Zero Punctuation Decline In Popularity

Solo508

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Your wrong. Zero Puncuation is going up in popularity because its great. Comments mean nothing, the reason some have more comments than others is because they are controversial.
 

Nazulu

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All I have to say is Melee is still one of my favourite games and I became a die hard fan boy who would also defend it with my supple body. That was back then before I watched Yahtzee's review, funny thing is I mostly disagreed with his review but hated Brawl for other reasons.

Before that 2 years before it was released, I was overwhelmed as soon as I heard there was a new one in the making. Straight away got on the internet and spent alot of time researching it, I was never so excited about a game before and that goes for the thousands of other fan boys/girls I was discussing with. Everyone was talking about what characters should be in it and all recent updates by every passing second, every day! However it was 1 week before the game was released that I found out they fucked it up, which is why I will never get that excited ever again!

I am using myself as an example to maybe why the SSBB review was full of flame and protectors of Yahtzee. I would say in my experience with every game I played on every console that Brawl was easily the most hyped up game ever. I swear, I cannot think of anything else in my entire life that made people go ape shit about it 2 years before anything was released. I remember they said 1 year when it was first mentioned.

In fact, maybe Brawl is the reason why nothing gets so hyped up so much anymore!
 

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excessum ado said:
Comments are bi-product of views. The more people that view, the more chance of comments. Therefore the more views, the more comments and vice versa. Unless the Escapist implements some kind of view counter like that of youtube there is no better way of gauging traffic.
No, comments are a bi-product of people who like to comment. I have watched Yahtzees critiques for a good while now, ever since the CoD4 review was linked on the official CoD4 forums. Zero Punctuation is not The Escapist, it is only a part of it. I only signed up here the other week, and to join in the discussions taking place here, not to comment on Yahtzee. Now I have a forum account I may leave an odd message in those featured content threads. But although I enjoy his work immensly I have never felt a need to express that on these forums. Why? Because I don't think he cares too much either way. Whether it's people saying "yathsie i luv u i want ur kidz!!" or "i h8 u dood u h8 my gaem!!1!", it's pretty irrelevant. This also works in reverse - out of millions who view his vids I don't think many will go through to the trouble of setting up an account just to leave a few words which anyone with any sense knows he doesn't give two crocodiles about anyway. Most of those who would leave comments or spam him with email, good or bad, have all been ignored and moved on.

In any case, your basis for claiming it is dropping in popularity is at best unscientific. I noticed that this week though many people had problems viewing the Fable 2 article due to the server being over-loaded, which does put a bit of a bullet in your theory that it is falling in popularity.
 

Ginja Ninja

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Note: The SSBB thread could have had just two people commenting over and over again (I doubt it was) but the point is it might not have had more people commenting just the people made more coments than they usually would.
 

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I find I'm watching the newer ones more, I just find them more amusing.

And I'm still fairly new to the forums- who is Donald Mcronald?
 

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http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation

Traffic figures, happy? Page views is the third tab. It's not a perfect measure, but statistically I imagine it should be fine.

It's a graph of Escapist in general, but I think it's safe to assume that the regular spikes happen around Wednesday. That being said, they do seem to be getting shorter and further in between.

However, upon a comparison with other gaming sites everyone seems to be having a decline starting around May. Do a comparison with penny-arcade and you'll find that they both take a significant decline at about the same date. Whereas a neutral site like webster.com stays where it is. Non-gaming webcomics seem to stay level.

I don't know why. I would have thought it was seasonal, but in the 15 month projection there isn't a similar dip last year. Maybe it's because of some event that happened in may that turned people off gaming. Or some game that came out in may that everyone's too busy playing.

Or perhaps it has something to do with the way alexa gathers data. Perhaps people have just stopped using their toolbar. As I said, it's not exactly a perfect system.

In short, yes there seems to be a decline in traffic, and no, it doesn't seem to be Yahtzee's fault. Unless you're going to say that every gaming humor website became crappy at the same time.
 

Thermal Ions

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excessum ado said:
I mean have a look at one of his earlier movies, his review of SSBB and it has 1230 comments. Then look at his most recent, a review of Fable 2 and it has 318. Its not just that particular review either. All of his recent reviews havent had the traffic of his earlier ones.
Um, what pages are you looking at? I see the majority of the reviews around the date of the SSBB review having LESS comments than the Fable 2 review.

Looking at it statistically, if you break the reviews down into groups (3 or 4) and average them after excluding both the highest and lowest # of comments in each group then you end up with something in the order of:

3 groups: Most Recent 370, Middle 306, Oldest 185
4 groups: Most Recent 312, Less recent 468, Older 226, Oldest 159
(note that the Less recent grouping in 4 groups causes the 4 record highest # of comments EVER to be in the one group thus it's unsurprising the impact, and could be viewed as a statistical anomaly arguing for removal of outliers prior to grouping).

If you average over all comments while removing top and bottom 5% then you end up with 277 comments (309 if you don't remove any outliers). Both less than the latest review.

I therefore see no statistical basis for your assertion. In fact singling out the one highest commented episode as supposedly an example of the historical comment level loses you all credibility.

Your hypothesis that # of comments is proportional to # of views also appears flawed, with anecdotal evidence definitely suggesting the controversy factor as more likely driving the comments rather than views driving comments.
 

Ginja Ninja

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Thermal Ions said:
excessum ado said:
I mean have a look at one of his earlier movies, his review of SSBB and it has 1230 comments. Then look at his most recent, a review of Fable 2 and it has 318. Its not just that particular review either. All of his recent reviews havent had the traffic of his earlier ones.
Um, what pages are you looking at? I see the majority of the reviews around the date of the SSBB review having LESS comments than the Fable 2 review.

Looking at it statistically, if you break the reviews down into groups (3 or 4) and average them after excluding both the highest and lowest # of comments in each group then you end up with something in the order of:

3 groups: Most Recent 370, Middle 306, Oldest 185
4 groups: Most Recent 312, Less recent 468, Older 226, Oldest 159
(note that the Less recent grouping in 4 groups causes the 4 record highest # of comments EVER to be in the one group thus it's unsurprising the impact, and could be viewed as a statistical anomaly arguing for removal of outliers prior to grouping).

If you average over all comments while removing top and bottom 5% then you end up with 277 comments (309 if you don't remove any outliers). Both less than the latest review.

I therefore see no statistical basis for your assertion. In fact singling out the one highest commented episode as supposedly an example of the historical comment level loses you all credibility.

Your hypothesis that # of comments is proportional to # of views also appears flawed, with anecdotal evidence definitely suggesting the controversy factor as more likely driving the comments rather than views driving comments.
I concur... maybe.
 

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SecretTacoNinja said:
Fable 2 wasn't the funniest one yet but I wouldn't say his popularity is declining,

Unlike the AVGN...
Yeah, I lost interest in him about the time he got booted from youtube and he tried to make every video into a mini-movie. We get it dude, you're a film maker! But that's not why we're here.
 

mr mcshiznit

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excessum ado said:
People keep saying the SSBB review was controversial because it was over hyped right? Well so was fable 2.
Yes but people know what to expect from Peter Molyneux, he drasticaly overhypes his games and generaly does not deliver. Alsonote that there are WAAAAAY more smash fanboys than fable fanboys.
 

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SecretTacoNinja said:
Fable 2 wasn't the funniest one yet but I wouldn't say his popularity is declining,

Unlike the AVGN...
Off topic [RANT] ....Just watched my first AVGN after above post and it seems so forced. Not to mention the guy was virtually still in diapers when the games he's having a go at were released. [/RANT]

Give me Yahtzee any day. He's almost an Aussie to boot. :D
 

SecretTacoNinja

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Thermal Ions said:
SecretTacoNinja said:
Fable 2 wasn't the funniest one yet but I wouldn't say his popularity is declining,

Unlike the AVGN...
Off topic [RANT] ....Just watched my first AVGN after above post and it seems so forced. Not to mention the guy was virtually still in diapers when the games he's having a go at were released. [/RANT]

Give me Yahtzee any day. He's almost an Aussie to boot. :D
I think he was five or six when he first got his NES, see the video called 'The Anger Begins', he knows what he's talking about and I think his older ones were awesome (See Dragon's Lair :3), he's just become a bit stale.
But yeah, sorry for going off-topic...
 

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People comment on those videos? Why waste the effort? I mean, to me, it's just a source of random people that don't even use the forums stopping by to say "yeah i agree lol!", and plus the fact that Ben's too much of a dick to actually care about what people that watch his videos have to say any ways make it kind of a useless endeavor.
 

MosDes

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I say everything he does is only a matter of opinion. Let him be. Have your own opinions and then you have become a Lv. 5 Human.
 

Neosage

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Seeing as around 99% of the people on the escapist signed up because of yhatzee, even if he is a ****. He is still funny albeit only the first 100 times, I don't think you'll find much people who will agree with him declining in popularity.