they are the most likely to have those older SD TV's.
But about the original topic... I cant specifically say anything good or bad about this. Many people are using Neilson ratings as their go to stat, but we also dont see how many of those people who use SD TV's actually connect an Xbox to it. With the current population, we have a LARGE amount of older adults compared to younger, and they are the most likely to have those older SD TV's.
This is a bad call. A lot of people still don't have an HDTV. And if they do it's not really a good one. I have an HDTV that I bought just last year, although I'm not fuckin' interested in Xbox One. But a lot of people I know don't have an HDTV and they don't want one. They just don't see the purpose yet and it's too expensive for them. Jim Sterling is right. This console is for the rich and privileged.
Heh... almost everyone is complaining about the lack of SD support, while my first reaction to the news was "what? No DisplayPort?"
I can't see the difference between HDTV and SDTV so I have my SDTV and enjoy it. Just another reason I'm glad I'm upgrading my PC this year.
Agreed, this thing is going to be released in late 2013, most people would probably buy it in 2014 at the earliest. At some point you can't rip XBOX for everything that is based on new technology. How much 2010 technology do you want in this thing? And though I sympathize with people who can't afford to upgrade their tv right away, but they have to build this for now and the future, at least another 5 to 10 years? Plus I assume if they added SDTV support, it would make the whole thing more expensive for the majority of people who don't need it.Mr.Tea said:
Yep, Our house is SD TVs, the proper big ones we got cheap when flatscreen just started to become all the rage, I had an original Xbox, funny that they actually restrict themselves in such a big wayKheapathic said:
Also am I the only one who thinks Xbox Bum is a better degradation of Xbox One than Xbone?
You have a point, but keep in mind that if we're still talking about the Xbox One and SDTVs together, the people who don't have an HDTV are probably far less likely to even consider an Xbox One. I know they want everyone to be their target audience, but SDTV isn't the target they're aiming for. It's a piece of technology that will continue to decline, as you said, and there's no point in them trying to make it work.Trishbot said:
Are you guys serious?
You can afford several new games a year, planed to apparently invest ~500? for new console on release, most here surely have decent gaming PC of some sort as well not to mention maybe change their smart phone every 6 to 12 month and yet so ?many? in this video game enthusiast board don't own nor can afford a HDTV in roughly 2014?
When did you guys plan to upgrade your TV anyway? When 4k HDTV become mass market products roughly around 2018?
Well bad luck for you guys I suppose. Fine with me I have no need of stuff that outdated...
You can afford several new games a year, planed to apparently invest ~500? for new console on release, most here surely have decent gaming PC of some sort as well not to mention maybe change their smart phone every 6 to 12 month and yet so ?many? in this video game enthusiast board don't own nor can afford a HDTV in roughly 2014?
When did you guys plan to upgrade your TV anyway? When 4k HDTV become mass market products roughly around 2018?
Well bad luck for you guys I suppose. Fine with me I have no need of stuff that outdated...
I heard it was $500 or $300 plus two years live payments. Normally they just convert dollars to pounds so fuck if im spending £500 on a console. Minimum £300 and thats it. Not that im going to buy it, i rent most of my games, so unless they make retals fee free then im not interested.CardinalPiggles said:
Seriously, does anybody even make or sell SDTVS anymore?
It's been little over three years since I got my 32 inch HDTV, because my SD finally died, plus it was crappy playing my 360 on it anyway, even though it was 27 inches, I was out of luck reading text in most games. And since my TV was the last SD to bite the dust in my family, there really wasn't any point because it was the sound decision to upgrade to HD, considering even then, in 2010, it was pretty much impossible in my area to get another SDTV that was priced low enough to warrant not moving up to HD.
I would say that within a couple years, people truly are going to have to switch and be left behind. With the way technology is now, and how the vast majority have moved on to HD, I think this was the right and easy decision on Microsoft's part. This won't hurt their sales of the XBox One enough to matter, because considering how many gamers are, when they have no choice but to upgrade most will upgrade with in at the most short term in two years.
