Xbox One Won't Support SDTVs

[Rack]

A 40" LEDTV from a decent brand is going to cost about half as much as the Xbox1. If you aren't gaming on an HDTV at all it's going to be a way bigger improvement than any next gen console will be. Pick one of those up then buy a console when it gets cheaper. If you already aren't planning to buy the 360 or PS4 for a couple of years odds are HDTVs are going to get even cheaper.

 

[elvor0]

In (surprisingly)before the smarmy fucker who says "People still have SDTVs? How cute!" like it's a grammarphone and they're hot shit.

On topic, *headdesk*, I mean I can't stand playing on a non HDTV because I'm so used to it, but this is ridiculous, a huge amount of people still have SDTVs, and most people ain't made of money. They're already having to fork over £400 or whatever the xbone is going to cost, and getting a decent HD TV is just going to make it even more prohibitive. No second hand games and now this, keep digging that hole microsoft.

 

[SpAc3man]

I actually think the last poll found that nearly 30-40% of TV owners still owned SD TVs as their primary television... so that seems like a lot of the market they'll still miss out on.

I would like to point out that the proportion of that 30-40% with SD TVs as their primary TV that would actually consider getting the Xbone in the first place would be very small. They aren't the target market so Microsoft isn't losing anywhere near 30-40% of potential customers.

 

[The White Hunter]

Well, as someone with ZERO HD TVs in my household, because they're all 90's era, big screen SD ones, this is certainly unfriendly news.

I actually think the last poll found that nearly 30-40% of TV owners still owned SD TVs as their primary television... so that seems like a lot of the market they'll still miss out on.

No shit. Couple this with the fact that they are screwing the used games portion AND the fact that you have to be online? They are seriously limiting their profits.

Also, I am so sorry for not being Rich, Microsoft. It isn't like I am trying to pay for College, Bills, and a one year study-abroad trip next year. Not to mention that there are probably many others worse off than I am.

Ugh, more and more info from this seriously pisses me off.

I really do think there's a guy in Sony's marketing department scratching his head over this one.

Honestly millions of idiots are gonna buy the thing anyway, but since millions of people are smarter consumers (even my dad researches stuff online) I don't see it being dominant if Sony's machine is friendly to the end consumer, and at the moment it looks a lot like it is.

 

[Belzera]

I actually think the last poll found that nearly 30-40% of TV owners still owned SD TVs as their primary television... so that seems like a lot of the market they'll still miss out on.

I would like to point out that the proportion of that 30-40% with SD TVs as their primary TV that would actually consider getting the Xbone in the first place would be very small. They aren't the target market so Microsoft isn't losing anywhere near 30-40% of potential customers.

So 30%-40% of Americans don't have HDTV's in an old poll. Okay yes not all of them would buy an Xbone but what about the rest of the world, they aren't making this console only to sell in America, but to sell on a global market I would be surprised if over half of the gamers worldwide currently use HDTV's

Heh Captcha was 'I like humans'

 

[SpAc3man]

So 30%-40% of Americans don't have HDTV's in an old poll. Okay yes not all of them would buy an Xbone but what about the rest of the world, they aren't making this console only to sell in America, but to sell on a global market I would be surprised if over half of the gamers worldwide currently use HDTV's

Heh Captcha was 'I like humans'

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the developed country with the highest proportion of SDTVs was in fact the USA.

I hardly know anyone who doesn't have at least one HDTV. My grandparents even have two, my four friends who are living in a crappy flat have a 55" plasma. All living in remote New Zealand.

The only people I know that don't have an HDTV would never in their life buy a games console even if it cost them pocket change.

 

[OldNewNewOld]

MS is trying really hard to alienate most nonUS countries.
The TV service is US only, Xbox Live is not available in many countries which have a better net connection than the US, now the lack of SD TV support (there are many countries where HD still didn't break trough and take a bigger chunk of the market).

It's like MS really hates money.

 

[SpAc3man]

MS is trying really hard to alienate most nonUS countries.
The TV service is US only, Xbox Live is not available in many countries which have a better net connection than the US, now the lack of SD TV support (there are many countries where HD still didn't break trough and take a bigger chunk of the market).

It's like MS really hates money.

That is a bit of an exaguration
Xbox live is available in all developed countries along with a lot of developing countries.
Countries with Xbox Live:

Spoiler

 

[OldNewNewOld]

MS is trying really hard to alienate most nonUS countries.
The TV service is US only, Xbox Live is not available in many countries which have a better net connection than the US, now the lack of SD TV support (there are many countries where HD still didn't break trough and take a bigger chunk of the market).

It's like MS really hates money.

That is a bit of an exaguration
Xbox live is available in all developed countries along with a lot of developing countries.
Countries with Xbox Live:

Spoiler

Whole Easy Europe isn't included while we have better internet than the US most of the times.
Part of North Africa is pretty developed no matter what the US news wants to tell you.
China and Korea as well and they have a rather nice internet connection.

There is no reason why they wouldn't allow so many countries to use their online service.

