Zero Punctuation: Exclusives Showdown

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I'm pretty sure that regardless of which system might be "better", I see this as him making two points.

1: Being based on x86, the new consoles are basically pc's anyway(although being pc's that have a proprietary OS).

2: There are hardly any games on the new consoles, so at the moment, it's not that smart to buy ANY of the new consoles, they are just pretty bricks untill they get more games out.


He could have phrased this better, as this will get people angry..
 

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Jman1236 said:
Not to flame but if you think about it, PC is more expensive since you have to upgrade individual hardware pieces every 6 months or so just to play the latest games
Actually, you barely need to update at all unless you want to play at max settings (which the consoles don't do). Most PC graphics cards are far more powerful then the new consoles, with the equivalent being about the Radeon 7850 (150$), and optimization can only take you so far.

But yeah, looks like PC/Wii U is the way to go this gen if you want all the games.
 

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I love that this is THE way to pick a console. It's a purchasing decision that should only be made off the exclusives.

Wake me up, however, when consoles get Dota2.


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geldonyetich said:
I'd say it's less, "oh look, the Glorious PC Gaming Master Race actually happened" and more, "oh look, the next gen consoles committed suicide."
Well, that's certainly a logical conclusion to draw from the new consoles having record launch sales, while PC sales are continuing to decline. Sure.
Sure. http://apcmag.com/10-reasons-why-the-pc-isnt-dying.htm
 

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NameIsRobertPaulson said:
It is threads like this that make me hate humanity a little more every day...

Biggest reason I would never want to call myself a PC Gamer, even though I have a pretty sweet rig: because of the people in this thread.
Really? I haven't read a single arrogant quote from a single user in this thread claiming to be a 'PC gamer'. What I do see are people defending themselves from people calling them out with arrogant statements and gross generalization, or correcting incorrect statements

If you think that's disgusting and a reason to hate humanity than I say you should try looking at yourself rather than others.

"PC gamers are full of themselves with their million dollar systems, they think it's better"

"No we aren't, no it's not, and technically speaking, it is.

"See, they're just so damn full of themselves, I hate people like you".
 

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Still can't afford a PC, as much as I'd like one. I had to save for a long time to buy a PS4, just because I want to play new releases and eventually they'll stop being made for current gen. I wish PC gamers would understand that most console gamers ACKNOWLEDGE that PC is a better way to play games, but just can't afford to pay twice as much for one than a console, and spare us the elitism. Whenever people start criticising me on my choice of platform and chanting "PC MASTER RACE" at me, it essentially boils down to them saying "look at what I can afford and you can't. Now I'm going to make you feel inferior because of the disposable income you don't have".
 

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Crimsonmonkeywar said:
NameIsRobertPaulson said:
It is threads like this that make me hate humanity a little more every day...

Biggest reason I would never want to call myself a PC Gamer, even though I have a pretty sweet rig: because of the people in this thread.
Really? I haven't read a single arrogant quote from a single user in this thread claiming to be a 'PC gamer'. What I do see are people defending themselves from people calling them out with arrogant statements and gross generalization, or correcting incorrect statements

If you think that's disgusting and a reason to hate humanity than I say you should try looking at yourself rather than others.
He seems to think that this is [link]www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace[/link], and we're all in disguise saying "SSSHHH, We're hunting Wabbits!"
 

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For some reason, I feel weirdly satisfied that the first Christmas game season to finally get the next generation truly started is also the worst Christmas game season in years. None of the 3 consoles yet have a big "must buy" game on them yet. Just look at the Metascores of the exclusives on each one. The X1 was banking on Dead Rising 3 (78), Killer Instinct (73) and Ryse (60) while the PS4 was going to give Killzone Shadow Fall (74) and Knack (56). Maybe this means the critics are starting to take their scores a little more seriously rather than handing out token 9s and 10s periodically. The Wii U has a little more going for it right now but Wind Waker is still just a re-release that I already own and Mario 3D Land looks like it's most of its value is in local multiplayer.
Playing through the game and trust me, multiplayuer isn't its best quality. Its the levels and my brother/sister? (I can't tell) a retail game that can boast level design as its best qualit yis a truly rare beast these days.
 

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-Dragmire- said:
Keep in mind that your rig that you haven't had to upgrade in 3 years doesn't seem very impressive when compared to the last console generation's 7+ year lifespan.

There's quite a bit to be said about the consumer's comfort and perception of the products they use. Your list of 1080p, 60fps, AA, SSAO and GL goes from something the average consumer knows and understands(though limited, 1080p means squat to a lot of people but they know it's better than 480, 720 etc.. the more 'p' the better) to areas where people have no understanding of and feel the bar for learning is too high.

Both PCs and the consoles are complex machines but consoles have a far more restricted environment with what you can do with it. This works to it's benefit because it requires so little for the consumer to understand as well as creates the perception that little can go wrong with the machine. It seems odd but there are many people that absolutely hate looking at system requirements and feel it's an unnecessary hassle when they want to play a new game.

The barrier of entry to understand enough hardware and software lingo isn't as high as most imagine it to be but their absolute belief that it's an impenetrable miasma of complicated tech speak has defeated them before any attempt has been made.

Oh, and just to cover this, I know consoles have many problems themselves and are starting to inherit a few from PC (updates) but I'm focusing on public perception.
It's not(incredibly low end now), but my point is the whole "2500usd every 6mon basement dwellers" is like calling all console gamers children. I can dump in another 400-500(I rather wait till next year) and my rig is back on top, backwards compatibility and all, and as computers(even tablets and smart phones) expand, evolve, the gap will only increase again. That was the point I was try to make in terms of power.

The other point, which I failed to clarify, was the fact that computer parts are a essentially Lego's now, and SteamMachines and OS are out to make that even simpler.

I do agree with you on terminology, but it's also something you can see, especially in person. PC gamers have always claimed that you need to see it in person because screen shots and videos don't do it justice. The same is starting to be discovered with console gamers and the next generation of consoles. In person, though you might not know the terms, it becomes instantly apparent.
Apologies, I was quoting you in a vacuum, without reading the context derived from the person you were quoting(his argument seemed like flamebait to me).

Side note: I do most of my gaming on PC as well and I understand your viewpoint however, I'm presenting a viewpoint from the perspective of a person who has no interest in technology itself, but merely in the media that the technology provides. I feel this is an extremely common viewpoint and that understanding it will help us to be more inviting to people who are misinformed and base judgment on the platform on stereotypes.

To clarify the point I was making about perception and whatnot...


Backwards compatibility and multitude of other uses PCs have is lost in this comparison but, people being as they are, will focus on comparing the ability to play new releases.


This is a cheap shot said:
If you put $400-500 more on your system, you've then spent $900-1000 on it which people will jump on and complain about the expense. You've now spent more than a launch PS3 in order to keep up.

Also, I was not trying to downplay the merits of the PC platform, I was just trying to explain how public perception of the platform has created exaggerated barriers that people can't overcome because they've convinced themselves they couldn't succeed in the first place.

So upgrading is great for us but the very idea of opening up the PC case scares many people who convince themselves that the'll likely break something if they tried to upgrade the system themselves. The actual difficulty is irrelevant and these people merely find it easier to buy a console that will play all games made for that system, guaranteed.


We are getting to a point where consoles are actually teaching people PC concepts that can potentially start easing people's worries over the platform(people have grudgingly accepted that they need software updates from time to time and bugs/glitches are a 'gaming' thing rather than a 'PC' thing). As digital gaming becomes more prevalent in the console market, we'll see a push for hard drive upgrades that will have to be physically installed. Though, on the other hand, many will probably pay someone else to install it rather than do it themselves, sadly.
 

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Basement gaming is SOOOO 1990! We of the true master gaming race have quite literally elevated ourselves to gaming in the attic. This way we can be literally superior at all times regardless of hardware to the console gaming peasants.

Joking aside this console war is about the most pointless one ever had. In the past gaming exclusives kind of made sense because they were literally developed specifically for certain platforms. Nowadays it's all just 4 different PC's being sold under different names.

The one of which I like best is the one still called a PC. Mostly because the games are cheaper, the mods are plentiful, I have more games available than I could play in a life time, everything is backwards compatible even if it takes a bit of elbow grease (damn you Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow!) and the fact I can just sock it to any company that demands I log in once every 24 hours to check up on me or else it will fry my PC.
 

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knox140 said:
Still can't afford a PC, as much as I'd like one. I had to save for a long time to buy a PS4, just because I want to play new releases and eventually they'll stop being made for current gen. I wish PC gamers would understand that most console gamers ACKNOWLEDGE that PC is a better way to play games, but just can't afford to pay twice as much for one than a console, and spare us the elitism. Whenever people start criticising me on my choice of platform and chanting "PC MASTER RACE" at me, it essentially boils down to them saying "look at what I can afford and you can't. Now I'm going to make you feel inferior because of the disposable income you don't have".
I personally have nothing to say against preferring a platform, but I will argue, and what most aruge, is that if you do more than Madden and CoD, the initial high cost of the PC will eventually be a cheaper investment than a console.

What I have always argued is that price and simplicity are a moot point to make for your purchase, PC's are past that stereotype. It comes down to exclusives and where your friends are. My friends hardly game and I'm not a big fan of the exclusive traditional shooters and JRPG's I've seen/played, so the PC was the obvious choice for me. For you, that might not be the case(not saying that's all they have).

If that comes across as an arrogant statement I apologize, but you have to realize that hearing that as a PC gamer is like hearing "white guys can't jump" used as a factual bullet point for why to not to put one on your team. It's just plain wrong
 

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That last part made me smile. *looks with a very happy expression at his PC*

But I do miss the glorious PC Gaming Master Race picture in this review. Just to spice up the comment section and fuel the everlasting 'which-console-is-best' war.

To be honest, I hope that both consoles fail so hard. Not because the fact that I'm a part of the aforementioned PCMGR but because these...ehr companies called Sony and Microsoft deserve to fail for their complete lacklustre efforts to win over the people who already sided with the PS3 & XB360.
 

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To be frank, the PS4 will be appealing when a fun and creative Crash Bandicoot game is released for it. Until that point, I'd much rather kill zombies with Gnome Chompski and waste time on acquiring pointless hats for my Medic.
 

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Oh my glop, that was hilarious!

Looks like Yahtzee has upgraded his video editing software, and started mucking around with the multichannel feature on his field recorder.

Also looks like there isn't much available yet to justify going out and spending serious coin on a new console, especially given all the launch glitches.
 

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NameIsRobertPaulson said:
It is threads like this that make me hate humanity a little more every day...

Biggest reason I would never want to call myself a PC Gamer, even though I have a pretty sweet rig: because of the people in this thread.
I don't like the PC Gamer name as well but it's the acronym that does it for me. I've heard the PC acronym so much over the years that I hear the other versions of it before Personal Computer. It probably is also due to, when speaking, I never say PC, it's always just computer.

What crosses my mind when I hear PC Gamer...

(P)resident's (C)hoice Gamer.
(P)rogressive (C)onservative Gamer.

It's more lengthy but I usually say I'm a gamer that primarily plays on PC[small](computer)[/small] when asked what platform I identify with. It also feels less loaded due to it not sounding like a title meant to exclude other options.
 

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I'm a pc player. I own some consoles (Super Famicom, Game Cube and PS2) but this gen isn't for me.
In first, the exclusives titles are weak and bland (and Dead Rising is just a timed exclusive, nothing more).

I'll never buy one of these two consoles just because i want to be free... I don't want to sign terms that allow a company to record everything about my family or ban me if I use insults in a private call.
I do not want to depend on a single company (Microsoft or Sony), i want to choose my game provider (Gog in first, Steam in second), my components provider, i don't want to have a paywall to have multiplayer and so on.

For the rig's price, my PC is five years old, i changed only my graphic card one time and i can run every game at full (even TW2) because i made it myself with choosen components for 500$. 660 if i count the new GC.
So, when i see this new gen...

I just want to be free... And consoles don't permit that.
 

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We get it Yahtzee! Your a PC gamer. I would ask why your even bothering with consoles if you hate them but then I remembered you said it was your job.
 

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NameIsRobertPaulson said:
Someone instigates a fight, but you ignore the instigator. Both quotes are correct at their core, but I will agree, they are extremely arrogant, also the second does not claim to be a PC gamer, simply saying that buying consoles before the heavy hitters are released is silly(although he over steps his boundaries with the first remark and the tone at which he states it). Either way, I'll give you those

Oh, and please do quote me. Everything I stated was either factual or subjective and labeled as such, and when subjective I leveled both sides. Even corrected an incorrect statement I made due to me misreading it.

So please, do pull out these quotes I made. I eagerly await.... Or. Did you blindly pick out what you thought pleasing, instantly seeing anything that wasn't a backhanded remark toward PC gaming as "PC elitism", as such, but you're a 'PC gamer' so that can't be the case and even then, that would be a very brash and 'arrogant' statement for me to make.

Also, I'd like to see these other comments from other users you're referring to. I can show far more comments from the other end. If anything both sides should disgust you then, unless you have selective reading, or simply missed them altogether.
 

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Facts:
PCs has games.
Wii U has games
Xbox One has games
PS4 has games.
Phones have games.
Tablets have games

All of these systems have games, we can agree on that, no? Playing any of said games makes one a "gamer" by the broadest definition of the term. The problem is opinions of said systems and games. That is where the conflicts arise. Criticism isn't something many people take well. Be it choices they've made or beliefs. Add to that the need, if not desire, to be the best at anything and we have what many call "fanboyism". Everyone wants to be on the winning team, even if just a fan. There are dog fights over who is better and who is worse constantly erupting over the smallest comment. We are imperfect creatures and so are our consoles. Their faults don't reflect poorly on us, but on the company that made them. All of the above listed systems have had, and will continue to have, problems. It's all relative. Good game? Bad game? Not everyone will agree. I do recall even Yathzee making a video about people who do an impossible amount of mental gymnastics to be reassured by their choice. You don't need to defend Nintendo, nor Xbox, not even Sony's products. Love them? Fine. Tell us why you love it. Rejecting any type of negative feedback is fool-hearty. Insult someone's lifestyle since they don't agree isn't right. Will they, the companies, do the same for you? It's unlikely they will reward your loyalty. At best maybe a general mass produced "Thank you" that everyone gets for subscribing for their services. You are a customer and nothing more. A contributor to their bottom line. You are not their friend. At this rate consoles may soon join the list of taboo topics for conversation; religion, politics, and sports.
 

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Heh, liked the singing. Also, PCs rule. Also, FTL is getting an expansion. A free one. Consoles, you can bugger off ^^