Popular consensus is that it's a remake. I've seen a theory that it continues off from where Doom 64 left off however.Saika Renegade said:
I played Doom 1-2-3 in that order. Of the lot, Doom 3 is my favorite. So no, you're not alone.Flathole said:
Zero Punctuation: Doom
- Thread starter Yahtzee Croshaw
- Start date
I'm glad he enjoyed it, as I have.
I like how it sort of retrains you from the last decade of cover based defensive shooting.
I'm a lot more aggressive in DOOM than I am in most games but I'm STILL pressing R to reload, which only serves to switch weapon mods. It's not too bad an inconvenience as every weapon mod is a different flavor of useful and I usually only do it when in cover or after a battle.
I like how it sort of retrains you from the last decade of cover based defensive shooting.
I'm a lot more aggressive in DOOM than I am in most games but I'm STILL pressing R to reload, which only serves to switch weapon mods. It's not too bad an inconvenience as every weapon mod is a different flavor of useful and I usually only do it when in cover or after a battle.
the shotgun grenade launcher, when fully upgraded, fires a cluster bomb, which is basically your bread and butter for cleaning up all purpose messesdemoman_chaos said:
the railgun's siege mode is strong enough to redefine barons of hell into modern art with two hits, and will stagger them on contact
You might be shocked to learn that this is almost exactly the plot of Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver. Just replace "evil corp" with Elder God, and his reason for hating all those vampires.Hartland said:
The twitch/old school FPS tends to have a ton of enemies and involve dodging a pile of projectiles coming at you, almost verging on bullet hell at times. If you add reload times, you have to add wider windows of safety to perform reloads, which dulls the action a bit (or cover, but that's basically jumping into a whole other subgenre).Xsjadoblayde said:
There are animations anways as the weapon cycles. He pumps the combat shotgun, actually does reload the Super Shotgun between blasts, and a couple of others. Its not completely absent, but its integrated more into the standard rate of fire and animations, rather then being a separate mechanic.
Also, the ammo counts for most of the guns are pretty low and deplete out fast anyways. I think the idea is he only has the magazine in the weapon on him to begin it. Only the shotgun and the rockets seem to carry a noticeable surplus.
The heavy assault rifle's alt fire (or at least, the only one that matters) when fully upgraded is a rapid-fire missile launcher. It kills single demons, it clears crowds, it takes down big guys, it is usable in all situations. I probably used that more than any other weapon in the game.weirdee said:
Just a nostalgia thing I think. DOOM 1&2 (maybe 3? Not sure. I did like it though, but I played it without too much exposure to the first two) didn't have reload animations because your ammo was just in a big pool specific to that weapon. It works really well in the new DOOM since the idea is to always be moving and shooting. Reloading would break up the flow quite jarringly.Xsjadoblayde said:
Edit: Sorry, I typed all this out before seeing like 10 people already quoted you about this haha
Was hoping he would reference the cute little Doomguy collectibles. I got the biggest grin when I found the one that unlocks the player character model and doomguy played with his arm for a second and then gave it a fist bump with the waggle fingers from Big Hero 6.
Had a feeling that Glory Kills would be the sticking point for ZP, even if a small one. After seeing playthroughs I knew it would be, even if there is some variety in them to be had by doing it from different angles and they aren't terribly long or flow-breaking. It doesn't change the fact that there are hundreds of demons to deal with in each level, and who doesn't want to get more health back?
Maybe if they'd changed it so that the animation doesn't make you temporarily invincible, making it risky to perform when there's more than a handful of demons remaining in a room and forcing you to save it for the last survivors, which is probably the time you will need health recovery the most.
'I'll get you next time, Doomguy. Next time... when they make a sequel...'
Maybe if they'd changed it so that the animation doesn't make you temporarily invincible, making it risky to perform when there's more than a handful of demons remaining in a room and forcing you to save it for the last survivors, which is probably the time you will need health recovery the most.
'I'll get you next time, Doomguy. Next time... when they make a sequel...'
