Zero Punctuation: Call of Duty: Black Ops 2

xdiesp

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The Limbo reference sent me shivers down the spine after a few moments of remembering it fully.
 

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ARCTIC_EAGLE said:
Wow, worst review EVER! Any professional review would give this game, the most amazing in history, a 90-100 or 4/5. Every single part of this game is new and interesting and amazing, you're inability to recognize that demonstrates how bad you are at reviewing. When COD:B03 comes out in 2 years you can correct you mistake by giving it a 90-100 like every other reviewer will. Be sure to do the same for COD:MW4, COD:MW5, COD:BO4, COD:MW6, etc. They will ALL be amazing and look amazing and just be more amazing then the amazingly amazing game that came before. In fact they'll be so amazing they'll amaze you into an amazement coma of amazement.
Can't tell if ironic or serious....

I honestly thought Blops one had a decent plot, but then again I'm a sucker for mental twists. I completely agree with the political side of this review but at the same time I feel sad because it just shows that even though other people are recognizing what's wrong, America is still not being fixed.
 

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Gasbandit said:
In this thread: Millenials discover white guilt and outrage after learning world history from Seth McFarlane.
Are you saying American Dad ISN'T a PBS Documentary?
 

1nfinite_Cros5

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xdiesp said:
The Limbo reference sent me shivers down the spine after a few moments of remembering it fully.
It was surprisingly well-executed for his point as well. Never thought he'd find a way to use it as an example.
 

Treblaine

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NameIsRobertPaulson said:
It is not baiting if it is 100% true. He wanted to know why non-Americans don't like the US. I explained why. No real issue with that, at least in my eyes.
You know how it's so obviously baiting... you decided to ignore ALL of your contradictions I pointed out relating to the thread to go on with this nonsense.

I'm non-american and I like America, in general. I like Morgan Freeman, I like Janeane Garofalo, I like John Stewart, I like George Carlin. I just don't like those nutters like Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh, and I like to see them lose and I'm glad to see they've been losing a lot recently. And I think a lot of people outside America feel that way.

But on topic, Yahtzee could have actually talked about the relevant parts of this game and so could you. But he didn't and you didn't. But the focus was on what most hardly gave a second thought.

Any impression of "white man good, brown man bad" left by the single-player is destroyed by a few rounds of multiplayer where you have to play literally on both sides. The multiplayer is a kind of meritocracy, it's not just the Americans who automatically get the robot super-weapons, anyone who is good enough at the game gets them. A zero consequence warzone, with no civilians and no friendly fire, not even possibility of an innocent setting off a landmine you have placed, death is merely an inconvenience.

There is SOMETHING to say about this... but choosing to say nothing, speaks volumes.
 

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Yes, Oliver North, this game is perfect for me! I've always wanted to play as the first world's prime repression drone! Stay off my bananas, filthy peasants!

Do I get to obliterate tiny grey specks that can't shoot back from a flying robot again, by any chance?

And Yatzhee, how DARE you disrespect our glorious U.S. Army?! Obviously, he utterly hates the United States, and wishes it and everyone in it to burn. Because critizising the glorious jobcreator and freedombringing warmachine is the same thing as being anti-everything the United States stands for.

(On second thought, I don't think I've got what it takes for sarcasm. I'll get me coat...)
 

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NAdducci said:
PainInTheAssInternet said:
NAdducci said:
Man I am getting tired of this shit... /long comment/
I've always had an issue with the notion that one cannot be criticized for liking something. If that object has unfortunate implications, low quality in innovation or especially troubling aspects in its online community, what does that say about the individual who chooses to enjoy it?

There is a definite link between what the game is and what the community is; look towards attitudes online if you want any proof of concept. Also, most of the online community is white because they are the ones buying consoles. Why do they do that? Because they have the money. It's not "white guilt," it's fact.

