To be honest, I believe we are talking about different things. Harrassment happens against both sides and it is great that you condem it when it happens and I'd like the media to report on harrassment when it happens to people on the GG side.redlemon said:snip
But this is not the behavior I mean, when I talk about behaviors that hurt GamerGates reputation.
I mean the condescending attitude of "if you don't agree with us, then you haven't done your research" that seems to be behind a large number of arguments. And yes, even if I haven't done the research myself, when somebody says "because of x,y,z I belive w" and the response the person recieves is "ah, but if you had done your research, you knew the answer is l", it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I don't deny that the answer could actually be "l", but it looks like the replier dismisses everything the first person said, because they formed a different opinion.
This also strengthens the impressions that many GG supporter have a "if you're not with us, then you are against us" attitude. Which I also don't find very appealing. I'm not saying that every or even most GG supporter acts that way, but enough people do it so I'd feel like I'm supporting this attitude if I argue pro-GG.
I have to apologize, when you posted those quotes, I thought you wanted to show that the media uses lies, misrepresantions etc. as well, not show me where they lied.
And you are right, these kind of defaming blanket statements are wrong and should be called out as such. But those kind of "big" lies are relatively easy to spot, its the "small" lies that harm the legitimacy of the GG when they are found out. And with "lies" I mean outright lies (claiming someone did/said something when it didn't happen), cherry picking and quoting out of context, deliberatley misunderstanding and misquoting someone.
We had it here, when a "could" became a "must", we had it with that developer who wondered what the big deal was, when nobody had a problem when a friend of his reviewed content he himself worked on, and it became "developer boasts about using his friendship to get better scores".
These are the things that I believe damage GG reputation for those that are interested in the topic and would normally support you in your stated goals.
When you can't trust the media to talk about its own corruption, because the only time they talk about it is to defame those demaning investigations and you can't trust those arguing for improved journalistic ethics, because they have shown themself to use lies to strengthen their position, what are you supposed to do?