This game brought me back to my childhood playing Doom. Running around aimlessly in a level doing my best to kill everything, being surprised when a level ends and giving up around level 3 because "I'm too Young to Die" was too hard...
I never once claimed to be good at video games.
I never once claimed to be good at video games.
I shant quote all the peeps, but i do understand a bit more now with the reloads. Will definitely try this game soon. Just going through an upgraded Wolfenstein TNO at the moment.
Deum really shouldn't be compared to TNO though. It makes Deum look unpolished and cluttered.Xsjadoblayde said:
I really wasn't satisfied with Doom because of this - I remembered WolfTNO and it's tight, polished design and hyped myself that Doom will be like that.
*bzzt* WRONG!
Doom could have been perfect, but instead of streamlining the game for the run-and-gun, they felt like it was necessary to pile up shit ontop and around it. The weapon mods look like they couldn't decide which ones to put into the game until the very last moment, so they just put them all in and didn't do swapping animation. Many mods have this weird aim-then-shoot instead of just altfire, even if it's not justified for the mod. There's also a bit of loss of identity between all the guns. TNO had underslung rockets on the rifle because there was no dedicated rocketlauncher. Doom, on the other hand, just stuffed rockets everywhere and even thrown in a rocketlauncher that ends up being pretty useless, with it's low damage and low ammo count. Again, same thing with HMG and plasma - they do same pew-pew spam thing, except hitting anything with plasma is mostly luck, and unlike godly HMG with scope, plasma deals shitty damage and wastes useful railgun ammo. Combat shotgun and supershotgun are also at odds with one another thanks to the combat shotguns burst mod.
The excuse plot is handled very ham-fistedly. Of course, I didn't expect it to be a narrative-driven game, but by god, either make an excuse plot to add some background noise, or grab us by the scull every few minutes going "LOOK" while something boring happens on the screen. There's an abundance of characters who are barely used at all, and I get a feeling ID expected us to CARE about killing that one chick who unleashed the demons. On top of that, the awesome voice bits you find on history of doomguy are placed waaay near the end, when they would have much more impact in the beginning. The robot guy was handled poorly, and the game would benefit greatly if the only talking entity was VEGA.
I feel the game has lost a LOT of fun value because ID decided to bolt on all that shit. Instead of giving us enough ammo to last an encounter and make chainsaw just a fun way to kill demons, they make chainsaw drop ammo and limit how much you can carry to roughly enough to kill a baron (Not an accurate measurement). Instead of making proper alt-fire for each gun and making each gun solid, they add two alt-fires, one of which quickly stops being used, and make players upgrade their guns for no good reason, especially considering how many points you receive. Were they afraid that players will get bored if they don't find a new shiny every ten steps or something?
I found the upgrade system rewarding, especially since the optimal way to upgrade weapons was to explore the map, thus giving incentive to find every nook and cranny to get the last upgrade points or a new weapon you'd normally get only on the next level. Also, they do have different swapping animations for each and every weapon mod, so not sure what you're going on about there.GTG3000 said:
Also, you realize that you can increase each weapon's ammo capacity through the Argent System upgrades, and that you can even enhance your ammo management abilities via the Rune system - there's even a Rune called Rich get Richer which allows you to have infinite ammo provided your armor is above 100 points. As long as I can prevent my armor from going down with that rune, I can pretty much spam all my weapons without worry (firing the chaingun for 3 minutes straight to kill everything without stopping was an awesome thing), and even before I get that rune there's a rune that increases ammo pickups.
I also disagree on the Plasma Rifle: I actually thought I'd hate it, but its Stun Bomb and Heat Blast mods are actually really great, the former for stunning enemies and thus making them easier to hit with the plasma rifle, and the other is good for clearing out the smaller enemies you shouldn't be bothered wasting ammo on.
While Doom is not quite what you'd call an "very intelligent" shooter, there's still some thought needed to get the best out of the game, which gives it that bit of depth you wouldn't otherwise if it was too simple mechanics wise.