I'm a born-into-wealth white guy and I reject the notion that I am responsible for the past. I am, however, responsible for the present and the future. Don't use the fact that people point out our ancestor's actions as an excuse to disengage.
So crusades to "correct" those communities by bashing them fits into your "responsibility for the present and future"? Because that never has consequences.

You have a funny way of "not being responsible for the past" but still taking responsibility for it. I'll just tell you, it doesn't help and it won't ever be enough. Do good where you are, people will actually appreciate that.


This isn't an "opinions are sacred and you have no right be against mine" argument. You can say: I like the starwars prequels just fine, Michael Bay can be a good director, I don't like Christopher Nolans movies, Yahtzee isn't funny to me, yahtzee is very funny to me, you have bad taste, whatever.

Stick up for your preferences and pay to have them. That's fine. But you don't get the right to bully other people just because a bunch of people might agree with you. And you CERTAINLY don't get the moral high ground for it. Especially when your facts are wrong.

- Online community is pretty international these days, but still mostly male and western. It's just that way and that's fine. It'll change on it's own.
- just because people have money doesn't make them evil. Or their ancestors.
- Racism and nationalism is usually more pronounced just about everywhere except America. America is just the one getting the lions share of the scorn from Intellectual Elitists generally because they have the most means to do something about it.

And I'm engaging just fine. I want people be free to like what they want and have judgements of character be made by people who actually know them before they're punished for it. This "White guilt" nonsense is just the current bullshit that casts aspersions on trumped up charges that I'm not fond of.
If you doubt my comment about the XBox Live online community, identify yourself as anything but a white heterosexual male and see how people react. I didn't have any identification and all I heard every match was "homo" "******" "*****" "******" "get back in the kitchen" and many inventive combinations of the sort. It's practically what XBox Live is known for. You don't see anything problematic with that? I'm not advocating censorship as that benefits no one. Changing minds and attitudes is the way to go.

Also, if you don't believe there is an issue, look to the birther movement, the NY "Anti-Mosque" movement and the participants in Fox News.

I'm saying that the past is noted but ultimately irrelevant if we wish to move forward. Those in a position of power and/or resources has an obligation to help. That's humanism.
 

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NameIsRobertPaulson said:
Arren Kae said:
Yahtzee has imbibed
Absolving Whitey of all guilt? Check.
I'm sorry. I know i should feel guilty for things, that people who are not related to me with the same skin color as mine did on the other side of the planet centuries ago.
 

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Akalabeth said:
1. Most of the maps are terrible
2. The guns and killstreaks are still a lot of the same ole shit from the last games. Isn't this supposed to be future warfare? Why am I still using MP5s or MP7s or whatever. Same guns, same grenades, same whatever.
3. The lag compensation is still buggered and can basically ruin any match any time.
Well lag comp was fixed in MW3, and couldn't you give specifics on map problems? Like, what makes them terrible?

But anyway, as to weapons thing... this "future" is only 2025.

This may come as a shock but that is less than 12 years away you may very well be driving the same car today as you will be driving in 2025. Think about that. Dude, we're living in the future!

And FYI, the MP5 was first produced in 1964 and was used right the way through to the mid 2000's. And it doesn't appear in Black Ops 2's multiplayer, the MP7 does and that was first produced in 2001. So if it has the same life as MP5 then we can expect it being used till 2041!!

See, firearms technology moves slowly with stops and starts. The M1911 pistol for example has been in continuous service for OVER 100 YEARS! The same design. There is virtually no other technology that's still in use essentially unchanged after that time. Even the humble lightbulb has been usurped by the LED and even successors to the M1911 (like the TAC-45 in Blops 2 multiplayer) still use the same fundamental operating principal and identical ammunition.

Most of the weapons in COD4 were more than 12 years old. It should be no surprise that Black Ops 2 has many weapons that we have seen today.

All the advancements we are seeing with weapons technology are not with the fundamentals of guns. No. They are as deadly as they'll ever need to be till humans become more bear-like in their build, the advancements are in sighting and guidance systems, as you see in Black Ops 2.

No laser guns.
 

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Eh, all these games really start to run together. I'm not surprised to see a negative review from Yahtzee. I enjoy seeing reviews of the game based on it's merits as just a GAME, not just as the new Call of Duty game.

A lot of people seem to have forgotten that Yahtzee doesn't do multiplayer, which is truthfully a very small part of the game, even if that's all you do, so I don't see why people aren't surprised he didn't bother with it.
 

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Blachman201 said:
catalyst8 said:
'That?s makes 4 attacks that we know of so far related to blacks engaging in lynch mob mentality to attack whites because they feel "justified".'
http://thegraph.com/2012/04/another-white-man-critically-beaten-20-black-racist-thugs-assault-him-citing-justice-for-trayvon/
You can throw up all the cherrypicked right wing rag articles about "reverse racism" and "scary black people" you like. It isn't in any way comparable to institutionalized racism, still inherent in the Western system as it was build by the white man and by far and large still works in favor for him both on the small and large scale.

You are just using stuff like that an convenient excuse to ignore this fact (and doesn't it sort of imply you believe one wrong justifies another?)
You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that institutional racism is a white 'western' phenomenon. I can only conclude that you've never travelled to Asia (e.g. Malaysia, where I can assure you race riots are quite commonplace) or Africa (e.g. Ethiopia & Somalia). I've seen appalling racism in Dubai by Arabs against Africans where it really is institutional, & that goes back to the Arab slave trade (which the UN has admitted still exists).

You also misrepresent me, claiming that I believe 'one wrong justifies another' & that I condone racism, neither of which is true. If you want to believe that racism is a purely white 'western' problem & you refuse to educate yourself in the ways of the world then that's up to you, but please don't be so dishonest as to level unfounded slurs to support your knee-jerk reaction.

Racism is the prejudicial discrimination of individuals based on their ethnicity. Regardless of who perpetrates it it's an atrocity, & to claim that whites can be perpetrators but not victims of it is an appalling hypocrisy. Truly sickening.
 

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Okay, the gameplay can't have stayed the same and got worse at the same time. Modern Warfare 1 at the time was hailed as being a brilliant game with excellent gameplay. Blops 2 still basically has the same gameplay, but now it's suddenly shit?

Hey, I get that for some people it definitely gets boring, because the gameplay is the same on the most part, the only things that change are the maps, stories and characters, so I guess Blops 2 is basically MW with a different skin. Boring to some, but if you love the previous games it will keep it's enjoyment. CoD hasn't really gotten much better or much worse. It's the same.
 

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NameIsRobertPaulson said:
Perhaps I should clarify. The US has killed more enemy civilians than any country in the world. We claim we're killing "insurgents" and "terrorists" and whatever else the Pentagon calls them this week, but we end up killing way more innocent civilians than we do enemy combatants. Hitler and Stalin killed their own people, which is a large difference in this case.
So the London Blitz was nothing then? Eastern Europe was never moved westward and the mass exodus that followed never killed a million people? North Vietnam never exterminated South Vietnamese villages and started a genocide on the US allied Hmong? There were no genocides in the Balkans after Yugoslavia fell?

The only thing that is different when the US wages war is that their enemies can't touch their civilians, instead they attack their own.
 

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NameIsRobertPaulson said:
Perhaps I should clarify. The US has killed more enemy civilians than any country in the world. We claim we're killing "insurgents" and "terrorists" and whatever else the Pentagon calls them this week, but we end up killing way more innocent civilians than we do enemy combatants. Hitler and Stalin killed their own people, which is a large difference in this case.
"enemy civilians...
... innocent civilians"



Errm... that doesn't clarify anything at all.

Are they enemy or not? One second it's "America does this" then it's "We do this". Wait... are you claiming to BE America? Speak for America? Part of the current administration? And what kind of distinction is that from the crimes of Hitler and Stalin whether they were "their own people" or not?!?!? Really.

Please, if you want to reply to me, reply to me via PM, because this has gotten WAY off topic.