Zero Punctuation: Fallout 4
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As a person with 325 hours of time played on Fallout 4 (for comparison, i have around 450 on Skyrim,quarter of which was me trying to get my game look just right with mods, and failing).
I have to say that i agree with almost everything Yathzee said.
If anything, he left lot of things out that i would have complained about (settlement system, inconsistent voice acting for male MC, forced characterization, story and gameply dissonance, some obvious flaws in crafting system, etc...).
Having said that, i'm of to play some more fallout, those raiders won't (usually) kill themselves.
I have to say that i agree with almost everything Yathzee said.
If anything, he left lot of things out that i would have complained about (settlement system, inconsistent voice acting for male MC, forced characterization, story and gameply dissonance, some obvious flaws in crafting system, etc...).
Having said that, i'm of to play some more fallout, those raiders won't (usually) kill themselves.
We must be pretty hard up for Karma systems if that's the sort of thing that counts for one now and days.Xsjadoblayde said:There is a karma-ish system though, silly yahtzee! It depends what actions you perform around which non-canine companions you have in view. They judge differently based on their personality traits, which you only learn by experimenting. Did one rush through the game a little too hastily?
Kind of off topic but does that stock photo of a baby at 1:58 actually have a penis? Since when did they start putting genitals on dolls? Were they always like that? I was always under the impression they didn't detail the nether-regions of kids toys.
People really have that hard of a time finding screws? I've got like 800 of the things. Though, I do dismantle a lot of guns taken from enemies. The building materials I've found hardest to find are copper, fiber optics, nuclear material, and aluminium.
Though, that's only until you figure out where to buy/scavenge them them. Then it's pretty easy if you are leveled up enough to get in and out without being killed, or have a settlement developed enough that you can buy it when you need it.
All that said, I agree that the dialog system could use a LOT of work. Hope the mods can help that. Or that Bethesda can patch/update it themselves. Maybe make it at least better in the DLC.
I won't hold my breath waiting though. ;p
Otherwise, I've been having a pretty good time.
Though, that's only until you figure out where to buy/scavenge them them. Then it's pretty easy if you are leveled up enough to get in and out without being killed, or have a settlement developed enough that you can buy it when you need it.
All that said, I agree that the dialog system could use a LOT of work. Hope the mods can help that. Or that Bethesda can patch/update it themselves. Maybe make it at least better in the DLC.
I won't hold my breath waiting though. ;p
Otherwise, I've been having a pretty good time.
I played through it before it became directors cut. Definitely worth it. The combat isn't as deep as XCOM, it's more like Shadowrun Returns without the magic, but with a Fallout-esque action point system, as well as an initiative system for how often characters get their turn.Xsjadoblayde said:
RPG-wise, it's a lot like the old Fallout games, especially Fallout 1, as it's quite linear at times, especially early game(second half is much more free than the first). Similar map system to Fallout, random encounters, multiple-choice quest solutions, and unforgivingly missable stuff. (I couldn't resolve a quest the best way because an NPC triggered a trap I had missed to disarm, in a cut-scene, for example).
I think Fallout 3 had the best morality system of them all. I had fucked around a lot in that game, not really caring about morality until I did the main quest and met up with my father again. Hearing Liam Neeson say "I've heard you've done some bad things, son, I'm disappointed in you," really hit me hard. I had failed Liam Neeson, all I could do was say "sorry Liam Neeson dad" and promise to be better, and I played the rest of the game as a good guy
So it's simple, really, all you need for a good morality system is a Hollywood actor to say he's disapointed in you
So it's simple, really, all you need for a good morality system is a Hollywood actor to say he's disapointed in you
I had to freeze the video at the screen that had Yahtzee say "WHO WANTS TO PARTY?" because it was so damn funny.
What I don't get about morality in the Fallout games is that are there any flat-out "good" guys and "bad" guys? What in game history I heard makes every faction sound shady and dubious, like the Brotherhood of Steel hogging all the good tech for themselves. Some, like the Enclave, sound like it's supposed to be lampooning real-world politics and that makes me roll my eyes. I wouldn't put it past Yahtzee to declare everybody a git.
What I don't get about morality in the Fallout games is that are there any flat-out "good" guys and "bad" guys? What in game history I heard makes every faction sound shady and dubious, like the Brotherhood of Steel hogging all the good tech for themselves. Some, like the Enclave, sound like it's supposed to be lampooning real-world politics and that makes me roll my eyes. I wouldn't put it past Yahtzee to declare everybody a git.
I'm just quoting you because everybody else in this thread has.remnant_phoenix said:
OT: Yeah, I've never understood why the internet collectively creams its pants whenever Bethesda releases a new game. The only real difference I see between what Bethesda does and what Ubisoft does is that Bethesda does it to RPGs and not on an annual basis. Maybe that makes it okay?
(Before anybody gets on me for it, yes, I do think that the yearly release schedule makes a huge difference, I'm just noting that it doesn't seem to have such an impact on the final products as they relate to my interests.)
Ah ok, thanks for the info! Hopefully the director's cut fixes some of the issues experienced. XCOM is probably too deep a system to work efficiently in an RPG, so that is to be expected. Shall have to try it out over christmas.Cerebrawl said:
Well, it's still a self-righteous judgey system that yields either sex or other vague rewards. Albeit more grounded, varied and less blanketing. I consider it an improvement over old binary moral choice systems.rgrekejin said:We must be pretty hard up for Karma systems if that's the sort of thing that counts for one now and days.Xsjadoblayde said:There is a karma-ish system though, silly yahtzee! It depends what actions you perform around which non-canine companions you have in view. They judge differently based on their personality traits, which you only learn by experimenting. Did one rush through the game a little too hastily?
I knew it. I knew this would be disappointing, bland, overblown, committee-design Skyrim-meets-Minecraft half-assery with needy factions and poor companion planning, with a contrived, 'serious' main plot - IE a missing child - that you can happily discard so you can collate power armor and build a fucking town.
And now I am narcissistically proud of myself for, as a massive Fo3 fan, never giving into the hype, looking at the new title objectively, and almost never being at all interested in buying it.
And now I am narcissistically proud of myself for, as a massive Fo3 fan, never giving into the hype, looking at the new title objectively, and almost never being at all interested in buying it.
ZP videos are typically free of spoilers like that, especially ending spoilers.Michael Prymula said:
For instance, you'll notice that he didn't mention the ME3 ending in the ME3 episode of ZP. (The ME3 ending would've been Yahtzee comedy gold.)
I've always found the most succinct description of Bethesda RPGs to be -
"Wide as an ocean. Deep as a puddle."
Sure, there are a lot of places to go and things to see, but most of it is the same and there's virtually nothing to those places or things. They're tiny morsels that barely add up to a finger-food sampler. An interesting, if temporary, distraction. Not something I could sustain myself on.
I suppose that's why, to me at least, most of Beth's RPGs are little more than that. Temporary, short lived distractions.
Don't get me wrong. I understand the appeal of the series, and the love its fans have for it. It's just not an admiration I share.
"Wide as an ocean. Deep as a puddle."
Sure, there are a lot of places to go and things to see, but most of it is the same and there's virtually nothing to those places or things. They're tiny morsels that barely add up to a finger-food sampler. An interesting, if temporary, distraction. Not something I could sustain myself on.
I suppose that's why, to me at least, most of Beth's RPGs are little more than that. Temporary, short lived distractions.
Don't get me wrong. I understand the appeal of the series, and the love its fans have for it. It's just not an admiration I share.
This video leads me to conclude that Fallout fans are really easy to please. At least current Fallout fans anyway.
hint: players have to spend more than five minutes with a character in order to gain attachment to themrocker1600 said:
not to mention the weird and contrary nature of saddling your character with a spouse that they might not even be remotely involved with, kill them as some sort of crappy fridging attempt, and then just letting you do whatever the fuck you want after you wake up with whoever the fuck you want
this is why undertale, which chucks most of the strategic value of game mechanics out of the window in favor of storytelling, accomplishes more in terms of emotional development than something frontloaded with a whole bunch of neat but ultimately meaningless and distracting features that don't invest any level of player involvement beyond time
and undertale's not even that great of a game! we should be doing significantly better than that after all these years of industry development, but we're not
I'm disappointed that they made people who bought the physical copy of the PC game, download 19gb. In addition to forgetting how to write an engaging story, they forgot how physical copies of games are supposed to work.