Even if my SDTV hadn't died, I still would have upgraded to HD, the death of the thing just bumped that time up a few months from when I had planned to upgrade.
Really, with the play, Microsoft could be a key player and finally killing off SD.
It's been little over three years since I got my 32 inch HDTV, because my SD finally died, plus it was crappy playing my 360 on it anyway, even though it was 27 inches, I was out of luck reading text in most games. And since my TV was the last SD to bite the dust in my family, there really wasn't any point because it was the sound decision to upgrade to HD, considering even then, in 2010, it was pretty much impossible in my area to get another SDTV that was priced low enough to warrant not moving up to HD.
I would say that within a couple years, people truly are going to have to switch and be left behind. With the way technology is now, and how the vast majority have moved on to HD, I think this was the right and easy decision on Microsoft's part. This won't hurt their sales of the XBox One enough to matter, because considering how many gamers are, when they have no choice but to upgrade most will upgrade with in at the most short term in two years.
Even if my SDTV hadn't died, I still would have upgraded to HD, the death of the thing just bumped that time up a few months from when I had planned to upgrade.
Really, with the play, Microsoft could be a key player and finally killing off SD.
So lets count the Market Share MS is excluding:
12% of people said no Backwards compatibility is a turn off.
However many people don't have Inet access available regularly.
Anyone who doesn't have an HDMI ready TV.
Anyone to whom Used Games are important.
Um... Microsoft, you do realize the reason the Wii won the last generation was because EVERYONE wanted and could get one, right?
It just confirms what I've already said (and Jim Sterling said it too), the Demographic for the Xbone is upper-middle and upper class families. Not gamers.
12% of people said no Backwards compatibility is a turn off.
However many people don't have Inet access available regularly.
Anyone who doesn't have an HDMI ready TV.
Anyone to whom Used Games are important.
Um... Microsoft, you do realize the reason the Wii won the last generation was because EVERYONE wanted and could get one, right?
It just confirms what I've already said (and Jim Sterling said it too), the Demographic for the Xbone is upper-middle and upper class families. Not gamers.
Sure they might be able to afford that too. But really, why go with a Sony HDTV? You are pointing at the high end TV market when a person can most likely get an off brand HDTV and end up paying 100 less or and it will still work just as good as the Sony.CardinalPiggles said:
Heck, when I got my 32 inch Insignia HDTV a little over three years ago, I payed 400 dollars then. That was only a month after my dad got a 32 inch Sony, and I would say he got robbed because he paid close to 600, because as I said my cheaper TV works just as good. Plus, my Insignia has gone through it's paces because it doesn't just get used as a TV for console gaming and watching cable, I also use it as my main PC monitor.
It really isn't. As people in this thread have been pointing out the statistics, at least in the US, only 30% haven't moved to HD. That means Microsoft has 70% of the country to potentially have as customers. Yeah, maybe not a lot of people in the rest of the world has moved on to HD like most of the US, but the thing is that the US is the vast majority of Microsoft's market share for their consoles.Adam Jensen said:
Really, if they let this new console have SD support, they would be giving people just a short lived crutch to stand in the way of progress. Not supporting SD will end up boosting the sale of HDTVs because there will be people that will not stand missing out, and that will end up making the SD percentage even smaller.
I would say if those people you are talking about that don't see a need to upgrade, don't within the next three to four years, they will be left out in the cold in the entertainment department.
People can cry rich and privileged all they want, but it means nothing, because such things have never been a thing for the masses. They are luxuries and that point can't be argued. And as with luxuries, if people want them, they have to make the decision to save and buy them.
Where you and Jim see rich and privilege, I see people that are of a group that think that they should be able to have it all and have to pay hardly anything. People need to learn to live within their means, if they can't afford it, they can't afford it. They have to do like everybody else in the same situation that know how to live in such a way, wait until you've saved to buy it.
Grey is the one who actually coined the name. So technically, he's the leader of the group.thethird0611 said: