Aka Corporal Yakob
- Dec 5, 2013
I'm not, that's me paraphrasing some of the hyperbolic responses in this thread, though I apologise if I was unclear. And I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the existence of a geek culture: culture isn't simply "a way of life", it's a gestation of ideas, beliefs and activities into a recognizable and relatively cohesive social force. That we are discussing video games in relation to how they supposedly influence people to act online, instead of merely swapping cheat codes, is testament to that fact. As I said in my first reply, I'm not arguing that geek culture means, or should mean the total submission of all other aspects of one's identity to gaming, or comics or whatever, though there are certainly people obsessive enough to do that. What I am arguing, is that the sheer viciousness of the negative responses in this thread seem very overblown for a situation that ultimately isn't that bad. Before you counter, no I am not saying there is nothing wrong with geek culture or because others are worse, nothing needs to be improved. Far from it - but I think people are fixating far too much on the worst aspects. I mean, I've encountered twats, but I've also made some of the strongest friendships in my life through geek interests.erttheking said:Uh, you're calling for no hyperbole in the same sentence that you say that people are calling geek culture unholy. Which they are not. You're sending mixed messages. More like the idea of it. Let's be frank, this is all blown out of proportion. Geek culture? Culture? A culture is a way of life. Are we really saying that our entire lives are dedicated to these things? I just...no. I love gaming, but it isn't a way of freaking life. And the arrogance and dick heads that come with it...oh my.Dragonlayer said:Snip
Yes there are plenty echo chambers on the internet, but like I said before, geek "culture' primarily exists online. Yes other echo chambers exist, but with geek "Culture" they make up the very core of it. Uh, we've avoid managing to become hostile in this thread? A moderator said some less than pleasant things about geek "culture" and got several downright outraged and not exactly friendly replies. And the Overwatch beta thread isn't hotile? Well that's a small miracle, we finally have an Overwatch thread that isn't about censorship and SJWs. That's got to be the first in a year. Yes I'll admit it isn't always hostile, but I have to say it feels like the core of it is. "Absolute worse-" Did I say that?
Yeah the general rule of thumb is that the Escapist is considered one of the better websites out there. Which makes me laugh bitterly. My time on the old Bungie forums turned very unpleasant very fast before I migrated here. Ok I'll make a concession. Meeting up with geeks off the net tends to be a fairly pleasant affair. The problem there is that, while idle conversations can easily happen, unless people make the effort to get to know other geeks better, which they can only reasonably do with a handful of people, the majority of the interaction of geek "culture" happens online. The debates, the arguments, the voting, the crowfunding. And all of that can be very bitter and makes me not want to call myself a geek or a gamer. We've come a long way? Yes we have. And we have a long way to go still.
I disagree, I'd say the facilitation of geek culture happens primarily online and is therefore subject to the unfortunate reality of anything primarily communicated across the internet: the twats take the focus, because someone shouting something objectionable is so much easier to spot than people getting along. And again, I disagree, just compare the posting in here to 4chan, Youtube or your average website with an open political slant. *Those* generate almost impenetrable echo chambers, and *those* express blatant hostility to anyone with a contrary opinion. People are expressing disagreement with Barbas - and rightly so I think - but they aren't telling him to fuck off and die. People are providing reasoning for their disagreements - regardless of whether their convincing or not - but they aren't sending death and rape threats to each other. I'll admit that things have been charged as of late, and that Overwatch has been a particularly noteworthy example of this, but I still feel that the site is better than that*, and that it's all too easy to concentrate on the controversy topics. As for the quote, you didn't say it but Barbas and Fox12 did, and is a prime example of the style of hyperbole I'm talking about.
Oh come now, it's easy enough to avoid the twattery of the Escapist, and while a certain amount of passive-aggressive irritation spills out anyway, I would not classify that as the disgusting vermin of geek culture this thread loathes so much. I'm not so well informed on other sites, but I used to be part of the Killzone forums and they weren't exceptionally awful for being geeky. Yes, operative word there being "can": geek culture can and does have venonmous elements that need to be told "Grow up or piss off", but geek culture as a whole is not the wretched hive of scum and villany many here say it is.
*Despite the snarky comments I've made to the contrary at certain times.