Zero Punctuation: Diablo 3
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That was the most uninspired ZP I have seen so far ...
A collection of internet QQ without research, coupled with his problem for being addicted to Blizzard games and hating himself for it. Weak.
I give props to "carpet bombing" joke, that was inspired.
A collection of internet QQ without research, coupled with his problem for being addicted to Blizzard games and hating himself for it. Weak.
I give props to "carpet bombing" joke, that was inspired.
Ever hear of a book called "beyond the deepwoods"? As long as you read the first chapter first, and the last chapter last, you can read all the intermediate ones in whatever order you feel like, and it'll basically make the same amount of sense. It's still a really good book.
I'm a little let down, but you brought out some excellent points. I thought the cheesy character designs would also have obtained honorable mention. The story was better than I thought, but when all I was getting was fanboys trying to outdo each other with speculation, you can only imagine how low the bar was set.
OK, take issue with this. Ignoring the fact the rest of this post could be summarised "With I like Blizzard and Diablo 3 and this is why everyone who dislikes it is wrong", claiming you can't review a game without playing the games that came 12 years before it is just bias at it's highest.Abedeus said:
If someone posted in Yahtzee's Skyward Sword review that his opinion was invalid because he didn't play A Link to the Past on the SNES, you wouldn't accept that argument for shit, even LESS if it was to the first Zelda game from 86. From what I remember of Diablo 2, Diablo's soul gets destroyed at the end, I don't recall that being explained in Diablo 3? The storylines aren't even sequential as far as I can see, so it's really not like the Lord of the Rings example.
Defend the game you like all you like, but claiming you have to play the preceeding games is fanboyism at it's highest. I know because -I- have that response to some of these ZP reviews, but I stop myself from saying it.
Mass effect 3, spoiled the final mission mission. And SCREED brotherhood, which I finished before watching. I didn't actually mean that ENTIRE endings were spoiled, bad choice of words. But they're spoileriffic enough for me and many others. My only point is that you do not watch Zero Punctuation to determine weather or not you want to buy a game, I do not care about the rest of your post or diablo 3, which is why I did not and will not address it.CriticKitten said:
People said this about Borderlands as well, but it's because they don't understand the game.Jas0913 said:
When you are assessing how good the last boss of a trouser-hunt is, you don't look at the fight itself, or the design of the boss, but whether it dropped good trousers.
That's one of the things that bothered me about Diablo in general. The environment RARELY MATTERS. There's a few levels in Diablo 2 where you can ply the environment to your advantage, but most of the time you're just wandering through a semi-open dark corridor.Crono1973 said:
For games like Nethack or Terraria, where I'm expecting to backtrack to some other new location, this can work just fine. You establish some sort of landmarks, order within chaos.
But for Diablo, unless it's a preset map, once you've murdered all the forces of hell, you're never going to set eyes on that room ever again.
If you don't like the genre, you won't like games in that genre. It seems like a fairly simple equation to me, but I guess people just don't understand.
A lesson in Action-RPG tropes:
-Randomized content
-Character progression (hence the RPG bit)
-Mass genocide (hence the action bit)
People bitching about randomized content make no sense. That's...what the game is. That's what the genre is.
Do I think Diablo III is an exceptional game? No. I think it's fairly mediocre and is not worth 60 bucks. Their DRM scheme successfully drove the price up and the auction house will monetize the game further.
I don't think Yahtzee even wanted to review this game. He knew he was going to hate it from the get go because he's not into this genre. That's completely understandable. However, he could have made better points, like the complete absence of skill trees and the shoddy writing. Instead, he chose to target one of the basic proponents of the entire genre, which is just silly.
Titan Quest: Immortal Throne is a better game that came out in 2006. It had a much better story (great writing overall), is technically on the same plane, and was addictive. However, the vast majority of it was handcrafted (IE not randomized). I'd like to see if Yahtzee would enjoy that game, since it's in the same genre but would seem to suit his tastes much better.
I'm not talking down to Yahtzee or anything, I just feel that he could have really delved into Diablo III and the genre as a whole and related the two together for a better review. As it stands, his argument is basically, "well, uh, it's randomized and the story isn't too memorable."
Anyway, it was funny.
A lesson in Action-RPG tropes:
-Randomized content
-Character progression (hence the RPG bit)
-Mass genocide (hence the action bit)
People bitching about randomized content make no sense. That's...what the game is. That's what the genre is.
Do I think Diablo III is an exceptional game? No. I think it's fairly mediocre and is not worth 60 bucks. Their DRM scheme successfully drove the price up and the auction house will monetize the game further.
I don't think Yahtzee even wanted to review this game. He knew he was going to hate it from the get go because he's not into this genre. That's completely understandable. However, he could have made better points, like the complete absence of skill trees and the shoddy writing. Instead, he chose to target one of the basic proponents of the entire genre, which is just silly.
Titan Quest: Immortal Throne is a better game that came out in 2006. It had a much better story (great writing overall), is technically on the same plane, and was addictive. However, the vast majority of it was handcrafted (IE not randomized). I'd like to see if Yahtzee would enjoy that game, since it's in the same genre but would seem to suit his tastes much better.
I'm not talking down to Yahtzee or anything, I just feel that he could have really delved into Diablo III and the genre as a whole and related the two together for a better review. As it stands, his argument is basically, "well, uh, it's randomized and the story isn't too memorable."
Anyway, it was funny.
No, obviously not. However as the dungeons are randomly generated each player's experience is going to be different and that would be worth comparing notes about.0over0 said:
I did not buy the game. Cause I knew it would suck. Well would you look at that. It does suck. So much they have to force you to play multiplayer. Wish blizzard would just stop making shit games.
I already made up my mind about the game before Yahtzee reviewed it, in that I decided not to get it based off not enjoying the first two. I did find his video enjoyable, though I know his standards concerning games are a lot harsher than mine, so I tend to watch them while keeping that in mind. Especially since I know that I enjoy it when he complains, so whether the game is actually good to me or not is irrelevant in the face of him talking about its lousier aspects.
The friends of mine who have played the game seem to enjoy it, and I'm glad their money was well-spent. As it is, I wasn't that fond of the first or second, and so I saw no reason to buy the third. I'm also sure that it will improve for those who think it's good but needs fixing, as Blizzard will throw patch after patch at it, ensuring a steady supply of Bawwing from Blizz fans.
The friends of mine who have played the game seem to enjoy it, and I'm glad their money was well-spent. As it is, I wasn't that fond of the first or second, and so I saw no reason to buy the third. I'm also sure that it will improve for those who think it's good but needs fixing, as Blizzard will throw patch after patch at it, ensuring a steady supply of Bawwing from Blizz fans.