 

[loc978]

To most of you this won't be a big deal. In fact, it'll probably be seen as a long-overdue step forward. If you can afford a device likely to cost somewhere in the $400-$500 range, you can probably afford to put out $200 for a television that wasn't around during the Nixon administration.

I'll have you know I bought my old $50 CRT with its three A/V and single coaxial inputs during the Clinton administration... and it runs everything from my 2600 to my PS2 still. Screw these newfangled consoles that people hook up to TVs that cost more than a decent gaming PC build (seriously, from what I've seen of modern TVs, $800 is cheap. Most people I've seen buy 'em go for the $1300+ bigscreens with incredibly slow streaming internet features. Didn't even know you could get a TV for under $500 anymore).

Ah, who am I kidding? I wouldn't buy hardware put out by microsoft even if I did own the right TV for it.

 

[blackrave]

Well, it makes sense that xbone won't support the relics of the past, since xbone is the tech of the future
Every old feature xbone won't use means Microsoft will be able make xbone cheaper
And if xbone can be cheaper more people will be able to buy xbone
And being able to buy xbone is a proof that you can buy also some HDTV to be used with xbone
So a smart choice for MS

P.S. I really like to say/write xbone. I pronounce it as x-bone.
P.P.S. xbonexbonexbonexbonexbonexbonexbonexbonexbonexbonexbonexbonexbonexbonexbonexbonexbonexbonexbonexbone

 

[MrBenSampson]

I have 3 HD TVs, and this still sounds like a bad idea to me. It's like they're doing everything they can to eliminate potential customers.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

I can see how this might be a hassle for some, but for those of you who own PC's, check your monitor for an Audio-out. A pair of headphones or existing speakers on 3.5m jack and an HDMI cable, and you're away.

Hell, if you have to pick, just get a decent screen for your PC and hook up the X1 to it, and then all those TV features they've been bleating about suddenly become relevant. Imperfect, but doable if the TV's are too expensive where you live.

 

[bartholen_v1legacy]

Just keep bringing them in.. This train-wreck is getting funnier and funnier to watch.

Indeed. I've never given two craps about this before, but the shitstorm is already so massive it's nearly unbelievable. And even less believable is how Microsoft seems to plumb all new depths of the pile of shit they've gotten themselves into with every new announcement they come out with. I think this video --->


pretty much sums up Microsoft's situation now.

 

[Strazdas]

Oh. Well, shit.
I still use an SDTV because it works and I don't replace things until they stop working.
Not that I was planning on getting an Xbone anyway. Have you seen how crap those things are?

my 15 year old Pentium 1 100mhz 8mb SDR (not evne DDR1) ram 1.2GB HDD still works like it did when it was new. should i still be using it isntead of getting a new PC even if it cant do anything in modern world? because thats basically your argument.

Just recently my dad upgraded to an HDTV, and to test it out we hooked my 360 up to it via HDMI just to see how "pretty" my games would look on it. Turns out 360 games look like absolute shit on it. The only upside was that I no longer had to squint to read in game text, but the picture quality was highly pixelated, compared to my SDTV which the picture quality was crystal clear but text is a headache to read (literally).

thats becasue Xbox 360 runs crappy graphics on crappy resolutions. it was made for SD and it cannot run HD. Xbone was made for HD and woudl be stupid to run on SD. if i take a image that i took with my phone and print it on a 5 meters long paper it will still be pixelated as shit, but if i take a professional camera and print it on a 5 cm piece of paper it wont look good either. each apparatus should use its own visual device.

Two things come to mind immediately:
a) It's called standard definition for a reason.
b) CRTs are known for supporting gigantic resolutions of up to 3 times their standard. This can only be achieved at very low refresh rates.

a) it was standard definition 15 years ago.
Now it is SD - Small definition. Vinyl was standart too, but you wouldtn say that CD should not be used.
CRTs are dead. deal with it. They could run high resolutions or high refresh rates. frankly i took refresh rate over resolution and spared my eyes. however CRT not applicable in current world. and yes some peopel still do have them, i have one, wouldnt evne dream of trying to game on that though.

im sorry in a time of low economic growth in quite a few western countries people dont have the money to get HDTVs. but that poll is about people using their primary TVs, like the ones in their living rooms where the family sits around and watches tv
but think about the tvs in the kids rooms where a console will likely end up
if i may use experience from quite a few of my friends (yes i know anecdotal evidence isnt great but i imagine its fairly common) lets say the TV in your living room is HD as expected and youv likely got plugged in their you TV box (sky or virgin media for example) then you dvd player and quite likely a Wii.
now as money is tight for a lot of people these days chances are this is an older HD TV and can probably only suppoer these three things plugged into the back. so you buy your kids a tv for their room(s) to play their xbox or playstation but dont have the money for an HD so you get them an SD..... you are seeing the problem here right?

and while i do agree its much better for people just to upgrade to HD, but for quite a few people this isnt an option yet and likely wont be able to save for TV upgrades and a new console at the same time.

If they do not have money to get HDTV they do not have moeny to get Xbone and wont buy it, so they wont need HDTV to begin with.
If you "buy kids a tv" then you buy a HD one. anyone that buys a SDTV in 2013 is a lunatic. Well that or a collector and is not going to use it to watch stuff.

