Zero Punctuation: Darksiders 2
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You apparently still don't get my point: They are not borrowing ideas as much as taking the basic framework and reimagining the entire thing. Yes, in the Bible there are no horseman called Fury and Strife, but guess what, in the Bible the horseman are not nephilim, they are all male, they are not superpowered agents of the Charred Council, their job is not upholding the "Balance" and they are actually not even people but more like disasters and concepts. So, again, Darksiders' horsemen are different from the Bible's horsemen to the point that the only similarity is that there are four of them and they have horses, yet all you complain about how their names are changed and how that's somehow "half-assing" it...? Am I missing a logical step here or is this really as silly as it sounds?Lord_Gremlin said:
You have to admit that playing a video game as the anthropomorphic personification of famine or pestilence would have, at the most generous, niche appeal. On the other hand, probably not this, but another game could be quite entertaining if you were tasked with playing as middle-management of death.
Well, Ciphas Cain only really works if you already have a considerable knowlege of Warhammer 40k knowlege, otherwise your not going to really get a lot of the satire or why some of it is funny. Also to be entirely fair, despite how it acts Cain has all the actual abillities to be a proper 40k Imperial Guard hero, he just doesn't choose to act that way. Over the course of the stories they have mentioned that he has talents like a peerless sense of direction, and happens to be a masterful chainsword fighter, having gone head to head with a Chaos Marine (until Jurgan shot it if I remember) for a while. He's also got some pretty crazy allies which justify his survival.The Critic said:I have a sneaking suspicion that Yahtzee might change his tone on 40K by a little bit if someone would make a good Ciaphas Cain videogame. Seems like the kind of thing he might like.Therumancer said:Tha could also just you being over enthusiastic with a morphine drip.FantomOmega said:
That said I think Yahtzee's criticism of 40k is fair given the eyes he views it through... those of a video game critic. To be honest video games never seem to have touched upon much besides extremely violent clashes of troops involving groups like Space Marines and Imperial Guard pretty much "on the clock" all the time. To really dig into what's going on behind Warhammer 40k you need to look at things like "Rogue Trader", "Inquisitor" or various novels, and to be honest that is all secondary material behind the minatures game (which is all combat) and the video games that are largely out to duplicate the minatures game and of course be deliberatly mindless hack and slash.
From the perspective of your average Space Marine, what the forces of chaos represent and how they differ doesn't much matter. To really explore that in a heroic context you'd need to see it from the perspective of an Inqusitor from the Ordo Malleus who is allowed that kind of information to aid against fighting against them. The forced ignorance of Warhammer 40k is an interesting concept, but it makes experiencing the world through most characters dfficult, most of the lore behind Space Marines and such involving exposition in codexes and the like which has no real bearing on anything other than to maybe explain some minor bonus.
Come to think of it, that game would be rather cool. It'd be a bit like Mass Effect, except that all the dialogue options wouldn't be "Idealistic/Good/Paragon vs. Pragmatic/Bad/Renegade"; but rather they'd be "Order Jurgen to do something", "take the piss out of someone/thing with a good snark", "Cover Ass", or "Lie Ass off". The combat portions would consist of hiding behind cover until the scary noises stop.
Yahtzee wouldn't really "get" all of that given his complete lack of knowlege on the subject, only being familiar with Space Marine stuff. To sort of "get" Cain I think you'd need to at least have to have read the Gaunt's Ghosts series (or some of it) to see how the hero-commisar is supposed to function by default, before you can really understand how truely Borked Cain is, it goes a little beyond general military parody (though I suppose it can be appreciated to some extent on that level, which would be missing a lot of the specifics that make Cain the fan favorite it is).
I would still like to see him play Magicka since it is one of the few cheap yet incredibly fun games that I've ever played. Plus it can be played with some mates which will create hours of fun including revenge, gore, and at the end of the day make you hate friendly-fire. Just my thoughts.
thankyou, was a bit worried about not wanting to play this game. all my fears have been allayed.
I never cared for Darksiders 1, I saw reviews and lets plays. But I just thought meh screw I dont like it all. I bought Darksiders 2 because I thought being able to play death sounds cool.
And I am really pleasantly suprised by Darksiders 2.
I like the dungeon crawling parts I like the little platforming bits. At first I thought oh god I think I just bought another pile of kaka. But I am really liking the game personally. Of course its has its flaws.
But I noticed I really liked this game when I thought: "lets play some darksiders 2" I started at 22:00. And when I checked the time again it was already 03:30. And this happens all the time, I think I will play for an hour or two but I keep ending up playing it 4 or 5 hours.
And I am really pleasantly suprised by Darksiders 2.
I like the dungeon crawling parts I like the little platforming bits. At first I thought oh god I think I just bought another pile of kaka. But I am really liking the game personally. Of course its has its flaws.
But I noticed I really liked this game when I thought: "lets play some darksiders 2" I started at 22:00. And when I checked the time again it was already 03:30. And this happens all the time, I think I will play for an hour or two but I keep ending up playing it 4 or 5 hours.
Yes, you are correct, sir! This game looks as designed-by-committee-of-1990's-comic-book-artists as the 1st one. There's no mirth or levity to be found.DVS BSTrD said:Can't spell Ben Yahtzee Croshaw without Cros
And Fractal Pading?
More like "Frak! Dull Padding" AmIright?
This is Yahtzee's 2nd video in a row ripping on comics from the '90's. Has he been hanging around MovieBob lately?
You take that back! Liefield is so bad you arent even allowed to joke about it, hes currently in the process of completely ruining the deathstroke reboot - it was so awesome and now... and now *sob* *sob*mronoc said:
Joe Mad is so much better att illustrations
"It's not Famin and Pestilence, it's Strife and whatever"
Oh brother don't remind me. I posted a youtube comment on a Darksiders II trailer like, six months ago wondering how they would do Famin and I'm STILL getting snotty replies from people that think they are the first to point it out.
Oh brother don't remind me. I posted a youtube comment on a Darksiders II trailer like, six months ago wondering how they would do Famin and I'm STILL getting snotty replies from people that think they are the first to point it out.
Eh, I hate YouTubers. Well, the majority of them, anyway.Endocrom said:
Well, these days, it kind of is. 5-10 years ago, maybe not, but for a hack & slash game to last 20 hours (with minimal exploration) in the current age of the industry - that's not all that common.Epicspoon said:
You are correct; I have not. Still, I'd say 20 hours is still above average, and can still be considered long, especially in the world of AAA games, and AAA hack & slashers even more so.Epicspoon said: