Xbox One's Reputation System Locks Harassers Into Their Own Hell

[Olas]

it might work a bit better if there was an automated review of what has been said ingame.

say you get 3 or 4 downvotes in a game after whatever arbitrary level they choose. once that is passed all your chat logs for said game are downloaded and a voice recognition is run for key words. if you been quiet all game or not said anything bad or insulting then noting happens if you are doing the normall round of "noob" and you "mums so fat" jokes then the downvote stands.

People would just find ways to circumvent it, they'd invent or modify new versions of curse words that it wouldn't recognize, or speak in an accent it can't understand, or something. Douchebaggery will find a way.

Plus, using swear words isn't the same as being offensive. You can be offensive without saying any naughty words and vice versa you can curse in a non-offensive manner.

It would take a pretty advanced AI to tell when someone is trying to be offensive and when they're just complaining about the game or being sarcastic.

 

[Lightknight]

Better muting services would be best. My favorite feature of blackops 2? A mute lobby button. What I'd also like is a mute everyone in the game by default option.

 

[CaptainThom]

Wow i don't understand how the developers cant see how this can and will be manipulated. To be honest im not overly fond of any matchmaking system id much prefer dedicated servers.

 

[weirdee]

I guess the other advantage of having Big Brother around is that nobody can log into your account and sabotage it unless they're your evil twin or something...

 

[CardinalPiggles]

When I used to play CoD4 so much my rep went to about 73% downvotes for "Unsporting behavior".

In fact, this is exactly what the Xbox 360 has isn't it? So they're basically improving the reputation system.

 

[bjj hero]

After playing Mass Effect 3 MP, My Xbox reputation tanked, despite the fact that I didn't even own a mic. This idea will see much abuse. It feels like Microsoft screwed up....again.

You'd get a negative from me. Why would I want to play a team based game with team members who dont talk? How do you strategise? When you get a good team thats mic'd up on ME3 its a great experience.

This idea is good and could be expanded. You could dump everyone who doesnt talk together and group up those who talk and play as a team. May make competative games a bit one sided though.

 

[Alorxico]

Except assholes are assholes and will happily abuse the system to Reputation down all the non-assholes too, just so they can continue to be assholes to them.

Especially since they do like to work in packs on the 360, like Hyenas. Means they can ruin your rep allot easier than your one vote against them.

My fiance said the same thing after I read the report to him.

The only way for this system to work the way Microsoft wants it to work, is if the multi-player is monitored round the clock with a system that tracks what vulgar words, phrases or actions are being said or done by which players and than IT determines the player's scores.

 

[KoudelkaMorgan]

I'm frankly shocked so many regard this as a good idea, whether they think it will likely work or not.

When I hear words like "we should be able to identify these individuals and herd them together" (paraphrasing) I don't get warm fuzzys.

I see people's free speech being ever so lightly censored so that they can only associate with "like minded individuals." While the good little boys and girls get to play in blissful ignorance, free of these colorful people.

Until they themselves trespass on what is then "acceptable" and find themselves lumped in with the rest of them. Are they going to segregate this group into smaller groups? Or will they put people that curse too much in with people that just behave questionably a few too many times? Will the trash talkers be in with the genuine bigoted, hate filled "I will go to your house murder and then rape you in that order" (and they mean it) people?

I really don't want to cheapen actual historical events by drawing parallels to them, but there is a shallow comparison to be made when a broad oversweeping authority (Microsoft) seeks to round up a herd of "undesirables" and concentrate them away from the normies.

Is it better in this instance that these individuals are almost universally regarded by "upstanding" players as complete asshats and ruiners of good times, and that they obviously aren't going to be punished physically for their behavior?

That in this case its more like rounding up criminals and placing them all in jail, away from civilians, than innocent people rounded up and so on?

Do we really think that its acceptable to have videogame police, rather than just banning people for violating the TOS?

Do we want to PAY multiple layers of charges a month just for the privilege of being assured that you won't deal with jerks? And what of the so called jerks that already paid good money for all the same services, do they have no recourse once they are "jailed" by the Bureau of Online Decency?

Why in the hell would they even bother buying Microsoft products, that are already WAY more costly than the alternatives, and be subjected to yet another one of Microsoft's (allegedly) syphilis-induced demented business ideas?

Why are so many of you applauding this proposal with only minor reservations upon its efficacy?

If you have such an issue of dealing with REAL people, and how they behave online that you would be willing to sign over your right to free speech and pay money to play in a bubble of PG goodness, then I guess this IS for you.

TLR Rabble! Rabble! Soylent Green is PEOPLE! DOOOOOOOM!

 

[Ryan Minns]

Is the ignore feature on consoles hard to use? Serious question because the only online play I do is on PC and muting/ignoring idiots can be done with the flick of my pinky most of the time?

 

[Cid Silverwing]

Except assholes are assholes and will happily abuse the system to Reputation down all the non-assholes too, just so they can continue to be assholes to them.