On topic, *headdesk*, I mean I can't stand playing on a non HDTV because I'm so used to it, but this is ridiculous, a huge amount of people still have SDTVs, and most people ain't made of money. They're already having to fork over £400 or whatever the xbone is going to cost, and getting a decent HD TV is just going to make it even more prohibitive. No second hand games and now this, keep digging that hole microsoft.

Oh, did you meant a small minority of people that still use SDTVs as per 2011 (2 years old) reports? if they are not having to fork 400 dollars. nooone is forcing them. if they chose to buy a console at launch which is always very expensive then they obviuosly have more money than an average person to begin with. and if they are going to spend thier life savings on this one thing they need a serious check of priorities.

So 30%-40% of Americans don't have HDTV's in an old poll. Okay yes not all of them would buy an Xbone but what about the rest of the world, they aren't making this console only to sell in America, but to sell on a global market I would be surprised if over half of the gamers worldwide currently use HDTV's

Heh Captcha was 'I like humans'

What about the rest of the world? the rest of teh world has HDTVs too you know. i live in Lithuania, a ex-soviet country, our monthly pay is around 400 dollars per month, so nowhere to compare to american earning. we are considered a 2nd world country. i dont remember the last time i saw SDTV as a primary tv in anyones house. everyone uses HDTV now, even the elderly got them. yes there are those secondary tvs that are in kitchen to watch while making food and such, but your not gaming on those are you.
Not to mention that USA is considered the biggest gaming market in the world, which makes your point a bit less useful.
also hail capcha. It knows us better than ourselves.

Okay, I understand no composite. I understand no S-video. But no component? That's just...odd especially when component does 720p without any issues.

Also just another showing that Microsoft and I'm going to guess Sony are just finally utilizing their weight to force video game consoles to be on the edge of technology to which video game consoles were always behind the technology curve until the 360 and PS3.

No 720p. 1080p is HDTV and thats the minimum this console will require.

there are many countries where HD still didn't break trough and take a bigger chunk of the market

like.... africa?

That is a bit of an exaguration
Xbox live is available in all developed countries along with a lot of developing countries.
Countries with Xbox Live:

Spoiler

notice how thats not available in ex-soviet countries.... even though we have one of the best internet in the world....

 

[sg100]

Spoiler

That's a lot of potential customers to alienate, especially as they want to appeal to a more mainstream market.

 

[The Grim Ace]

I was already convinced the Xbone didn't want my business but, seeing how I don't play my 360 on a tv and it's more convenient to use the RCA port on my monitor, this is just another deal breaker.

 

[Froggy Slayer]

The Xbone, to use its not-quite official name

Oh no, didn't you hear, Grey? You're not allowed to use nicknames; here's a sheet given out by Microsoft showing what you're allowed to call it.

 

[wulfy42]

While I do have 3 large HDTVs in my house, which is what I use for my PS3 and current xbox 360, I keep one large SDTV around for light gun games on my ps2 (My wife loves Elemental Gear Bolt). I have, on occasion, tried various current gen games on the SDTV and ....it's almost unplayable already. Honestly don't see why anyone would bother buying a next gen system without a HDTV at this point anyway. If you wait for a deal, you can probably get a 720 HDTV for like $100-$200 max at this point.

I've heard quite a few negative things already about the Xbox 1, but this is certainly not one of them.

 

[Matthi205]

A 40" LEDTV from a decent brand is going to cost about half as much as the Xbox1. If you aren't gaming on an HDTV at all it's going to be a way bigger improvement than any next gen console will be. Pick one of those up then buy a console when it gets cheaper. If you already aren't planning to buy the 360 or PS4 for a couple of years odds are HDTVs are going to get even cheaper.

You surely mean second hand. I recently bought a 32" 1366x768 TV (that's HD for you). It cost me 240 euros, and it's made by SANG (who don't even have an english website). Any decent 40" TV would've been about 3 times as much.

Two things come to mind immediately:
a) It's called standard definition for a reason.
b) CRTs are known for supporting gigantic resolutions of up to 3 times their standard. This can only be achieved at very low refresh rates.

A. Because it was what was standard 15 years ago?

The vast majority of people in the US have hdtv. The people who have 480p and below are now a minority that just keeps shrinking.

B. Yes you can. But the pixels are just more spread out. you aren't getting a higher resolution, but rather an upscaled one.

Take a picture and stretch the shit out of it and you have a new resolution that was scaled from the old one. The overall resolution is larger, but the core resolution the image is based on didn't change.

A) It's not always about the US. There are people living elsewhere too. Shocking, no? Around here, most people don't own anything except maybe one SDTV.

CRTs on the decline? Maybe. But I've got a 16-year old CRT that still works, and a 23-year old CRT TV that still works. I've also got an early 2000s LCD screen that doesn't work anymore. I prefer CRTs, and finding one (an Eizo for example) is a lot easier and cheaper than finding a decent LCD that doesn't pull double duty as a mirror.