http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/extra-punctuation/7938-Extra-Punctuation-On-RTS-Gamesangelblack said:Awww, no starcraft 2
Oh well, entertaining nevertheless.
edit: it was practically the first RTS I finished since I don't like this genre and it was still awesome.
what do you say yahtzee, screw Halo Wars and start with this one?
Adamantium rage!persona J said:transformers isnt bland or unchallenging u tard, how many games do u no that have transforming robots and if u find it easy bump up the dificulty u moron.
Couple of things. First, opinions don't need vindication. You're perfectly welcome to think that rocks are far too rocky, or that the color purple has far too much blue in it. Claims of fact need to be vindicated, opinions can be baseless as the day is long.RadiusXd said:Hey, I belive in free speech and all, but just because I can run down a street half naked carrying a pigs heart and loudly uttering satanic rituals (sounds like an awsome dare btw) doesn't mean I should. And when you claim to be a professional on something, a certain level of etiquette is usually anticipated.Roninraver said:Or, he can say whatever the Hells he wishes, at whatever length he wishes, about whatever topic he wishes. Y'know, like you yourself are allowed to do. Just who in the heck do you think you are, dictating to someone else what they shall or shall not say?RadiusXd said:If he decides to review it after all i will be only too happy alright?Turbo_ski said:That hasn't stopped him from reviewing JRPGs and SC2 is so accessible even non-gamers get into it. That whole excuse that he would be too inexperienced regarding RTS doesn't hold weight. Besides the the single player campaign plays more like a hybrid between point and click adventure and RPG with a RTS as a base.RadiusXd said:thats not my point, he said he wasn't going to review it because he felt his opinion carries little weight on the subject (thats new I know), i understand that, i just don't think the cheek is nessesary on something he said himself he is inexperienced with, and with which he has no intentions of becoming aquainted with for that matter.
But that doesn't change the fact that he said he isn't going to, nor does it change the reason he gave for that, my point is if he isn't going to review it like all the other games he pokes fun at, then he can keep the single sentence comments about it to himself.
He says he doesn't plan on a Starcraft 2 critique, so that bars him from ever making mention, passing or otherwise, of the game again? And it gives you license to try and e-police any comment he makes until he decides to do a proper review, and "earn the right" to his opinion?
How about no? How about, he says what he wants to, when he chooses. And you can do the same. Without the need to justify yourself to anyone else.
Or do you plan on retroactively going back through your lifetime and filming a snarky fast-talking critique complete with animations to justify any offhand comment you've ever made, as you seem intent on doing so to Yahtzee. Quid pro quo.
in his extra punctuation, he gives a reasonable and inoffensive explanation as to why he won't be reviewing sc2, i commend him for this.
What I don't understand though, Is why he just had to go and ruin that by making a unessesary and altogether offensive comment without any follow up to vindicate his opinion.
It seems to me that if anything he could have just summarized the polite way of saying it, within about 1 sentence. The way he wrote it seems like the written equivalent of giving all the people hoping for an sc2 review the flip!
Yes yahtzee can say whatever the hell he wants, does that mean he should, or for that matter, even has a reason to?
I have free speech and i can say whatever I want so you know what?
Free speech can suck it!
was that nice? no.
can you do anything about it? Of course not i have free speech silly!
was it even nessesary? no.
If it was nessesary could i have put it in a more polite and reasonable way? yes.
i hope you are getting the picture now, if not there isn't a whole lot more i simplify for you.
If you read Extra Punctuation, you'd understand. He will never review Starcraft II, I hate the fanboys as much as anybody, but I want him to ignore it.Alar said:Gets off? What do you mean? That he stops complaining about it, or that he completely ignores it? He only made one mention about it, as far as I know. I found it amusing, like him once again smacking at the rabid fanboys who constantly send in requests for him to review games.lacktheknack said:Good Lord, I hope he gets off the Starcraft II thing fairly quickly. Just leave it alone.
And I desperately want Limbo, but I don't have an Xbox. WAAAAH.
Sure, I'd like him to review it as well (partly because the best experience was the single-player, and he prefers single-player and I'm interested in what he has to say), but I don't understand your statement here.
Again, not trying to be rude, just don't know what message you're trying to get across.
This review did indeed amuse me. I also do not have an Xbox, and therefore will not be enjoying the delight and woe these games have to offer.
So did I! Well... My avatar did. Well... no so much a mention as a picture, But Still!The_root_of_all_evil said:I got a mention in a Yahtzee video!
Ish...
DUDE chillax! I thought that by now i had made it perfectly clear that i couldn't give a flying fuck about whether ot not he reviews starcraft OK?!Roninraver said:Couple of things. First, opinions don't need vindication. You're perfectly welcome to think that rocks are far too rocky, or that the color purple has far too much blue in it. Claims of fact need to be vindicated, opinions can be baseless as the day is long.RadiusXd said:Hey, I belive in free speech and all, but just because I can run down a street half naked carrying a pigs heart and loudly uttering satanic rituals (sounds like an awsome dare btw) doesn't mean I should. And when you claim to be a professional on something, a certain level of etiquette is usually anticipated.Roninraver said:Or, he can say whatever the Hells he wishes, at whatever length he wishes, about whatever topic he wishes. Y'know, like you yourself are allowed to do. Just who in the heck do you think you are, dictating to someone else what they shall or shall not say?RadiusXd said:If he decides to review it after all i will be only too happy alright?Turbo_ski said:That hasn't stopped him from reviewing JRPGs and SC2 is so accessible even non-gamers get into it. That whole excuse that he would be too inexperienced regarding RTS doesn't hold weight. Besides the the single player campaign plays more like a hybrid between point and click adventure and RPG with a RTS as a base.RadiusXd said:thats not my point, he said he wasn't going to review it because he felt his opinion carries little weight on the subject (thats new I know), i understand that, i just don't think the cheek is nessesary on something he said himself he is inexperienced with, and with which he has no intentions of becoming aquainted with for that matter.
But that doesn't change the fact that he said he isn't going to, nor does it change the reason he gave for that, my point is if he isn't going to review it like all the other games he pokes fun at, then he can keep the single sentence comments about it to himself.
He says he doesn't plan on a Starcraft 2 critique, so that bars him from ever making mention, passing or otherwise, of the game again? And it gives you license to try and e-police any comment he makes until he decides to do a proper review, and "earn the right" to his opinion?
How about no? How about, he says what he wants to, when he chooses. And you can do the same. Without the need to justify yourself to anyone else.
Or do you plan on retroactively going back through your lifetime and filming a snarky fast-talking critique complete with animations to justify any offhand comment you've ever made, as you seem intent on doing so to Yahtzee. Quid pro quo.
in his extra punctuation, he gives a reasonable and inoffensive explanation as to why he won't be reviewing sc2, i commend him for this.
What I don't understand though, Is why he just had to go and ruin that by making a unessesary and altogether offensive comment without any follow up to vindicate his opinion.
It seems to me that if anything he could have just summarized the polite way of saying it, within about 1 sentence. The way he wrote it seems like the written equivalent of giving all the people hoping for an sc2 review the flip!
Yes yahtzee can say whatever the hell he wants, does that mean he should, or for that matter, even has a reason to?
I have free speech and i can say whatever I want so you know what?
Free speech can suck it!
was that nice? no.
can you do anything about it? Of course not i have free speech silly!
was it even nessesary? no.
If it was nessesary could i have put it in a more polite and reasonable way? yes.
i hope you are getting the picture now, if not there isn't a whole lot more i simplify for you.
Second, I didn't see it as offensive at all. But then, I'm not one of the people that seem to keep pushing, jabbing, and pestering at him for a Starcraft 2 review. I don't see the comment he made as a jab at the game (because as he's said, he basically doesn't give a flip about the game good or bad), but rather as a jab at the people that won't take no for an answer and keep pushing for a review they know he doesn't want to do. I fully support this action.
