Zero Punctuation: Fear 2
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i think NO sequels is a bit extreme - one of my favorite all time games was Prince of Persia 2: the Shadow and the Flame ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_of_Persia_2 ). i just think one person should be appointed to say "Yup, go ahead, that sequel looks like a progression of the storyline into interesting new territory" or "Nope, you're rehashing the same dross, off with his head." i nominate Yahtzee.
Just a couple of quick thoughts:
1) The review was hilarious- as usual- but I'm forced to disagree to a certain extent. You really can only be disappointed with F.E.A.R. 2 if you were actually dumb enough to expect it to be different from F.E.A.R in the first place. It's kind of like action films: you check your brain at the door and expect to be entertained by the bright flashes, loud noises, and the blood spray. If you want deep, meaningful plots and storylines, go watch a drama or a period-piece, not an action film.
Personally, I bought the game, and I'm enjoying it. Do I think it's a transcendant gaming experience? Hell no! But I've sunk about 10 hours into it so far, and that averages out to slightly under $5/hour value for my entertainment dollar, and that's usually my target these days, so I guess F.E.A.R. 2 succeeded for me. Not all games are going to be revolutionary, as much as Yahtzee may wish it to be so... and in fact, it'd kinda suck if they were, because we'd all be numb to what should be great experiences.
2) the idea of no sequels is ludicrious and pollyanna. There will be sequels, even if they don't recycle the exact specifics of character names, locales, and storyline every time. If there wasn't F.E.A.R. 2, Monolith would've made the game "S.C.A.R.E" where you chase Albert, the deranged psychic boy, through the city of Marsport on Mars-- why? The bottom line is this: The success of the first installment has shown that people will shell out money for the product, and the fundamentals of business say that a successful company will continue to exploit that until it is no longer profitable for them to do so.
It's something that isn't limited to just gaming, either. Consider this (to use an example from a different entertainment field): What was Return of the Jedi? It was a chase, followed by Lightsaber duels, followed by an epic space battle, which the good guys won. What was Episode I? It was a chase, followed by Lightsaber duels, followed by an epic space battle, which the good guys won. The revenue for RotJ was $572,700,000 in 1983 dollars. Did you really honestly think you were going to get anything different in the next installment???
Why should we expect the gaming industry have a different outlook?
1) The review was hilarious- as usual- but I'm forced to disagree to a certain extent. You really can only be disappointed with F.E.A.R. 2 if you were actually dumb enough to expect it to be different from F.E.A.R in the first place. It's kind of like action films: you check your brain at the door and expect to be entertained by the bright flashes, loud noises, and the blood spray. If you want deep, meaningful plots and storylines, go watch a drama or a period-piece, not an action film.
Personally, I bought the game, and I'm enjoying it. Do I think it's a transcendant gaming experience? Hell no! But I've sunk about 10 hours into it so far, and that averages out to slightly under $5/hour value for my entertainment dollar, and that's usually my target these days, so I guess F.E.A.R. 2 succeeded for me. Not all games are going to be revolutionary, as much as Yahtzee may wish it to be so... and in fact, it'd kinda suck if they were, because we'd all be numb to what should be great experiences.
2) the idea of no sequels is ludicrious and pollyanna. There will be sequels, even if they don't recycle the exact specifics of character names, locales, and storyline every time. If there wasn't F.E.A.R. 2, Monolith would've made the game "S.C.A.R.E" where you chase Albert, the deranged psychic boy, through the city of Marsport on Mars-- why? The bottom line is this: The success of the first installment has shown that people will shell out money for the product, and the fundamentals of business say that a successful company will continue to exploit that until it is no longer profitable for them to do so.
It's something that isn't limited to just gaming, either. Consider this (to use an example from a different entertainment field): What was Return of the Jedi? It was a chase, followed by Lightsaber duels, followed by an epic space battle, which the good guys won. What was Episode I? It was a chase, followed by Lightsaber duels, followed by an epic space battle, which the good guys won. The revenue for RotJ was $572,700,000 in 1983 dollars. Did you really honestly think you were going to get anything different in the next installment???
Why should we expect the gaming industry have a different outlook?
right, the entire existence of the sequel is for the game developers to have more money, about now I'm sure your conspiracy theorist alarm is buzzing off, but when did fandom have decent rewards? At this point I'd like to point out Sonic the Hedgehog fans have been waiting for a good game for ages just to have their favorite blue pest reduced to little more than a gimmick behind 14 or so other anthropomorphic critters that are only mentioned in there comic series/television series/movie (in the future?), and now is being constantly ripped off by developers other than Sega.
As you can probably tell, I have unresolved anger towards the sonic series and if I ever meet a member of the sonic team in real life I will have to resist the constant urge to rip their head off their gelatinous, fan-neglecting, sequel-making body.
As you can probably tell, I have unresolved anger towards the sonic series and if I ever meet a member of the sonic team in real life I will have to resist the constant urge to rip their head off their gelatinous, fan-neglecting, sequel-making body.
A world without Sequels means that portal would not exist because its a spiritual sequel to Naculbar(that correct?)DropPLabrozzi said:
Made by the same people and everything
and even if that wasnt valid it would still mean no portal2
but would also mean that all the portal fanboys on YouTube will stop hatting me(because i said something dreadful bout', there being no portal2[fucking fanboys
]) and said that there was only going to be an expansion pack for portal and that was all.oh on that, does the world with no sequels include no expansion packs,(cause if the world wasnt in madness already from there being no portal2)then god yahtzee's mind must be co-owner of a bar run by satin... and satin and yahtzee's mind are smoking pot.
Dear The Escapist,
please stop giving ZP total and utter over-priced franshised tripe to review - let him weep with the rest of the grown men who've reviewed FLOWER (that $10 girly art poem from Sony PSN). Let the 'experience' sooth the savage ZP breast.
Flower [http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2008/12/ps3-flower-thatgamecompany.html] in case you've been asleep for a millennia.
please stop giving ZP total and utter over-priced franshised tripe to review - let him weep with the rest of the grown men who've reviewed FLOWER (that $10 girly art poem from Sony PSN). Let the 'experience' sooth the savage ZP breast.
Flower [http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2008/12/ps3-flower-thatgamecompany.html] in case you've been asleep for a millennia.
i agree with you there. some of them are really good like max payne 2 for exsample. with halo is a different story, it still tells more about the story with few new things in it.
some are really crap, i agree. with fear 2 at least it tells more about the story. they just added new things in to it which i fid good. at least it dint had the same stuff as in the add ons and the same level designe.
i know that every one has different tastes but saying surton things that every has to agree with is in a way wrong.
some are really crap, i agree. with fear 2 at least it tells more about the story. they just added new things in to it which i fid good. at least it dint had the same stuff as in the add ons and the same level designe.
i know that every one has different tastes but saying surton things that every has to agree with is in a way wrong.
See, I can't agree with a world with no sequels.
You see, one of the prime imperatives with any story, no matter how complete in seeming, is the desire to find out what happens next. Without some copout like "and they all lived happily ever after" on every single story (which anyone beyond the age of about five will see right through anyway), the irresistible desire to know what happens next will only lead to one thing.
Fanfiction. A soul destroying, reality warping glut of fanfiction, which will collapse into a super-black-hole of creative nothingness, destroying all that is pure and good forever.
DO YOU WANT THAT!?
You see, one of the prime imperatives with any story, no matter how complete in seeming, is the desire to find out what happens next. Without some copout like "and they all lived happily ever after" on every single story (which anyone beyond the age of about five will see right through anyway), the irresistible desire to know what happens next will only lead to one thing.
Fanfiction. A soul destroying, reality warping glut of fanfiction, which will collapse into a super-black-hole of creative nothingness, destroying all that is pure and good forever.
DO YOU WANT THAT!?
world with out sequels?
when and where coz i am there.
fear 1 was crap i found it too easy and how was it scary?
it was as scary as a park full of children...........not scary at all.
when and where coz i am there.
fear 1 was crap i found it too easy and how was it scary?
it was as scary as a park full of children...........not scary at all.
...Huh?
Okay, that does it, Yahtzee. Screaming "FUCKING CLOSURE!" at the top of your voice is NOT why i watch ZP. I originally started watching because hearing (and partially seeing) games getting curb-stomped by cold, British-accented arrogance was tons of fun. If I want to hear angry gamers, i go to Gametrailers and watch AVGN. Really. Please, bring back the good ol' ZP style that made reviews such as Halo 3, The Witcher and Painkiller so funny.
Okay, that does it, Yahtzee. Screaming "FUCKING CLOSURE!" at the top of your voice is NOT why i watch ZP. I originally started watching because hearing (and partially seeing) games getting curb-stomped by cold, British-accented arrogance was tons of fun. If I want to hear angry gamers, i go to Gametrailers and watch AVGN. Really. Please, bring back the good ol' ZP style that made reviews such as Halo 3, The Witcher and Painkiller so funny.
