You don't have to be afraid of taking a public stance against #GamerGate.

[The Lunatic]

This is the greatest irony of GamerGate.

Attempting to control editorial stance via advertising cashflow is a direct breach of journalistic ethics!.

The only effect GamerGate has sought to have so far is to break down ethics in videogame journalism by enabling advertisers to control the editorial voice.

I believe the goal of these emails has been to inform advertisers what sites are doing under their banner.

If the advertisers don't like what's happening, such as bullying, it is their choice to pull the advertisements.

It's not really about control, more about informing. The people who makes these decisions are intelligent people, they can make the choice for themselves as to if they want to have their company represented by these websites.

 

[Deadcyde]

Well i'd believe that if there wasn't as much harassment, group think and targeted attacks.

That "anti-GG" is a movement in its own right?

Could you enlighten me on my question; does one have to identify themselves with it to be a part of it, or does it include anybody who's critical of GamerGate or its supporters?

We're going to argue the semantics of organization now? Okay, there is a bunch of people -actively working together to undermine gamergate-. There are as many forum dedicated to anti GG as there are GG

An organization or organisation is an entity, such as an institution or an association, that has a collective goal and is linked to an external environment.

 

[GloatingSwine]

I believe the goal of these emails has been to inform advertisers what sites are doing under their banner.

If the advertisers don't like what's happening, such as bullying, it is their choice to pull the advertisements.

It's not really about control, more about informing. The people who makes these decisions are intelligent people, they can make the choice for themselves as to if they want to have their company represented by these websites.

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better, but the effect is making the advertiser withdrawing support for a site over editorial positions a more widespread and accepted practise.

Y'know, the thing that got Jeff Gerstmann fired.

The biggest cancer in all of videogame journalism.

GamerGate is enthusiastically making it happen.

Good job!

 

[Irick]

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better, but the effect is making the advertiser withdrawing support for a site over editorial positions a more widespread and accepted practise.

Y'know, the thing that got Jeff Gerstmann fired.

The biggest cancer in all of videogame journalism.

GamerGate is enthusiastically making it happen.

Good job!

You are equating asking an advertiser to pull adds because of their lead editor promoting bullying and hate to someone being fired for not towing the party line with their reviews and instead going for an honest recount of their experience?

I'm sorry, but that doesn't follow.

 

[GloatingSwine]

You are equating asking an advertiser to pull adds because of their lead editor promoting bullying and hate to someone being fired for not towing the party line with their reviews and instead going for an honest recount of their experience?

I'm sorry, but that doesn't follow.

Except it's also happening to Polygon over their Bayonetta 2 review, an open campaign to have Nintendo reduce their press feed to Polygon over a review score. (Oh wait....)

And even if it weren't, the effect is still the same, the power balance shifts towards advertisers of all stripes no matter what the intentions.

 

[Silvanus]

We're going to argue the semantics of organization now? Okay, there is a bunch of people -actively working together to undermine gamergate-. There are as many forum dedicated to anti GG as there are GG

An organization or organisation is an entity, such as an institution or an association, that has a collective goal and is linked to an external environment.

Uhrm, no, we're not going to argue that. The facetiousness isn't necessary, or helpful, and nor does it actually address what I asked.

Somebody is a "GamerGater" if they identify themselves as a supporter, but I'm not sure whether the same criteria are being applied to "Anti-GG". It's a genuine question.

...and guess which networks consider themselves in direct competition with Wu's choice of MSNBC? With far bigger ratings and a constant desire to show MSNBC as terrible excuses for reporters? Which means vindicating GamerGate as far as humanly possible, in order to cause the most damage to their rival?

Yeah, you can thank Wu for forcing this particular hand. Problem was, she bet the farm on a pair of threes.

I'm not savvy on American media outlets. Are you talking about Fox?

 

[The Lunatic]

Except it's also happening to Polygon over their Bayonetta 2 review, an open campaign to have Nintendo reduce their press feed to Polygon over a review score. (Oh wait....)

And even if it weren't, the effect is still the same, the power balance shifts towards advertisers of all stripes no matter what the intentions.

You're really struggling to grasp how leaderless grass roots movements work, aren't you?

 

[GloatingSwine]

Well apparently if they're like GamerGate they work in direct opposition to their stated goals...

It's almost as if the stated goals are complete bullshit and no-one involved is actually interested in the thing the movement is claimed to be interested in.

 

[Irick]

Except it's also happening to Polygon over their Bayonetta 2 review, an open campaign to have Nintendo reduce their press feed to Polygon over a review score. (Oh wait....)

And even if it weren't, the effect is still the same, the power balance shifts towards advertisers of all stripes no matter what the intentions.

Has Nintendo done this?
Because yeah, I disagree with threatening to pull over reviews, but I also disagree with just about everything to do with reviews right now.

But, until action is actually taken over it, i'm willing to dismiss it as a detractor from actual dialog. It's not right to pull advertisement over review, but that is kind of pressure is something that you frankly have to deal with as a journalist. In the situation of mister Jeff Gerstmann that is exactly what happened. He has a green staff that were not ready for dealing with the pressure from their advertisers, so they buckled.

Part of journalistic ethics is not buckling under these sort of pressures and standing by your word.

 

[Deadcyde]

Except it's also happening to Polygon over their Bayonetta 2 review, an open campaign to have Nintendo reduce their press feed to Polygon over a review score. (Oh wait....)

And even if it weren't, the effect is still the same, the power balance shifts towards advertisers of all stripes no matter what the intentions.

Has Nintendo done this?
Because yeah, I disagree with threatening to pull over reviews, but I also disagree with just about everything to do with reviews right now.

But, until action is actually taken over it, i'm willing to dismiss it as a detractor from actual dialog. It's not right to pull advertisement over review, but that is kind of pressure is something that you frankly have to deal with as a journalist. In the situation of mister Jeff Gerstmann that is exactly what happened. He has a green staff that were not ready for dealing with the pressure from their advertisers, so they buckled.

Part of journalistic ethics is not buckling under these sort of pressures and standing by your word.

Have you seen the reviews though? They're attacking bayonetta over sexism, barely reviewing the game. Why on earth would you allow someone to basically smear you and ignore any artistic ideal or even the word of the developers themselves simply to attack nintendo?

They want to write opinion pieces in that manner?.. fine, but if i were Nintendo? I'd distance myself from that publicity too.