Especially since they do like to work in packs on the 360, like Hyenas. Means they can ruin your rep allot easier than your one vote against them.

This.

There is literally no keeping the assholes out. Short of some kind of thought police, we have no way to fight them.

 

[DragonStorm247]

Is this going to be one of those systems where arseholes can gang up on people and mass report/downvote/whatever them into oblivion, with next to no oversight? It is, isn't it...

Now, the idea behind it is quite good, let all the "good" players play, and force all the "bad" players into griefer hell. But who decideds a "good" player and a "bad" player? Cause if its the community, than... pfff... What you said...

No ... its the NSA ...

[HEADING=3]it all makes sense now.[/HEADING]

 

[Something Amyss]

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It's non-automated, so it can't be abused from the player-end. It's based on "offenses", so it's reviewed by a moderator.

There's a terrible plague circulating these forums, and its main symptom is "inability to read the OP". Keep yourself safe, folks: Don't just skim the first post before offering your stance.

From the look of the OP, "not automatic" simply means that a bad review doesn't mean it's moderated but rather that one or two reports won't do anything. Context.

Even the original article makes it look like it's an automated system that simply won't tank you for any one instance. and even then, it implies exceptions.

 

[Something Amyss]

Is the ignore feature on consoles hard to use? Serious question because the only online play I do is on PC and muting/ignoring idiots can be done with the flick of my pinky most of the time?

I've been in games with the same guy I set to avoid on XBL like 8 times. This is just one person.

It's not a question of "hard to use," it's a question of "does it work?"

I end up in games with people on my avoid list more than people on my prefer list.

Muting is pretty easy, though. Still, if you're up with team-killing asshats, your recourses may be limited.

 

[Kobra581]

Am I the only one who thinks they should have already addressed this issue on the Xbox360? I mean they have a reputation system so if not to keep the filth away what was the point of it?

 

[KoudelkaMorgan]

I wasn't aware the 360 had a rep system, having never come in contact with one. The only time I ever used my black list on PSN was for this one guy whose ass I kicked repeatedly in TF2, which felt the need to private message me repeatedly calling me a scrub etc. etc.

Because HE liked to hide in his teams base shitting himself, and I happened to on more than one occasion bust in with my flamethrower and help evolution take its course. I have never considered ANY trash talking or messaging of any sort, including congratulatory, and I wasn't even singling him out or anything. So I really don't know the thought process involved in getting killed repeatedly, by me (and I'm nothing godlike at TF2), and then take the time to spam my inbox telling me how much *I* suck at the game.

He was the only name on the block list for years, and eventually I deleted it due to the fact that I hadn't played TF2 in about the same amount of time.

So that was a long winded anecdote in support of the block list already in existence. I support any system that allows for humans to choose what they want to put up with instead of a machine automatically choosing for us in these situations.

 

[Malty Milk Whistle]

I've got a bad feeling about this, it's a good idea, yet, Y'know. People are gonna abuse it to fuck and back.
Example, someone gives one of those LPers grief, their fans will pretty much fuck over anyone their master points at.

 

[Strazdas]

micorsoft is hardly the first. i saw such system done elsewhere. the result was that some crappy "joke picture" guy would be at the top of repulation pyramid and anyone that dared to argue with anyone woudl end up on the bottom due to "ill register 10 accounts and downvote you every day for a month" people. this will never work.

Thankfully the system isn't automated, to get pushed into low-rep-land you still have to attract the attention of a mod.

so that means that either
a) micorsoft will have to hire an army of mods and whip them into behavingm, because you know its not like microsoft is gonig to pay them or anything
b) nothing will ever get done to anyone.

What they just need is a system that plays back your voice in your headphones so you can hear how annoying you sound

i dont want to hear a thunderstrike every time i speak

it might work a bit better if there was an automated review of what has been said ingame.

say you get 3 or 4 downvotes in a game after whatever arbitrary level they choose. once that is passed all your chat logs for said game are downloaded and a voice recognition is run for key words. if you been quiet all game or not said anything bad or insulting then noting happens if you are doing the normall round of "noob" and you "mums so fat" jokes then the downvote stands.

runescape had an automated censoring system you could not turn off. result - people changed the words ever so slightly to trick the system and any attemts to expand the dictionary resulted in utter failure to police speech. of course talking its a bit harder to insert I isntead of l and such, but the point remains.
beside, how about mistranslations? i remmeber when i spent an hour trying to tell my voice recognition software to sell "TNT" it kept spelling "Tea and tea".

 

[Something Amyss]

So that was a long winded anecdote in support of the block list already in existence. I support any system that allows for humans to choose what they want to put up with instead of a machine automatically choosing for us in these situations.

Unfortunately, Microsoft doesn't have such a system in place. The rep system is a joke and doesn't allow you to actually block someone. Right now, MS has the worst of both worlds.

 

[KoudelkaMorgan]

Hmm, that does kind of make their new proposed idea quite a bit more progressive than I had earlier thought. I assumed they already had an ignore message/mute system in place like PSN.

So yeah, baby steps.