People that won't take no for an answer, will not take no for an answer regardless of how well you expound upon your reasoning, nor will any amount of nicety in your delivery help. So a "suck it" is just as good as a three paragraph exposition for these people. They still won't accept the "No" but at least you didn't waste unnecessary time and energy on it. The people who read Extra Punctuation got the full breakdown of the why's and why not's. The people that spend 5 minutes here once a week got "suck it."
What this seems to boil down to is, you got your feelings hurt. You were offended by something someone else said, and now you're going to cry about it. It isn't so much that he expressed his opinion, but the way in which he chose to express it. That and I think the fact that he chose to express his opinion AT ALL based upon your comment.
The only thing I can say to that is, toughen your hide. It's a big world out there, and sometimes people say things that will make you feel not good. You have two choices.
A.) Get butthurt when someone says something that doesn't jive right with you. Take offense, and rain down righteous indignation upon the offender.
B.) Realize that offense is a choice. There is no such thing as something being patently offensive, as nothing in this world offends everyone. Therefore, when you find yourself offended, you have chosen to be offended. You can just as easily, choose to not be offended.
If you're honestly this upset over such a frail comment, I'd suggest staying away from Zero Punctuation reviews altogether.RadiusXd said:Hey, I belive in free speech and all, but just because I can run down a street half naked carrying a pigs heart and loudly uttering satanic rituals (sounds like an awsome dare btw) doesn't mean I should. And when you claim to be a professional on something, a certain level of etiquette is usually anticipated.Roninraver said:Or, he can say whatever the Hells he wishes, at whatever length he wishes, about whatever topic he wishes. Y'know, like you yourself are allowed to do. Just who in the heck do you think you are, dictating to someone else what they shall or shall not say?RadiusXd said:If he decides to review it after all i will be only too happy alright?Turbo_ski said:That hasn't stopped him from reviewing JRPGs and SC2 is so accessible even non-gamers get into it. That whole excuse that he would be too inexperienced regarding RTS doesn't hold weight. Besides the the single player campaign plays more like a hybrid between point and click adventure and RPG with a RTS as a base.RadiusXd said:thats not my point, he said he wasn't going to review it because he felt his opinion carries little weight on the subject (thats new I know), i understand that, i just don't think the cheek is nessesary on something he said himself he is inexperienced with, and with which he has no intentions of becoming aquainted with for that matter.
But that doesn't change the fact that he said he isn't going to, nor does it change the reason he gave for that, my point is if he isn't going to review it like all the other games he pokes fun at, then he can keep the single sentence comments about it to himself.
He says he doesn't plan on a Starcraft 2 critique, so that bars him from ever making mention, passing or otherwise, of the game again? And it gives you license to try and e-police any comment he makes until he decides to do a proper review, and "earn the right" to his opinion?
How about no? How about, he says what he wants to, when he chooses. And you can do the same. Without the need to justify yourself to anyone else.
Or do you plan on retroactively going back through your lifetime and filming a snarky fast-talking critique complete with animations to justify any offhand comment you've ever made, as you seem intent on doing so to Yahtzee. Quid pro quo.
in his extra punctuation, he gives a reasonable and inoffensive explanation as to why he won't be reviewing sc2, i commend him for this.
What I don't understand though, Is why he just had to go and ruin that by making a unessesary and altogether offensive comment without any follow up to vindicate his opinion.
It seems to me that if anything he could have just summarized the polite way of saying it, within about 1 sentence. The way he wrote it seems like the written equivalent of giving all the people hoping for an sc2 review the flip!
Yes yahtzee can say whatever the hell he wants, does that mean he should, or for that matter, even has a reason to?
I have free speech and i can say whatever I want so you know what?
Free speech can suck it!
was that nice? no.
can you do anything about it? Of course not i have free speech silly!
was it even nessesary? no.
If it was nessesary could i have put it in a more polite and reasonable way? yes.
i hope you are getting the picture now, if not there isn't a whole lot more i simplify for you.